Roster Moves

[docc]

Very hard to beat these stellar dumps.. Enis, McNown, Benson

[Boris13c]

Very hard to beat these stellar dumps.. Enis, McNown, Benson

Enis was psychotic but had some redeeming value ... McClown and Benson not even a little bit

[PlumBear]

Very hard to beat these stellar dumps.. Enis, McNown, Benson

Enis was psychotic but had some redeeming value ... McClown and Benson not even a little bit

While Benson was a huge disappointment, I gotta say the dude is a blast in person. My wife had him practically rolling on the ground laughing, and he was great with my 11 year old son.

[Moriarty]

I do not remember a 1st round pick as bad as Kevin White. I remember Enis, McNown, Benson, Stan Thomas, and the list goes on and I think White is the worst. I know it's subjective and I'm not expecting any of you to agree with me, but that's what I think.

White has contributed zero.

McNown had negative contribution.

[DaSuperfan]

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Bears waive Tre McBride

Posted by Charean Williams on November 28, 2017, 4:14 PM EST



Mitchell Trubisky targeted Tre McBride six times in Sunday’s loss to the Eagles — Yes, the obvious question is: Why? — and McBride caught only two passes for 20 yards.

The Bears waived McBride on Tuesday.


Why he asked? Who the fuck else is he going to throw to you jagbag?

Here’s a little nugget from Sunday. Coincidence???

According to The Athletic's Kevin Fishbain, White made the trip to Philadelphia with the Bears for Sunday's game at Lincoln Financial Field. White is currently on injured reserve

I cannot stand Kevin White. I have been a Bears fan since I was a child during the Walter Payton days beginning with '84. I remember crying on the couch after we lost to the Redskins in '86 and the look on Payton's face.

I do not remember a 1st round pick as bad as Kevin White. I remember Enis, McNown, Benson, Stan Thomas, and the list goes on and I think White is the worst. I know it's subjective and I'm not expecting any of you to agree with me, but that's what I think.

It's hard to say a draft pick is bad when he's only played 5 games in 3 years.

[BR0D1E86]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... e-mcbride/


Bears waive Tre McBride

Posted by Charean Williams on November 28, 2017, 4:14 PM EST



Mitchell Trubisky targeted Tre McBride six times in Sunday’s loss to the Eagles — Yes, the obvious question is: Why? — and McBride caught only two passes for 20 yards.

The Bears waived McBride on Tuesday.


Why he asked? Who the fuck else is he going to throw to you jagbag?

Here’s a little nugget from Sunday. Coincidence???

According to The Athletic's Kevin Fishbain, White made the trip to Philadelphia with the Bears for Sunday's game at Lincoln Financial Field. White is currently on injured reserve

I cannot stand Kevin White. I have been a Bears fan since I was a child during the Walter Payton days beginning with '84. I remember crying on the couch after we lost to the Redskins in '86 and the look on Payton's face.

I do not remember a 1st round pick as bad as Kevin White. I remember Enis, McNown, Benson, Stan Thomas, and the list goes on and I think White is the worst. I know it's subjective and I'm not expecting any of you to agree with me, but that's what I think.

It's hard to say a draft pick is bad when he's only played 5 games in 3 years.

I mean, it was an unproductive pick. In that sense it was bad. I don’t think these injury problems were foreseeable. I’ve never seen anything like it and it’s not like he had a checkered history before he got drafted.

It’s hard to get a read on what he might have been because he’s been available so infrequently.

I’m not sure you can pin White’s failure on Pace the way you can say some of his other picks haven’t worked out (overall I’m a fan of his drafting).

[crueltyabc]

The receivers taken after White in the first round of that 2015 draft haven't been super great

DeVante Parker
Nelson Agholor
Breshad Perriman
Phillip Dorsett

But Vic Beasley was drafted right after White and he's obviously had a great career - a few guys on the site wanted him. The knock on him was his size, but the same is true for Leonard Floyd so Pace looks dumb there IMO. I wanted Shaq Thompson or Bud Dupree and both of those guys have been good and could have saved us FA money at their LB spots. Hindsight is 20/20 and all but I maintain that Pace has not drafted very well considering how high our picks have been.

