10.15.17 // WIN - Bears 27, Ravens 24

[Richie]

FWIW, I am all for Fox being canned, but I can't criticize any of the offensive play-calling under Trub so far.

I agree to disagree

Trubisky is a mobile QB ... he is accurate throwing on the run ... his mobility can and does help against a pass rush ... but when the passing plays designed and called appear to be to keep him in the pocket, they are doing the defense's job for them and making Trubisky a potential casualty thanks to the sporadic offensive line play

emphasizing the running game? no problem ... but apparently hamstringing your own passing game seems kind of dumb to me

How many times do you think Trubisky has thrown from, and from outside of the pocket thus far? I would be willing to bet it's been majority out of the pocket, rolling out. It's been at least 50/50 or so. I honestly cannot think of another team that does that. I mean, even with Watson in Houston, most of those highlights you see are him passing from the pocket.

You can't roll a QB out of the pocket every passing play, that's ridiculous. You have to be able to pass from the pocket in the NFL. I mean, I'm not sure what you want. We roll him out a TON.

[Funkster]

This sums it up for me.

TOP 39mins
Rushing attempts 54
Passing attempts 16
3rd down efficiency 5-17

Eh, if the Bears don't give up 15 points on special teams, this really isn't even a conversation.

You're missing the point. Point being is this offense isn't good enough to show your hand and expect to win. The entire league knows the bears are going to run heavy. Defenses stacking the box shows that. IMO, the run to pass ratio is unacceptable. If that is the game plan expect to loose the game and expect Howard to get injured. Becoming one dimensional is also unacceptable and so is only converting 5 3rd downs.

[Boris13c]

FWIW, I am all for Fox being canned, but I can't criticize any of the offensive play-calling under Trub so far.

I agree to disagree

Trubisky is a mobile QB ... he is accurate throwing on the run ... his mobility can and does help against a pass rush ... but when the passing plays designed and called appear to be to keep him in the pocket, they are doing the defense's job for them and making Trubisky a potential casualty thanks to the sporadic offensive line play

emphasizing the running game? no problem ... but apparently hamstringing your own passing game seems kind of dumb to me

How many times do you think Trubisky has thrown from, and from outside of the pocket thus far? I would be willing to bet it's been majority out of the pocket, rolling out. It's been at least 50/50 or so. I honestly cannot think of another team that does that. I mean, even with Watson in Houston, most of those highlights you see are him passing from the pocket.

You can't roll a QB out of the pocket every passing play, that's ridiculous. You have to be able to pass from the pocket in the NFL. I mean, I'm not sure what you want. We roll him out a TON.

you missed my point entirely or I worded it poorly

let me try again

* the passing game against the Ratbirds seemed to have had Trubisky passing just on predictable passing downs
* the running game was working yet play action passes, particularly on the straight dropbacks, were not being utilized
* utilizing a QB's mobility does not mean rolling him out on every damn play ... it means allowing for a more floating pocket so he can slide away from a rusher to make a play downfield ... more of a Rodgers type thing than actual designed rollouts all the time (which was not what I was suggesting)

I thought Trubisky did well but felt the Bears constrained him enough to be advantageous to the defense more than to the Bears offense

it just seemed like the offense was forcibly conservative and I hope will loosen up more as the season progresses and Trubisky becomes more and more comfortable with those around him

[Mikefive]

I heard from somewhere that the reason the gameplan was so run heavy and light on passing was because the Ravens were so good at intercepting the ball. Their DBs had 8 interceptions going into the game and they were afraid of Mitch throwing it to them.

[Funkster]

All of what UOK said. I'd argue that the Bears are one more legit pass rusher away from being an elite defense.

On offense, if the Bears had just one single solitary WR that a defense feared, they'd be a team to watch down the stretch.

I was so happy and surprised to see how well the defense played yesterday. I don't know if it is an aberration or if they are turning the page into becoming a legit top 10 defense.

What sucks about this? There's a chance Fangio and Donatell are gone after this season.

Amos and Jackson could be a legit pairing (they were flying around and laying the lumber, which was so God damned refreshing to see). Kyle Fuller is playing like a CB1, I'm hoping that yesterday's game is a springboard into the rest of his career.

Agreed with needing another pass rusher.

We could have Randy Moss in his prime on this team and it wouldn't do any damn good if they refuse to pass. The old saying is scheme create green. Running a true west coast would have this offense moving down the field. Tru's timing is off a bit and is probably a reason Loggains isn't calling more conventional WC passes.

