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 Post subject: Re: F**k John Fox
PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:05 pm 
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I still agree with G08 that this coaching staff will do more harm than good for the future of Trubisky's growth.


Ahh, another cynic. Welcome to the darkside, my friend :lol:


I understand that they want to protect their future QB by running the ball, but just like helicopter parenting, too much protection becomes harmful. You and others have already shown stats of distance to gain on many of his throws. It's maddening. Maybe we (some of us) are over reacting, I don't know. But like you, I'm scared that they are turning him into a complete game manager and reducing his skill set. Game managers don't seem to win Super Bowls anymore because of the rule changes and they hardly keep their teams at the top of their divisions year in and year out.

Give me a Stafford (gun slinger) any day over a game manager and I'll deal with the INT's here and there!

EDIT> To everybody that wants to throw the Cutler saga into this post, I understand. Personally, I loved Cutler and he was the best Bears QB that probably most on this board have witnessed in a Bears uniform. Cutler unfortunately didn't have a high enough TD/INT ratio (which can be blamed partly on lack of weapons for many years). But that ship has sailed. Question now becomes, would you be happy if Trubisky was turned into a game manager in the mold of a John Fox QB?


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 Post subject: Re: F**k John Fox
PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:13 pm 
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Oh absolutely there's a level of over-reaction on my end. I just felt so confident about this fucking team going into last weeks game and we predictably shit the bed. I'm just fed up, I guess, of trying to pour everything I have into this shit franchise and literally have nothing to show for it.

Sure enough, I'll probably be glued to the TV every remaining game.

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 Post subject: Re: F**k John Fox
PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:01 pm 
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Hematite wrote:
I still agree with G08 that this coaching staff will do more harm than good for the future of Trubisky's growth.

I don't think this staff is going to ruin him in any way shape or form. But, I don't think these are the guys to get everything possible out of him and maximize his talent.


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 Post subject: Re: F**k John Fox
PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:30 pm 
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Oh absolutely there's a level of over-reaction on my end. I just felt so confident about this fucking team going into last weeks game and we predictably shit the bed. I'm just fed up, I guess, of trying to pour everything I have into this shit franchise and literally have nothing to show for it.

Sure enough, I'll probably be glued to the TV every remaining game.


Yeah my own overconfidence evaporated on our first play from scrimmage when we run up the middle for minus 3 yards. That was when I felt pretty sure we were going to lose.

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 Post subject: Re: F**k John Fox
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Hematite wrote:
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I still agree with G08 that this coaching staff will do more harm than good for the future of Trubisky's growth.


Ahh, another cynic. Welcome to the darkside, my friend :lol:


I understand that they want to protect their future QB by running the ball, but just like helicopter parenting, too much protection becomes harmful. You and others have already shown stats of distance to gain on many of his throws. It's maddening. Maybe we (some of us) are over reacting, I don't know. But like you, I'm scared that they are turning him into a complete game manager and reducing his skill set. Game managers don't seem to win Super Bowls anymore because of the rule changes and they hardly keep their teams at the top of their divisions year in and year out.

Give me a Stafford (gun slinger) any day over a game manager and I'll deal with the INT's here and there!

EDIT> To everybody that wants to throw the Cutler saga into this post, I understand. Personally, I loved Cutler and he was the best Bears QB that probably most on this board have witnessed in a Bears uniform. Cutler unfortunately didn't have a high enough TD/INT ratio (which can be blamed partly on lack of weapons for many years). But that ship has sailed. Question now becomes, would you be happy if Trubisky was turned into a game manager in the mold of a John Fox QB?



First, I highly dislike the term "game manager". IMO, it's just an ignorant term overly used and viewed by most in football world as a negative. I'm going with Primetime on this one. It's like the term "cover corner", every single CB covers the receiver just like every single QB manages the game. A game manager to me is a QB with a high completion rating and low turnover line. He takes what the defense gives him and doesn't force the football where it doesn't belong. He understands that he can't put his team in a bad position. He knows when to hold em' and knows when to fold em'. Most of the time, these QBs are accompanied by a very good defense. If we have to use that term, I ultimately think of Alex Smith and would also put Russell Wilson in the bunch.

Now to answer your question. Would you be happy if Trubisky was turned into a game manager in the mold of a John Fox QB?

Absolutely not!

IMO, that's why Fox will be gone after this season. Fox is conservative to a fault and plays not to loose more than he plays to win. If my mother can call out what the Bears are doing on offense and what they should be doing, Pace sure and the hell can see it also. I don't believe Pace will go down with the Fox ship. Fox was brought to the Bears for 1 reason and he has, for the most part, accomplished that. Fox is a foundation layer not a finish carpenter. It's time to bring in the right coach that will put the finishing touches on this team. For the most part, the defense is poised, now they need to solidify their franchise QB and Fox dictatorship style just isn't going to cut it in today's NFL.

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 Post subject: Re: F**k John Fox
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#Bears are 0-3 vs. NFC North teams in 2017.

They are 3-12 against the division in the last three years.


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 Post subject: Re: F**k John Fox
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Trubisky needs his McVay type of offensive coach to work with him and bring things along. It's not like Goff has a slew of weapons, but we're all seeing what's been transpiring down there.

I don't hate Fox, but much like Jeff Fisher... the game just passed him by at some point. IMO


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 Post subject: Re: F**k John Fox
PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:49 pm 
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Trubisky needs his McVay type of offensive coach to work with him and bring things along. It's not like Goff has a slew of weapons, but we're all seeing what's been transpiring down there.

I don't hate Fox, but much like Jeff Fisher... the game just passed him by at some point. IMO


Agreed. Get that young, innovative offensive mind in here and time him to Trubisky. Goff has better weapons than we currently do; those need to be upgraded by Pace both in FA and the draft.

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 Post subject: F**k John Fox
PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:43 am 
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This article is absolutely scathing...

http://wgnradio.com/2017/11/15/hoges-10-bears-things-10-specific-problems-with-the-bears-offense/amp/


Edit: just saw it in the OC thread too. Good article


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 Post subject: Re: F**k John Fox
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i was just about to post that. there's alot of great points laid out, too much to copy/paste. well worth a read.


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