[G08]

But Vic Beasley was drafted right after White and he's obviously had a great career - a few guys on the site wanted him

Him and Donald brought up today

[malk]

I'm gonna have to go back and check whether I was on the Beasley bandwaggon. Pretty sure I was...

[The Marshall Plan]

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Bears waive Tre McBride

Posted by Charean Williams on November 28, 2017, 4:14 PM EST



Mitchell Trubisky targeted Tre McBride six times in Sunday’s loss to the Eagles — Yes, the obvious question is: Why? — and McBride caught only two passes for 20 yards.

The Bears waived McBride on Tuesday.


Why he asked? Who the fuck else is he going to throw to you jagbag?

Here’s a little nugget from Sunday. Coincidence???

According to The Athletic's Kevin Fishbain, White made the trip to Philadelphia with the Bears for Sunday's game at Lincoln Financial Field. White is currently on injured reserve

I cannot stand Kevin White. I have been a Bears fan since I was a child during the Walter Payton days beginning with '84. I remember crying on the couch after we lost to the Redskins in '86 and the look on Payton's face.

I do not remember a 1st round pick as bad as Kevin White. I remember Enis, McNown, Benson, Stan Thomas, and the list goes on and I think White is the worst. I know it's subjective and I'm not expecting any of you to agree with me, but that's what I think.

It's hard to say a draft pick is bad when he's only played 5 games in 3 years.

Actually that's a perfectly good reason to say that a draft pick is bad.

[DaSuperfan]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... e-mcbride/


Bears waive Tre McBride

Posted by Charean Williams on November 28, 2017, 4:14 PM EST



Mitchell Trubisky targeted Tre McBride six times in Sunday’s loss to the Eagles — Yes, the obvious question is: Why? — and McBride caught only two passes for 20 yards.

The Bears waived McBride on Tuesday.


Why he asked? Who the fuck else is he going to throw to you jagbag?

Here’s a little nugget from Sunday. Coincidence???

According to The Athletic's Kevin Fishbain, White made the trip to Philadelphia with the Bears for Sunday's game at Lincoln Financial Field. White is currently on injured reserve

I cannot stand Kevin White. I have been a Bears fan since I was a child during the Walter Payton days beginning with '84. I remember crying on the couch after we lost to the Redskins in '86 and the look on Payton's face.

I do not remember a 1st round pick as bad as Kevin White. I remember Enis, McNown, Benson, Stan Thomas, and the list goes on and I think White is the worst. I know it's subjective and I'm not expecting any of you to agree with me, but that's what I think.

It's hard to say a draft pick is bad when he's only played 5 games in 3 years.

Actually that's a perfectly good reason to say that a draft pick is bad.

I meant it as in he hasn't had the ability to show that he can or can't play. No one could have predicted 3 season ending injuries in a row. It's impossible to evaluate him as a bad player because he's been snake bitten 3 years straight.

Guys like Enis, McNown, Benson etc. were on the field and they showed that they just didn't have the talent to succeed at this level. Kevin White hasn't been afforded that opportunity unfortunately.

[ramentaschen]

Has there ever been another NFL player drafted high then consecutively injured for three years in a row AND THEN came back to become a playmaker for that team?

[malk]

Has there ever been another NFL player drafted high then consecutively injured for three years in a row AND THEN came back to become a playmaker for that team?

Not sure about playmaker but remember Marc Colombo?

[Boris13c]

Has there ever been another NFL player drafted high then consecutively injured for three years in a row AND THEN came back to become a playmaker for that team?

Not sure about playmaker but remember Marc Colombo?