I agree! I really liked the combo of Amos and Jackson. I think they both have good tools to build off of. I love how Amos loves to tap the hit stick. I mentioned Jackson's poor angles in his draft thread, those haven't changed. If he can clean that and his missed tackles up he could be really solid. Mix in Fuller and Prince and they could be legit.

[G08]

All of what UOK said. I'd argue that the Bears are one more legit pass rusher away from being an elite defense.

On offense, if the Bears had just one single solitary WR that a defense feared, they'd be a team to watch down the stretch.

I was so happy and surprised to see how well the defense played yesterday. I don't know if it is an aberration or if they are turning the page into becoming a legit top 10 defense.

What sucks about this? There's a chance Fangio and Donatell are gone after this season.

Amos and Jackson could be a legit pairing (they were flying around and laying the lumber, which was so God damned refreshing to see). Kyle Fuller is playing like a CB1, I'm hoping that yesterday's game is a springboard into the rest of his career.

Agreed with needing another pass rusher.

We could have Randy Moss in his prime on this team and it wouldn't do any damn good if they refuse to pass. The old saying is scheme create green. Running a true west coast would have this offense moving down the field. Tru's timing is off a bit and is probably a reason Loggains isn't calling more conventional WC passes.

I agree! I really liked the combo of Amos and Jackson. I think they both have good tools to build off of. I love how Amos loves to tap the hit stick. I mentioned Jackson's poor angles in his draft thread, those haven't changed. If he can clean that and his missed tackles up he could be really solid. Mix in Fuller and Prince and they could be legit.

I'm hoping that will improve in time for Jackson. I loved the wallop he put on the Raven's WR that led to the INT. Clean hit and he put that dude on his ass.

I think Mitch will get better in time, you need reps with your targets in this offense and right now the WR position is a revolving door of undrafted players.

[Funkster]

All of what UOK said. I'd argue that the Bears are one more legit pass rusher away from being an elite defense.

On offense, if the Bears had just one single solitary WR that a defense feared, they'd be a team to watch down the stretch.

I was so happy and surprised to see how well the defense played yesterday. I don't know if it is an aberration or if they are turning the page into becoming a legit top 10 defense.

What sucks about this? There's a chance Fangio and Donatell are gone after this season.

Amos and Jackson could be a legit pairing (they were flying around and laying the lumber, which was so God damned refreshing to see). Kyle Fuller is playing like a CB1, I'm hoping that yesterday's game is a springboard into the rest of his career.

Agreed with needing another pass rusher.

We could have Randy Moss in his prime on this team and it wouldn't do any damn good if they refuse to pass. The old saying is scheme create green. Running a true west coast would have this offense moving down the field. Tru's timing is off a bit and is probably a reason Loggains isn't calling more conventional WC passes.

I agree! I really liked the combo of Amos and Jackson. I think they both have good tools to build off of. I love how Amos loves to tap the hit stick. I mentioned Jackson's poor angles in his draft thread, those haven't changed. If he can clean that and his missed tackles up he could be really solid. Mix in Fuller and Prince and they could be legit.

I'm hoping that will improve in time for Jackson. I loved the wallop he put on the Raven's WR that led to the INT. Clean hit and he put that dude on his ass.

I think Mitch will get better in time, you need reps with your targets in this offense and right now the WR position is a revolving door of undrafted players.

Yeah, Jackson is doing well. I wasn't big on drafting him but you kept churching him up and you were right. He has the tools just needs to clean up some mental mistakes. His plus side definitely outways his negatives. I also like how our defense has some young promising talent. Hicks is a beast but he gets tired late in games. If the offense could convert 3rd downs we could see a rested Hicks getting after the QB more often, which in turn would take a lot of pressure off our DB's.

Yeah, I agree, it's not time to hit the panic button on TRU yet. I was just noticing his timing is off and he holds the ball a little long. Westcoast is all about footwork and timing and maybe Loggains knows he's just not there yet and may be that is attributing to the lack of passing attempts. Whatever the case, a vertical stretch has to be incorporated, lord knows they've been beating the horizontal stretch drum to death.

[BR0D1E86]

My issue with the play calling was not that we ran a lot more than we passed. That was prudent. But we made virtually no effort to pass until we were behind the chains in obvious passing situations. The Ravens were playing 8 in the box with a 9th crashing down at the snap. Every time. No play action, just hammering the ball into it.

