A lot depends on how you define production. I went with Shaheen as he'll be a red zone threat if nothing else. I think he'll have more TD's (3 or 4?) and receiving yards than Cohen just because of opportunity. I doubt Jackson has the same number of interceptions.
Of course, if Trubisky gets in it had better be him.
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I'll go with Tanner Gentry.
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The question was draft picks. But if you're going to include the undrafteds, I'll take Andy Phillips.Atkins&Rebel wrote:I'll go with Tanner Gentry.
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I don't think Daniel Brown will make the team. They signed a TE on the first day of free agency and drafted one in the second round. That doesn't really scream "we're happy with what we have now." I see Zach as starter for one more year, Dion the blocker, Adam the grooming, and Bronk the deep threat.G08 wrote:If Daniel Brown continues to perform, I could see Miller getting traded or even cut. Not that he deserves any of it, but such is life in the NFL.wetz wrote:I'm throwing in with Cohen. It seems pretty likely for him to be the punt returner and if he can provide a little pass protection indications are he'll be in a lot on third downs.
If Zach Miller isn't on the 53, then Shaheen could emerge as the winner.
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Bringing in 1 TE says "hedging against health". Bringing in 2 says to me "thanks, and good luck".G08 wrote:If Daniel Brown continues to perform, I could see Miller getting traded or even cut. Not that he deserves any of it, but such is life in the NFL.wetz wrote:I'm throwing in with Cohen. It seems pretty likely for him to be the punt returner and if he can provide a little pass protection indications are he'll be in a lot on third downs.
If Zach Miller isn't on the 53, then Shaheen could emerge as the winner.
I'll be surprised if he's back.
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Let's see, choices are:
1) QB with 13 games experience behind a new QB making ~14M
2) Blocking TE* behind a blocking TE, jumping up from DII
4) 4th rounder not fully recovered from injury
4) midget 4th rounder
5) DII player making partial position change
*) rookie kicker
* Yeah, he was a great receiving weapon in DII, but the speed and agility numbers don't project encouragingly for that at the NFL level
I guess I give a slight edge to Cohen.
But anyone could take it...because it's probably going to take very, very little to be the top contributor.
1) QB with 13 games experience behind a new QB making ~14M
2) Blocking TE* behind a blocking TE, jumping up from DII
4) 4th rounder not fully recovered from injury
4) midget 4th rounder
5) DII player making partial position change
*) rookie kicker
* Yeah, he was a great receiving weapon in DII, but the speed and agility numbers don't project encouragingly for that at the NFL level
I guess I give a slight edge to Cohen.
But anyone could take it...because it's probably going to take very, very little to be the top contributor.
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Trubisky.
I see Glennon being injured or incredibly ineffective by mid-season and he gets the start.
I see Glennon being injured or incredibly ineffective by mid-season and he gets the start.
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i absolutely agree with G08 here. Everything the team's been doing would point to continuing to bank on brown's potential vs. an aging, oft injured vet. and i really like miller quite a bit! but it seems weird given the obvious direction we've been hurtling in the last two years, to think that miller is a lock and the young UDFA who showed some flashes last year is hitting the street.Moriarty wrote:Bringing in 1 TE says "hedging against health". Bringing in 2 says to me "thanks, and good luck".G08 wrote:If Daniel Brown continues to perform, I could see Miller getting traded or even cut. Not that he deserves any of it, but such is life in the NFL.wetz wrote:I'm throwing in with Cohen. It seems pretty likely for him to be the punt returner and if he can provide a little pass protection indications are he'll be in a lot on third downs.
If Zach Miller isn't on the 53, then Shaheen could emerge as the winner.
I'll be surprised if he's back.
it's not even that i think brown is a lock, i just am super skeptical that miller will be on the roster week 1.
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For the record, I really liked this draft. My only complaint (and it's a significant one) is that there isn't a single day one starter among them.
And I guess that's kind of my overall complaint about how Pace drafts...he takes an awful lot of situational players and few guys that can play every down.
And I guess that's kind of my overall complaint about how Pace drafts...he takes an awful lot of situational players and few guys that can play every down.
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At this point it has to be Adam Shaheen for me for the following reasons:
Eddie Jackson would be more of a contender for me, given the paucity of talent at safety, if he had been a full participant in the offseason program, but he's being eased back slowly from his broken leg. Fox is so conservative I expect him to go with Amos, at least initially. If Jackson shows starter potential then it's less likely that he'll be asked to field punts given that it was on a return that he broke his leg last year.
Tarik Cohen may be an exciting player to watch, but at 5'6 and 180lbs he's not going to be spelling Howard when he needs a breather. He'll have to have a package of plays specifically designed for him and that means he won't see the field for more than a handful of snaps a game at best.
Jordan Morgan is unlikely to make the 53. The team has too much talent on the interior and he's very raw, so it's much more likely that he'll wind up on the practice squad.
- He's a pass catching TE whose blocking needs work. Miller is really the only other pass catching TE, he has an unfortunate injury history and a lot of posters here have doubts about whether he will even make the roster.
Given the Bears situation (new QBs, quality RB, lacklustre WR corps etc.) most expect the Bears to be a run first team and use a lot of two TE sets so there's plenty of potential for him to get on the field.
He's a big red zone target who caught a lot of TDs in college, albeit not at the highest level. He may or may not get a lot of receptions, but I expect him to get a few TDs because of this. The red zone offense was awful last year and that was with Jeffery. I don't see any of the current WRs being better options.
He's been getting reps with the first team during OTAs and Mini Camp.
Eddie Jackson would be more of a contender for me, given the paucity of talent at safety, if he had been a full participant in the offseason program, but he's being eased back slowly from his broken leg. Fox is so conservative I expect him to go with Amos, at least initially. If Jackson shows starter potential then it's less likely that he'll be asked to field punts given that it was on a return that he broke his leg last year.