I do ... he was a perfect example of the dark cloud apparently hanging over the Bears franchise

a solid college player, looked good with the Bears in his limited action before blowing out his knee, never got healthy as a Bear and was released ... got healthy and became a solid player for the Cowboys

as to White, I don't think he will ever physically be able to stay in 1 piece long enough to be a contributor of any kind ... until he gets cut by the Bears and picked up by somebody else a year later

[docc]

Robbie Gould doing it again today// 5 of 5//
4/5 over 50..
And here he foes again..

AND///
Good as Gould..!

AGAIN !

[Atkins&Rebel]

Robbie Gould doing it again today// 5 of 5//
4/5 over 50..
And here he foes again..

AND///
Good as Gould..!

AGAIN !

Man I liked Robbie as much as anyone can like a kicker...but it was time for him to go when he did. Had some mental stuff going on where he was just bad. Glad he turned things around and wish him the best!

[46Blitz]

I have been thinking a little about this offseason (shocking right).

Some have talked about FAs desire (or lack of) to come to Chicago due to the state of the team. Honestly I couldn't blame them last season.

However, if Fox goes this could change the dynamics of the recruiting process quite a bit. If the Bears get a youngish respected coach, they have a good young core to work with. This could spark a little more interest from solid FAs looking for a team this offseason. I mean really, who the hell wanted to sign with a team that had Glennon penciled in as the starter. Now we have a young very talented backfield including the QB. Next season I don't expect the team completely turn things around. But I do expect upward movement and by the following year serious playoff contenders. This is what I hope the FAs out there can see.

I don't really know what that FA market is, but it should dictate who we draft. I think OL and WR are top priorities followed by a pass rusher. We NEED one of the 3 as a FA and we can take a shot in the draft with the other two. In a perfect world we can trade down a few spots and grab another pick in the process.

[malk]

I have been thinking a little about this offseason (shocking right).

Some have talked about FAs desire (or lack of) to come to Chicago due to the state of the team. Honestly I couldn't blame them last season.

However, if Fox goes this could change the dynamics of the recruiting process quite a bit. If the Bears get a youngish respected coach, they have a good young core to work with. This could spark a little more interest from solid FAs looking for a team this offseason. I mean really, who the hell wanted to sign with a team that had Glennon penciled in as the starter. Now we have a young very talented backfield including the QB. Next season I don't expect the team completely turn things around. But I do expect upward movement and by the following year serious playoff contenders. This is what I hope the FAs out there can see.

I don't really know what that FA market is, but it should dictate who we draft. I think OL and WR are top priorities followed by a pass rusher. We NEED one of the 3 as a FA and we can take a shot in the draft with the other two. In a perfect world we can trade down a few spots and grab another pick in the process.

I just don't believe there was any real lack of desire to come to Chicago. It strikes me as much more likely that Pace didn't aggressively target anyone bar for Glennon. If you look back at Pace's FA history, Trevathan is the only top tier guy he's signed and even then ILB isn't a premium position.

Either way, a new coach and the emergence of Trubisky must make us a decent destination.

[GSH]

glennon's gone at the end of this season too, right?

[Moriarty]

glennon's gone at the end of this season too, right?

LOL

yes

Here are some likely cuts:
Released Mike Glennon
(Saved: $11,500,000)
Released Pernell McPhee
(Saved: $7,075,000)
Released Dion Sims
(Saved: $5,666,666)
Released Markus Wheaton
(Saved: $5,000,000)
Released Marcus Cooper
(Saved: $4,500,000)
Released Quintin Demps
(Saved: $3,666,666)
Released Willie Young
(Saved: $4,500,000)

[malk]

glennon's gone at the end of this season too, right?

