9.17.17 // LOSS - Bears 7, Bucs 29
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The first pick was just as bad, IMO....considering he had a WIDE open Shaheen in the flat and didn't even look in his direction.
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most QB's look like their head is on a swivel as they go through their progression ... Glennon locks on, stays locked on and staring, then throws where he has been staring ... I'm shocked Tampa only had 2 picks
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I'm amazed that pigeons are not coming down to sit on Glennon's head and shoulders when he slowly so slowly moves back in the pocket.Boris13c wrote:most QB's look like their head is on a swivel as they go through their progression ... Glennon locks on, stays locked on and staring, then throws where he has been staring ... I'm shocked Tampa only had 2 picks
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Totally agree with some of you who stated that Cohen is getting too many reps and messing up Howards game. IF he is that badly hurt, stop putting him out there and let him rest up. If he isn't, start using Cohen more as a wr, since he can apparently run those routes, and then hand-off to him as needed to mix things up.
On the other hand, Cohen is the ONLY thing that looks like he has some electricity in him so I get Loggains wanting to use him.
On the other hand, Cohen is the ONLY thing that looks like he has some electricity in him so I get Loggains wanting to use him.
I'm confused. He probably wasn't the first read. The Smokescreen can't be expected to progress to a second read, can he? Nobody expects that of NFL quarterbacks. Plus, his vision is probably compromised with the lack of oxygen at his elevation.DaSuperfan wrote:The first pick was just as bad, IMO....considering he had a WIDE open Shaheen in the flat and didn't even look in his direction.
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And then his heart has to pump that oxygenated blood up that long neck up to his brain.BR0D1E86 wrote: Plus, his vision is probably compromised with the lack of oxygen at his elevation.
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Boris13c wrote:most QB's look like their head is on a swivel as they go through their progression ... Glennon locks on, stays locked on and staring, then throws where he has been staring ... I'm shocked Tampa only had 2 picks
Someone mentioned it in the chat room during the game. So I started watching him. Absolutely never got off of his first read. Most of those were to the left, and subsequently, I think he threw to the right side of the field like four or five times the whole game. It was horrible.
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I'm with you guys. I think Howard is genuinely hacked off with the way he's been used so far. I mean this the guy who finished second in the league in rushing last season despite not starting the first few games, averaged over 5 yards a carry and went to the Pro Bowl. So far this season he's had just 22 carries in two games and keeps getting brought off the field for a 5'6 180lb rookie denying him the chance to get any momentum going. Teams are stacking the box and the blocking up front has been poor so his production is down too. He must have gone into the season expecting to be the main man on offense so how frustrating must all this be for him? I think we saw evidence of that late in the game when he absolutely levelled blitzers on back-to-back plays. It can't have done his shoulder much good but it was the highlight of the game on offense!wab wrote:His offensive line is also terrible, so there's that. I hate being right sometimes.G08 wrote:He doesn't seem to be running with the same decisiveness/power that he did last year. I know his shoulder is banged up, but something else seems off...
Also, he's kind of a rhythm runner, and they are giving Cohen too many snaps (in my opinion) and it's throwing everything off.
The stink's so bad I would have thought it carries even all the way down there!BR0D1E86 wrote:Also I live in Colorado, so it's pretty easy to ignore the Bears when I want to.
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Bears' Mike Glennon mistake right on schedule in dragging down franchise
his pass to Miller, well short of the first down marker, is a very true indicator of the seeming total lack of situational awareness
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It was always going to get this bad for the Bears at quarterback in 2017, and it was always going to get bad this fast. There were no real delusions about how bad it would get, and when.
The Mike Glennon Mistake was going to reach up and drag the Bears down eventually.
The disaster that happened in Tampa on Sunday is what most expected to happen in Chicago a week earlier against the Falcons. Even with all the things that went wrong to cost the Bears that game, Glennon did nothing to inspire confidence that the Bears’ brain trust had made the right decision throwing $19 million at him and handing him the starting job.
The 29-7 shellacking by the Buccaneers, a game that was a gruesome shutout until the final 1:43, was just a matter of time. And it reminded all that, because of that decision, more than all the other bad ones, everybody is on the clock. Glennon, coach John Fox and general manager Ryan Pace are all living on borrowed time. Or they should be.
Even ending the Glennon experiment right now, and rushing to Mitchell Trubisky in Week 3 of his rookie year, isn't going to change that. (After the game, Fox said that will not happen, anyway, and that Glennon is still his starter.)
