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 Post subject: Re: Roster Moves
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:20 pm 
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A stud center? Really?

Whitehair, who'd never played the position in college and was only moved across one week before the first regular season game last year, graded out as the sixth best center in the league last year according to PFF. Aside from a few dodgy snaps early on he certainly looked the part. He hasn't played as well this year, in particular those shotgun snaps have remained an issue, but he hasn't been helped as a young developing player still getting used to the position by being shunted around during training camp and the first few games in an attempt to accommodate Long's unavailability. Remember, if Kush hadn't been lost for the year before the season even started this wouldn't have happened.

The idea we need to replace Whitehair at center is odd to say the least. Pace drafted Grasu only a couple of years ago and then Whitehair turned out to be effective when Grasu got hurt and Pace managed to acquire a Pro Bowl guard in Sitton. You can't build a team if you keep regularly redrafting positions and center simply isn't a significant concern at this point.

As for the offensive line being old, I'm with Mikefive; O-lineman can still play at a high level well into their thirties. There is also no guarantee that first-year linemen would remain any more healthy than the veterans. Aside from Long, the starting five for the last season and a half have missed very few games. Leno and Whitehair haven't missed any, Massie has only missed one and Sitton four.

Continuity is a massive consideration and I for one don't want a lot change across the positions from one year to the next. As has been pointed out, all five starters are under contract for next season plus Kush should be back from his injury and is also under contract for another year and Morgan was taken in the last draft. The interior group looks fine for now and will be even better if Long's ankle and labarum injuries can be fully healed up before next season.

A quality OT prospect wouldn't go amiss though to compete for either tackle position. It's worth noting that Leno's contract is structured in such a way that he can be let go after next year with no real penalty (in 2019 $4.3 million is guaranteed for injury only and the full $7.9 million only becomes fully guaranteed on the third day of league year) and Massie only has one year left on his deal.

However, this roster still has much more pressing needs at WR, OLB and CB although the latter could be mitigated if Pace is able to re-sign Fuller, Amukamara and Callahan who have all been playing very well.

It seems to me that Pace has done a very good job at rebuilding the roster and if it wasn't for the WR position, hurt enormously by White not panning out, there are not now any glaring holes. Address WR and Pace should be able to draft the best player available at any position in order to elevate the roster still further.

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 Post subject: Re: Roster Moves
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:13 pm 
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Maybe I should have added more of an explanation.

Whitehair is a guard. Who did great at center last season and I'm not exactly saying to replace him.

My reasoning is this, if you draft a C you help two positions and protect the team if injuries come up. I have as much faith with whitehair at G as I do at C... That said, you have the options. Sitton has been healthy this season but you never know. Long has been getting dinged up the last few seasons and I'm not sold on him being able to stay healthy.

It's not a knock on whitehair, it's actually more the faith in him as a player. If you want to go RT, sure. I'm just saying I'm all for getting a high rated lineman either way. Though I wouldn't go guard because a C gives you options.

Like I said, too many things can happen between then and now. We don't have a clue who will be there, much less where the Bears will be drafting.


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 Post subject: Re: Roster Moves
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Boris13c wrote:
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TE Ben Braunecker promoted to active roster.


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Keeping 4 made some sense, given Brown would likely be stolen off PS.
But Braunecker is clearly safe there. And no one needs 4 healthy TEs.

How is this more of a priority than, say, a OLman who doesn't look like he's wearing a Mummy Halloween costume?




I'm cynical enough to think the Bears simply forgot that just because a TE is who went to IR doesn't mean a TE has to be brought in to replace him :frustrated:



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 Post subject: Re: Roster Moves
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RustyTrubisky wrote:
Boris13c wrote:
Moriarty wrote:
UOK wrote:
TE Ben Braunecker promoted to active roster.


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Keeping 4 made some sense, given Brown would likely be stolen off PS.
But Braunecker is clearly safe there. And no one needs 4 healthy TEs.

How is this more of a priority than, say, a OLman who doesn't look like he's wearing a Mummy Halloween costume?




I'm cynical enough to think the Bears simply forgot that just because a TE is who went to IR doesn't mean a TE has to be brought in to replace him :frustrated:



Patrick Finley‏ @patrickfinley

With Dion Sims out with an illness, the #Bears' TE depth could be tested Sunday vs #Packers. Adam Shaheen and Daniel Brown are ready


He's officially ruled out... already? With an illness? Jeez man. Does he have Mono or something?

I guess I like Brown though, so it's not the end of the world. This is where the TE depth pays off, I do suppose.

I am FAR more worried about Trevathan not practicing with a calf injury. Coming off of a bye week, and a game that I don't remember him leaving (maybe I am mistaken). That's really catching me off guard, and scaring the hell out of me. Him being out was directly correlated with our Minnesota loss, and McKinnon running well once Timu went out. The only way I see us not dominating GB defensively, is some stupid shit like this.