Tarik Cohen may be an exciting player to watch, but at 5'6 and 180lbs he's not going to be spelling Howard when he needs a breather. He'll have to have a package of plays specifically designed for him and that means he won't see the field for more than a handful of snaps a game at best.
Jordan Morgan is unlikely to make the 53. The team has too much talent on the interior and he's very raw, so it's much more likely that he'll wind up on the practice squad.
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Jackson said he's 100% healed and that Fox wanted him to take it easy until Training Camp.
I hope the kid starts opposite Demps, I really do.
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I hope he at least takes the nickle job from HJQ. It would be nice if the Bears are able field a nice quality trio of safeties again at some point in my lifetime.G08 wrote:Jackson said he's 100% healed and that Fox wanted him to take it easy until Training Camp.
I hope the kid starts opposite Demps, I really do.
I like Jackson a lot. I don't like Demps as much as a lot of people do, but I get the signing. It would be great if Jackson, Amos, and Bush could be those guys in the future (and I know everyone hates Bush for some reason).
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Truthfully, I still am not a fan of Deon Bush because of that blown coverage against Green Bay. Not fair to hold it against a rookie, but I am at this point.wab wrote:Hey Oh!G08 wrote:I've preferred shaved since I was in high school...wab wrote:(and I know everyone hates Bush for some reason).
Demps is a proven veteran that recognizes routes and knows how to get his defense lined up properly. Eddie Jackson, by all accounts, was that type of presence in Alabama's secondary. Putting him next to Demps allows him to lean on a veteran a bit while still learning the NFL game.
My only concern is his size and, IMO, "fear" of sticking his nose in support. Dude shies away from contact.
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I went with Shaheen because of the red zone opportunities and targets he'll receive in general. I think Miller will be traded or cut (most likely cut) before the season starts leaving Sims and Shaheen as the primary two TE's. Even though Shaheen's 40 yard dash and agility drills weren't great for an NFL TE - he still plays faster in pads IMO. I think he'll be able to create separation and use his size to his advantage against NFL safeties and LB's trying to cover him. Without a proven WR target, I can see Shaheen being a security blanket for Glennon early on - especially since they're both 6'6.
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See. You and I stuck up for Conte through alllllll of the bad, including a blown coverage against Green Bay. I feel like I've seen some flashes in him that give me hope.G08 wrote:Truthfully, I still am not a fan of Deon Bush because of that blown coverage against Green Bay. Not fair to hold it against a rookie, but I am at this point.wab wrote:Hey Oh!G08 wrote:I've preferred shaved since I was in high school...wab wrote:(and I know everyone hates Bush for some reason).
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I was with you on Conte, not because I thought he was great--he certainly wasn't--but because he was SO reviled that fans seriously undervalued him, IMO. Deon Bush... Not so much. :-pwab wrote:See. You and I stuck up for Conte through alllllll of the bad, including a blown coverage against Green Bay. I feel like I've seen some flashes in him that give me hope.G08 wrote:Truthfully, I still am not a fan of Deon Bush because of that blown coverage against Green Bay. Not fair to hold it against a rookie, but I am at this point.wab wrote:Hey Oh!G08 wrote:I've preferred shaved since I was in high school...wab wrote:(and I know everyone hates Bush for some reason).
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I'll disagree and go with Eddie Jackson as a starting safety on opening day ... he is fully healed from his broken leg and is opening many eyes so farwab wrote:For the record, I really liked this draft. My only complaint (and it's a significant one) is that there isn't a single day one starter among them.
I know it's early, but I have no doubt he is the real deal
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When I posted this, his health and readiness was still fairly uncertain.Boris13c wrote:I'll disagree and go with Eddie Jackson as a starting safety on opening day ... he is fully healed from his broken leg and is opening many eyes so farwab wrote:For the record, I really liked this draft. My only complaint (and it's a significant one) is that there isn't a single day one starter among them.
I know it's early, but I have no doubt he is the real deal
But...I also voted for Jackson.
wab wrote:I'm going with Jackson. Aside from Demps, there isn't much standing in his way from seeing the field a lot, assuming his leg is fine of course.
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wab wrote:When I posted this, his health and readiness was still fairly uncertain.Boris13c wrote:I'll disagree and go with Eddie Jackson as a starting safety on opening day ... he is fully healed from his broken leg and is opening many eyes so farwab wrote:For the record, I really liked this draft. My only complaint (and it's a significant one) is that there isn't a single day one starter among them.
I know it's early, but I have no doubt he is the real deal
But...I also voted for Jackson.
wab wrote:I'm going with Jackson. Aside from Demps, there isn't much standing in his way from seeing the field a lot, assuming his leg is fine of course.
Yes you did ... I put him as a close second behind Cohen.
Now I think he is going to exceed Cohen because he will be a starter and Cohen won't.
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From all I've been hearing, Shaheen seems like the runaway winner to be. But games have yet to be played.
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I'm giving Jackson the edge over Shaheen based on punt return skills.
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I would definitely say, Shaheen. He is really the only one that I can see getting a lot of playing time. If the Bears really are committed to Glennon, it Wont be Trubisky. Cohen will be overshadowed by Howard it seems too. I think that Adam Shaheen has a real opportunity to become the starting TE especially after what he has been displaying in Training camp. We might just see Zach Miller get traded.
Behind him i think that Tanner Gentry a UDFA this year has a legitimate chance of making an impact on the team.
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Here is a link to an interesting article I read this morning. Looks, like the next step for Fangio is to see how Jackson tackles in the preseason games. At least that is my take.wab wrote:I'm going with Jackson. Aside from Demps, there isn't much standing in his way from seeing the field a lot, assuming his leg is fine of course.
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