LOL

yes

Here are some likely cuts:
Released Mike Glennon
(Saved: $11,500,000)
Released Pernell McPhee
(Saved: $7,075,000)
Released Dion Sims
(Saved: $5,666,666)
Released Markus Wheaton
(Saved: $5,000,000)
Released Marcus Cooper
(Saved: $4,500,000)
Released Quintin Demps
(Saved: $3,666,666)
Released Willie Young
(Saved: $4,500,000)

I wouldn't be surprised to see Young, Demps and Wheaton stick around. I don't think we should keep them, outside of the massive deal to a bust they're the worst type of contract, but we've got cap space and holes on the roster so at least some will avoid the axe.

[Mikefive]

glennon's gone at the end of this season too, right?

LOL

yes

Here are some likely cuts:
Released Mike Glennon
(Saved: $11,500,000)
Released Pernell McPhee
(Saved: $7,075,000)
Released Dion Sims
(Saved: $5,666,666)
Released Markus Wheaton
(Saved: $5,000,000)
Released Marcus Cooper
(Saved: $4,500,000)
Released Quintin Demps
(Saved: $3,666,666)
Released Willie Young
(Saved: $4,500,000)

I wouldn't be surprised to see Young, Demps and Wheaton stick around. I don't think we should keep them, outside of the massive deal to a bust they're the worst type of contract, but we've got cap space and holes on the roster so at least some will avoid the axe.

I think it's an oversimplification to say "release" as those things will have to be roster managed. With both of our starting CBs being FAs, Cooper is going nowhere until we get 2 starting CBs under contract.

As far as Wheaton goes... yes, we'll get Meredith and White back. But he's really a slot guy and our goto slot guy this year... Wright... is a FA. I'm in with re-signing Wright, then cutting Wheaton loose. But that's not a given.

I agree that Sims is overpaid. But do we go into FA with just Shaheen and Brown on the roster? No way that happens.

Absolutely no way Willie Young goes anywhere, although Pernell McPhee almost has to go, opening up a clear need at OLB. Floyd, Young and... Acho? (FA) Houston? (FA) Howard Jones? (yuck) Isaiah Irving? (yuck) That's where we're at for pass rushers. I've seen it said that we need WRs and OL guys at the top of our list. For me, it's OLB.

And in my way of thinking, Demps is as obvious a cut as Glennon. He did zero for us.

[docc]

So..we use Who for backup QB next year..?
FA or what we have now.?

[BR0D1E86]

So..we use Who for backup QB next year..?
FA or what we have now.?

Pretty decent bet it’s Sanchez in another 1 year deal.

[bearsfaninaz]

So..we use Who for backup QB next year..?
FA or what we have now.?

Pretty decent bet it’s Sanchez in another 1 year deal.

That's what I'd do

[The Marshall Plan]

Just putting an idea out there, is drafting a QB on day two a bad idea to have a developmental backup?

[mmmc_35]

Just putting an idea out there, is drafting a QB on day two a bad idea to have a developmental backup?

Logically no. Same breath it ain't happening

[Mikefive]

Just putting an idea out there, is drafting a QB on day two a bad idea to have a developmental backup?

Once we've "arrived", sure. But we haven't. We need those R2 and R3 picks to fill our roster with better starters, not to invest in backups. There are enough Mark Sanchez/Brian Hoyer types available to buy backups in the short term.

[southdakbearfan]

Just putting an idea out there, is drafting a QB on day two a bad idea to have a developmental backup?

Logically no. Same breath it ain't happening

More likely to be an UDFA or two pickup for camp arms and practice squad.

[RunningVaccs]

Hullo all, here to make inane comments and ask obvious questions.


Anyway, I think everyone agress Pace's record is mixed. His drafts I would say are good, with each year looking better than the last. FA is on the bad side; for every Hicks or Trevathan there are a handful of McDonalds and Glennons. The biggest knocks on him are waiting 3 years to get his QB, and sticking with Fox after last year. Overall I think his drafting, combined with the likelihood that Fox was not his first pick (and perhaps ownership pushed to keep him last year) and I think he deserves to stay. Conservative ownership of the McCaskey's only makes this more likely in my mind.