I would have thrown a few more first down passes instead of waiting until it was 2nd and 11 or 3rd and 10 every time. Not a lot more, but a few would have loosened up thing significantly imo.


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[Mikefive]

My issue with the play calling was not that we ran a lot more than we passed. That was prudent. But we made virtually no effort to pass until we were behind the chains in obvious passing situations. The Ravens were playing 8 in the box with a 9th crashing down at the snap. Every time. No play action, just hammering the ball into it.

I would have thrown a few more first down passes instead of waiting until it was 2nd and 11 or 3rd and 10 every time. Not a lot more, but a few would have loosened up thing significantly imo.


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What is ironic about this criticism is that other than this ONE game, the critics (which would include me and others) complain that we have Jordan Howard and aren't using him enough. Of course, that's in games where he rushes less than 20x. It's just ONE game. And we won. It seems kinda silly to complain (and I'm not just picking on you, Brodie, just the argument which includes others) that Loggains runs the ball too much, when there have been games when Howard runs it less than 1/3rd as many times as the 36 he had in Baltimore. I think a lot of it is the game plan against the particular opponent or the way the game plays out. Things will change from week to week.

[Bears Whiskey Nut]

All of what UOK said. I'd argue that the Bears are one more legit pass rusher away from being an elite defense.

On offense, if the Bears had just one single solitary WR that a defense feared, they'd be a team to watch down the stretch.

If the Bears had a true X, like a Kelvin Benjamin. That would free up the middle in a HUGE way. That would allow TE seam routes, and shallow crossing patterns for Wright. The problem of course, is that these receivers aren't lying around on the scrap heap.

[Richie]

PFF grades from the game. Nothing unexpected, and I don't take it as gospel. However, it's a nice reference point, from people who sit and watch every play, from every player. Which I (like you all) just don't have time to do. lol


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[Richie]

This sums it up for me.

TOP 39mins
Rushing attempts 54
Passing attempts 16
3rd down efficiency 5-17

Eh, if the Bears don't give up 15 points on special teams, this really isn't even a conversation.

You're missing the point. Point being is this offense isn't good enough to show your hand and expect to win.

Except we did twice, against two pretty solid teams. One time yesterday, where we literally dominated and win going away without two SPT gaffes. I would contend that perhaps you are missing the point.

[Richie]

FWIW, I am all for Fox being canned, but I can't criticize any of the offensive play-calling under Trub so far.

I agree to disagree

Trubisky is a mobile QB ... he is accurate throwing on the run ... his mobility can and does help against a pass rush ... but when the passing plays designed and called appear to be to keep him in the pocket, they are doing the defense's job for them and making Trubisky a potential casualty thanks to the sporadic offensive line play

emphasizing the running game? no problem ... but apparently hamstringing your own passing game seems kind of dumb to me

How many times do you think Trubisky has thrown from, and from outside of the pocket thus far? I would be willing to bet it's been majority out of the pocket, rolling out. It's been at least 50/50 or so. I honestly cannot think of another team that does that. I mean, even with Watson in Houston, most of those highlights you see are him passing from the pocket.

You can't roll a QB out of the pocket every passing play, that's ridiculous. You have to be able to pass from the pocket in the NFL. I mean, I'm not sure what you want. We roll him out a TON.

you missed my point entirely or I worded it poorly

let me try again

* the passing game against the Ratbirds seemed to have had Trubisky passing just on predictable passing downs
* the running game was working yet play action passes, particularly on the straight dropbacks, were not being utilized
* utilizing a QB's mobility does not mean rolling him out on every damn play ... it means allowing for a more floating pocket so he can slide away from a rusher to make a play downfield ... more of a Rodgers type thing than actual designed rollouts all the time (which was not what I was suggesting)

I thought Trubisky did well but felt the Bears constrained him enough to be advantageous to the defense more than to the Bears offense

it just seemed like the offense was forcibly conservative and I hope will loosen up more as the season progresses and Trubisky becomes more and more comfortable with those around him

I see an offense that is flirting with disaster nearly every time Trubisky (or whoever the hell else would be back there) DOES drop-back.

I see an offense that is conservative out of complete necessity.

If you really think slinging the ball with this kid, in this offense is a good idea. We're so far apart... I don't even think we can really have a conversation about this.