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 Post subject: Re: Roster Moves
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:10 am 
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Final report should come out today... but I selfishly hope Sims is out.

I want Shaheen to be TE1 and Brown to be TE2... let's see what these kids can do.

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 Post subject: Re: Roster Moves
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:14 am 
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WR and OL is 1a and 1b imo.... whoever they like better.
1a is obvious. But 1b absolutely MUST be CB. How much do you like that position with starters Amukamara and Fuller going to FA?

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 Post subject: Re: Roster Moves
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:16 am 
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Richie wrote:
RustyTrubisky wrote:
Boris13c wrote:
Moriarty wrote:
UOK wrote:
TE Ben Braunecker promoted to active roster.


:sick:
Keeping 4 made some sense, given Brown would likely be stolen off PS.
But Braunecker is clearly safe there. And no one needs 4 healthy TEs.

How is this more of a priority than, say, a OLman who doesn't look like he's wearing a Mummy Halloween costume?




I'm cynical enough to think the Bears simply forgot that just because a TE is who went to IR doesn't mean a TE has to be brought in to replace him :frustrated:



Patrick Finley‏ @patrickfinley

With Dion Sims out with an illness, the #Bears' TE depth could be tested Sunday vs #Packers. Adam Shaheen and Daniel Brown are ready


He's officially ruled out... already? With an illness? Jeez man. Does he have Mono or something?

I guess I like Brown though, so it's not the end of the world. This is where the TE depth pays off, I do suppose.

I am FAR more worried about Trevathan not practicing with a calf injury. Coming off of a bye week, and a game that I don't remember him leaving (maybe I am mistaken). That's really catching me off guard, and scaring the hell out of me. Him being out was directly correlated with our Minnesota loss, and McKinnon running well once Timu went out. The only way I see us not dominating GB defensively, is some stupid shit like this.
We do have Kwiatkoski, who's been a healthy scratch for the last couple weeks since Jones has been playing well.

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 Post subject: Re: Roster Moves
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:19 am 
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G08 wrote:
Final report should come out today... but I selfishly hope Sims is out.

I want Shaheen to be TE1 and Brown to be TE2... let's see what these kids can do.
Be careful what you wish for. The Bears knew that Miller was getting older and could ride off into the sunset at season end as his contract was up. So if Shaheen was capable, he'd be taking reps away from Miller already if he was capable. My money says he's not and Daniel Brown will get most of the passing game stuff.

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 Post subject: Re: Roster Moves
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:50 am 
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Mikefive wrote:
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Final report should come out today... but I selfishly hope Sims is out.

I want Shaheen to be TE1 and Brown to be TE2... let's see what these kids can do.
Be careful what you wish for. The Bears knew that Miller was getting older and could ride off into the sunset at season end as his contract was up. So if Shaheen was capable, he'd be taking reps away from Miller already if he was capable. My money says he's not and Daniel Brown will get most of the passing game stuff.


I get your logic, but Miller is (was) the best receiving option on our roster, TE/WR/RB, so you needed him to get reps with a young QB.

The older I get, the more I realize that I love watching young players develop compared to the final product. I'm sure that's a big part of why I want this youth movement on offense started.

I'm also choosing to adopt Tre McBride as my favorite Bear Project this season.

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 Post subject: Re: Roster Moves
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Mikefive wrote:
Richie wrote:
RustyTrubisky wrote:
Boris13c wrote:
Moriarty wrote:
UOK wrote:
TE Ben Braunecker promoted to active roster.


:sick:
Keeping 4 made some sense, given Brown would likely be stolen off PS.
But Braunecker is clearly safe there. And no one needs 4 healthy TEs.

How is this more of a priority than, say, a OLman who doesn't look like he's wearing a Mummy Halloween costume?




I'm cynical enough to think the Bears simply forgot that just because a TE is who went to IR doesn't mean a TE has to be brought in to replace him :frustrated:


Patrick Finley‏ @patrickfinley

With Dion Sims out with an illness, the #Bears' TE depth could be tested Sunday vs #Packers. Adam Shaheen and Daniel Brown are ready


He's officially ruled out... already? With an illness? Jeez man. Does he have Mono or something?

I guess I like Brown though, so it's not the end of the world. This is where the TE depth pays off, I do suppose.

I am FAR more worried about Trevathan not practicing with a calf injury. Coming off of a bye week, and a game that I don't remember him leaving (maybe I am mistaken). That's really catching me off guard, and scaring the hell out of me. Him being out was directly correlated with our Minnesota loss, and McKinnon running well once Timu went out. The only way I see us not dominating GB defensively, is some stupid shit like this.
We do have Kwiatkoski, who's been a healthy scratch for the last couple weeks since Jones has been playing well.


I mean, Kwiatkoski is solid, but he's not Trevathan. Trevathan is also our signal caller on defense. He's pretty damn important. IMO. Been playing damn well since that stupid suspension.


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