Posted it in another thread... he really rips Loggains and Fox apart... and he's right.
What alarms me the most is how after each game Mitchell and/or Dowell have said that they weren't prepared for the defenses they faced. Sure, it was unscouted looks, but every fucking week? What exactly are we doing in preparation?
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It blows my mind that the excuse for him not being on the field is that teams are doubling him to take him away. If they're doubling Cohen, does it not open things up for other guys? It's insane.
He also said without saying it that they're letting defenses dictate his substitutions by how they're playing. You're the offense. They're supposed to substitute based on your personnel groupings, not the other way around. That's why they make the offense wait to snap the ball to give the defense time to match up after substituting rather than the other way around.
It's also insane that they appear to be complaining that defenses are playing coverages they didn't expect, so they couldn't possibly be expected to be productive. This is the f-ing NFL. Of course teams are scheming against you. That's their job. It's your job, Loggains, to counter that in some way other than giving up by running Howard head first into 10 man fronts.
His comments this week are basically him talking around the explicit statement that he's completely outmatched by his counterparts every week and doesn't know how to create a scheme that makes his players better unless the defense does exactly what he expects them to do.
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He also said without saying it that they're letting defenses dictate his substitutions by how they're playing. You're the offense. They're supposed to substitute based on your personnel groupings, not the other way around. That's why they make the offense wait to snap the ball to give the defense time to match up after substituting rather than the other way around.
It's also insane that they appear to be complaining that defenses are playing coverages they didn't expect, so they couldn't possibly be expected to be productive. This is the f-ing NFL. Of course teams are scheming against you. That's their job. It's your job, Loggains, to counter that in some way other than giving up by running Howard head first into 10 man fronts.
His comments this week are basically him talking around the explicit statement that he's completely outmatched by his counterparts every week and doesn't know how to create a scheme that makes his players better unless the defense does exactly what he expects them to do.
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another worthy read about the failings of Fox and Loggains (also posted in the OC thread) :
Bears stupidity holds Tarik Cohen hostage, and that’s why we can’t have nice things
Bears stupidity holds Tarik Cohen hostage, and that’s why we can’t have nice things
The Bears, see, apparently don’t have anything in their playbook to get their scariest offensive player open if, heaven forbid, an opponent double-teams Cohen. That’s what the Packers did Sunday, and that was it. The Bears surrendered their best weapon at the door. Cohen was on the field for just 13 snaps. He ran the ball once for one yard. He caught one pass for 10. You get tired just counting all of it, don't you?
By the way, that one catch matched Cohen’s single-game high since Mitch Trubisky became the starter. One. One catch for the player the offensive coordinator a month ago called “the best playmaker we have.’’ Not many teams develop game plans aimed at making a potential franchise quarterback worse, but ladies and gentlemen, John Fox’s Bears are right here for you with that.
The Bears can’t figure out how to spring a fast guy and can’t figure out how to use him enough as a decoy to make other players better. The Stupid-O-Meter needs a new motherboard. And that's why we can't have nice things.
The Bears can’t figure out how to spring a fast guy and can’t figure out how to use him enough as a decoy to make other players better. The Stupid-O-Meter needs a new motherboard. And that's why we can't have nice things.
And so, a team in desperate need of offense apparently is in desperate need of someone with a whiff of offensive creativity.
Fox said sometimes “the defense dictates who gets the ball."
This is a weak approach, even for one of Fox’s Bears teams. Feel free to curl up into a fetal position.
Bears offensive coordinator Dowell Loggains said they have “to find different ways to get him the ball.’’
Yes. Well. Ahem. Who’s in charge of that?
Like Fox, Loggains said personnel packages are dictated by opposing defensive schemes.
Email the Lions this week and see what plays they’ll approve.
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Ever hear Belichick say this? Reid? Payton?Boris13c wrote:another worthy read about the failings of Fox and Loggains (also posted in the OC thread) :
Bears stupidity holds Tarik Cohen hostage, and that’s why we can’t have nice things
The Bears, see, apparently don’t have anything in their playbook to get their scariest offensive player open if, heaven forbid, an opponent double-teams Cohen. That’s what the Packers did Sunday, and that was it. The Bears surrendered their best weapon at the door. Cohen was on the field for just 13 snaps. He ran the ball once for one yard. He caught one pass for 10. You get tired just counting all of it, don't you?
By the way, that one catch matched Cohen’s single-game high since Mitch Trubisky became the starter. One. One catch for the player the offensive coordinator a month ago called “the best playmaker we have.’’ Not many teams develop game plans aimed at making a potential franchise quarterback worse, but ladies and gentlemen, John Fox’s Bears are right here for you with that.
