staleystarch wrote:Having lived through the Ditka era I don't buy the Bears culture meme. It was "Bears Culture" that started the shredding of that team. If a staff can't handle a character or two the staff is the problem. That is not the same as losing the team the way the Emery/Trestman crew did, but there does need to be
I never said “Bears Culture.” I’m referring to a Winning Culture. For the record, I thought Mike Ditka was the biggest joke of a Head Coach that ever was. I too, lived in Chicago through the Ditka era and I remember Ditka’s ineptitude. Doug Flutie in the playoffs. The regular fail of the Dennis Gentry Draw Play. The shouting matches with Dexter Manley. Mike Ditka was a joke and still is. His coaching record when he left Chicago proves it. That the 1980’s Bears only won one SB is a further testament. These teams were all about Buddy Ryan’s defense and when Buddy left, Ditka couldn’t get it done.
(For the record, Ditka won 6 playoff games in 14 years as a head coach -- and three of them were in the SB year.)
Umbali wrote:High character guys doesnt mean winning is a given. You can have high character guys that arent that good at football and it just means that they lose without having drama. Heck I am a high character guy but you dont want me on your football team lol
I never argued that high-character alone is enough – that would be asinine. But talent WITHOUT character won’t win you very much either – certainly not sustainably. We’ve seen MANY teams that were highly talented but had no character -- and they fail miserably. The Cubs were the most talented team in the league last year – but when it came down to the wire - extra innings and a rain delay, the CHARACTER and (winning) CULTURE of that team is what put them over the top.
UOK wrote: ... The Bears don't have a dedication to excellence from ownership & upper management, nor will they get the opportunity to rebuild/restore their esteem until the current brass is replaced by actual football and business savvy.
I hear people screaming about the McCaskeys this and Ted Phillips that, yet I see a team that:
1) Cleaned house and retained a respected Football Man as a consultant to assist them in making the right choices.
2) Hired a respected, up-and-coming executive as GM -- one who had nothing to do with previous Bears regimes
3) Hired a respected, veteran coach to lead the transition
This is a rebuild and we’re 2.5 years through it. The last 2 years were ugly and necessarily so. Cleaning this crap out takes time and along the way Pace was saddled with Cutler’s contact as well as a crazy injury situation. Even then it still takes time.
For a recent example, look at what the Raiders have been doing. By all indications, Reggie McKenzie has turned it around and has done so in a sustainable way -- but check out his record:
Oakland Raiders under Reggie McKenzie
2012: 4-12
2013: 4-12
2014: 3-13
2015: 7-9
2016: 12-4
Look familiar?
TL;DR: What the Bears need to do, they are doing. They need to rebuild everything including establishing the right culture. It’s not going to happen overnight but they’re going about it the right way. And BTW, please stop using Ted Phillips as the whipping boy.