IMO, we're lucky that we got away with throwing as much as we did. Trubisky, Glennon... whoever... we have a NON-EXISTENT passing attack man. Maybe as Trubisky grows week-to-week that will change. Against that D... on the road... with our crop of WR's? Man, I can't fathom wanting to throw more and think it's a classic mistake by a hometown fan, who just wants to see his team be more aggressive. Not that I don't understand this mind-set.

The schedule lightens up in the second half. You'll get to see what you're looking for.

[Rusty Trombagent]

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[Adipost]

All-22 is out. On the long Jordan Howard run in OT, McBride delivered a huge block that wiped out Tony Jefferson. Not only did it eliminate Jefferson from the play, it allowed Dion Sims to get into the second level and block out CB Jimmy Smith.



Angle #1: https://gfycat.com/ImperturbableChillyFirefly

Angle #2: https://gfycat.com/InsidiousAnyBluet

[UOK]

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[Adipost]

Hey guys, just a reminder to please not post premium content that's typically behind a paywall. Violates our community guidelines.

I think he was using info from the free portion of the site.

[UOK]

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I think he was using info from the free portion of the site.

Oh.

So he was!

I've gotten some nasty contact from PFF before about posting their material here.

Here's a link to the article, which is indeed free.

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[Bears Whiskey Nut]

All-22 is out. On the long Jordan Howard run in OT, McBride delivered a huge block that wiped out Tony Jefferson. Not only did it eliminate Jefferson from the play, it allowed Dion Sims to get into the second level and block out CB Jimmy Smith.



Angle #1: https://gfycat.com/ImperturbableChillyFirefly

Angle #2: https://gfycat.com/InsidiousAnyBluet

I remember that block. He really sealed off Jefferson, and opened a HUGE hole for Howard. It was a great play.

[HisRoyalSweetness]

A couple of articles of interest on nfl.com:

1. Jordan Howard is a contender for the FedEx Ground Player of the week, so if you want to vote...

2. Trubisky's TD to Sims is number one on their list of the Top 5 plays Week 6, which you can view in 360 degrees.

[Boris13c]

to begin overtime, was it Glennon who got over ruled?

after the official finishes his little speech and asks the Bears to call it, you hear "tails" kind of quietly, but then a much louder "NO, heads" and the official says heads is the call

[Richie]

PFF grades from the game. Nothing unexpected, and I don't take it as gospel. However, it's a nice reference point, from people who sit and watch every play, from every player. Which I (like you all) just don't have time to do. lol


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Yeah, that was totally free and available, via a google search man.

[bearsfaninaz]

to begin overtime, was it Glennon who got over ruled?

after the official finishes his little speech and asks the Bears to call it, you hear "tails" kind of quietly, but then a much louder "NO, heads" and the official says heads is the call

Yes it was Glennon being overruled then you can hear him saying tails never fails as it is being flipped. He shouldn't even be Captain anymore he lost his job he never won to begin with.

[G08]

John Fox was so pissed off during last week's game that he literally bit a crown out of his tooth

[docc]

Welp..
Ravens fillet 'fins..40-0
You jus; never know..
Week to week matchups..

But we'll see..

[DaSuperfan]

Welp..
Ravens fillet 'fins..40-0
You jus; never know..
Week to week matchups..

But we'll see..

Good thing I started the Ravens defense in fantasy.

[wab]

Welp..
Ravens fillet 'fins..40-0
You jus; never know..
Week to week matchups..

But we'll see..

Might get Gase back after all.

[Bears Whiskey Nut]

Welp..
Ravens fillet 'fins..40-0
You jus; never know..
Week to week matchups..

But we'll see..

Might get Gase back after all.

Yeah, he's having a rough go of it down there. Not sure he has much to work with though. His franchise QB is out, and his defense sucks. Mostly because they paid all of that money to Suh...and nobody else. They're so desperate they signed David Fales this week. I mean...that's bad.

[G08]

I think I am slowly realizing that just because you're a good/great offensive or defensive coordinator you are not guaranteed to be a good/great head coach.

Whole different ballgame leading an entire team... it, God damnit, it kind of is what is making my needle move back to retaining Fox if this team continues to trend upward.

[Boris13c]

I think I am slowly realizing that just because you're a good/great offensive or defensive coordinator you are not guaranteed to be a good/great head coach.

well better late than never with your realization

Whole different ballgame leading an entire team... it, God damnit, it kind of is what is making my needle move back to retaining Fox if this team continues to trend upward.

and the light comes on ...