Whenever it does happen, though, that will only be a more vivid reminder of how bad the Bears botched the most important decision the franchise had to make.
You’re tempted to say this is not Glennon’s fault, because if some team is willing to hand that kind of money, and the job, over to someone who brought as little to the table as he did, why wouldn't he fight back his laugh and sign?
But at some point, Glennon does have to prove he deserved to hold one of the 32 starting jobs, and he’s failed at that, spectacularly so against his old Bucs team in his old stadium.
On the other hand, how many more chances does he deserve after these two debacles?
Glennon could have been pulled after the Bears’ third offensive possession of the day resulted in their — his — third offensive turnover. (That doesn’t count the muffed punt by Tarik Cohen, just to show how contagious it was.) This one was Glennon’s second interception, telegraphed right to Robert McClain and returned 47 yards for a touchdown to put the Bucs ahead 23-0.
But give him the benefit of the doubt and fight off the knee-jerk reaction, right?
Well, fast-forward to the fourth quarter, when it was 29-0. The Bears had made a rare trip into the red zone, and Glennon's teammates had failed to help him by dropping two passes in one series of downs. On fourth-and-10 at the Bucs' 14-yard line, Glennon threw to tight end Zach Miller … crossing underneath, 5 yards short of the first down. It was incomplete. It didn’t matter.
The hopelessness on display in that play was breathtaking. Glennon, the offense, the coaches, the entire team, don’t even get credit for rolling the dice, gunslinging, saving face by shooting their shot. One would swear they were tanking, except they spent and maneuvered as if they were trying to win now, take a leap, speed up the rebuild so that it wouldn't be so painful.
It's painful.
his pass to Miller, well short of the first down marker, is a very true indicator of the seeming total lack of situational awareness
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I hate how these hack writers lump Pace and Fox in together. They aren't going to fire Pace.
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wab wrote:I hate how these hack writers lump Pace and Fox in together. They aren't going to fire Pace.
I certainly don't think so either
but what if Pace insists on extending Fox rather than firing him?
don't know the actual odds of that ... and still don't know if Fox being hired in the first place was Pace's independent decision as GM or if he was directed to as some stories implied ... but if Fox is/was Pace's guy, how strong of a tether is that?
this is one time I would really like to have some real information rather than everyone's guesswork (which includes ours) ... but that simply isn't going to happen unfortunately, nor do I expect that it should
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Nope. Pace is going to get another hire. He's been far from perfect in cleaning up the dumpster fire he inherited, but I like a fair bit of what he's done. It's not enough, obviously, but he's done a decent amount of good.wab wrote:I hate how these hack writers lump Pace and Fox in together. They aren't going to fire Pace.
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Final: Bears 7, Buccaneers 29
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Malk criticized but wouldn't play
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RING4CHI 6-38 182
Otis Day 13-20 342
G08 17-24 350
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Wait, what is this? How does scoring work?Middleguard wrote:Final: Bears 7, Buccaneers 29
UOK 10-23 126 take this guy to the bank
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DaSuperfan 20-17 938
Atkins&Rebel 17-14 950
Boris13c 23-20 962
Funkster 24-20 1046
VA_Mountain_Bear 27-24 1050
Bears Whiskey Nut 24-17 1274
Richie 24-16 1358
pus 30-20 1634
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Adipost 108 hrs after UOK
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I was wondering the same.
Mikefive's theory: The only time you KNOW that a sports team player, coach or management member is being 100% honest is when they're NOT reciting "the company line".
Go back to leather helmets, NFL.
Go back to leather helmets, NFL.
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deviation from Bears' score squared +
deviation from opponent's score squared +
deviation from final margin squared
exactly right = 0
one team a point high or low = 2
both teams a point high or a point low = 2
one team a point high and the other a point low = 6
deviation from opponent's score squared +
deviation from final margin squared
exactly right = 0
one team a point high or low = 2
both teams a point high or a point low = 2
one team a point high and the other a point low = 6
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very niceMiddleguard wrote:deviation from Bears' score squared +
deviation from opponent's score squared +
deviation from final margin squared
exactly right = 0
one team a point high or low = 2
both teams a point high or a point low = 2
one team a point high and the other a point low = 6
now go change your screen name to Sheldon
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This was on reddit, made me giggle...
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lol