The Bears can’t figure out how to spring a fast guy and can’t figure out how to use him enough as a decoy to make other players better. The Stupid-O-Meter needs a new motherboard. And that's why we can't have nice things.
The Bears can’t figure out how to spring a fast guy and can’t figure out how to use him enough as a decoy to make other players better. The Stupid-O-Meter needs a new motherboard. And that's why we can't have nice things.
And so, a team in desperate need of offense apparently is in desperate need of someone with a whiff of offensive creativity.
Fox said sometimes “the defense dictates who gets the ball."
This is a weak approach, even for one of Fox’s Bears teams. Feel free to curl up into a fetal position.
Bears offensive coordinator Dowell Loggains said they have “to find different ways to get him the ball.’’
Yes. Well. Ahem. Who’s in charge of that?
Like Fox, Loggains said personnel packages are dictated by opposing defensive schemes.
Email the Lions this week and see what plays they’ll approve.
This is why I want an innovative, aggressive offensive mind paired up with Trubisky.
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as has been stated more than once, the NFL has simply passed John Fox by ... he is out of touch with how the sport has progressed, and if he truly feels he simply has to remove one of his best players from the game because the defense is scheming against him, then perhaps he is also suffering from early onset AlzheimersG08 wrote:Ever hear Belichick say this? Reid? Payton?
This is why I want an innovative, aggressive offensive mind paired up with Trubisky.
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I will say it again. The longer that Ryan Pace allows this shit show to go on, the less and less credibility that he will have. Now its possible that the McCaskey's are pulling the 'don't fire John Fox yet' strings. But if that's the case, then we are right back where we were with ownership meddling in things that ought not to be meddled in. I hate this team right now.
GSH wrote:id also be happy to see some new strength and conditioning coaches come in on a regime change - whoever is filling that role now may as well not come to work.
YES! No one ever thinks about this. The S & C coach is a guy that Fox brought with him from denver. I firmly believe his system is to blame for all the injurie problems since Fox has been here.
Hopefully when Pace boots Fox, he will send that guy packing as well.
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It’s funny how they explain that they have to keep Bellamy on the field because he’s the only WR on the roster who can stretch the field, yet they just cut their fastest WR in Deonte Thompson. What a clown show this is!!! And they bench Tarik Cohen, who is the first Bears player in the past 3 seasons to command a double team, because they are afraid Trubisky will misread the coverages. LMAO!G08 wrote:Posted it in another thread... he really rips Loggains and Fox apart... and he's right.
What alarms me the most is how after each game Mitchell and/or Dowell have said that they weren't prepared for the defenses they faced. Sure, it was unscouted looks, but every fucking week? What exactly are we doing in preparation?
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Exactly. And Markus Wheaton isn't exactly a snail, either.Adipost wrote:It’s funny how they explain that they have to keep Bellamy on the field because he’s the only WR on the roster who can stretch the field, yet they just cut their fastest WR in Deonte Thompson. What a clown show this is!!! And they bench Tarik Cohen, who is the first Bears player in the past 3 seasons to command a double team, because they are afraid Trubisky will misread the coverages. LMAO!G08 wrote:Posted it in another thread... he really rips Loggains and Fox apart... and he's right.
What alarms me the most is how after each game Mitchell and/or Dowell have said that they weren't prepared for the defenses they faced. Sure, it was unscouted looks, but every fucking week? What exactly are we doing in preparation?
Just dumb.
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Regarding Cohen, I think Loggains knows that when Cohen is on the field, the defense also knows the ball will be going to him. Let's be honest, the pitches outside worked very early in the season but they stopped about the 3rd or 4th game. News flash, this kid can run inside zone too! He is very effective off tackle. Plus, I also feel the biggest issue that isn't being addressed here is the lack of play building. This offense simply doesn't build off of what they set up. Against the pukers, Loggains used Cohen as a decoy, he had some confusion going but then failed to actually give him the ball to show the defense he's not just a bluff. Also they've pounded the rock with Howard but how often do we see play action built off of all those hand offs? How about naked boots? Now I understand that when you get behind the sticks, down and distance becomes a factor limiting which plays are called. Which leads us to the next problem, gaining plus yardage on 1st down. I feel this is where Cohen could be most effective. Lining him up outside on a bubble will create a mismatch, this type of play is safe and is two fold. It shows the defense we will throw on first down and it allows the offense a good opportunity for plus yardage on first down. Once the offense systematically loosens the box, the real MVP (Howard) of this offense can then take over. Remember the games he used to break at least two 20 plus yarders a game?? This kid is also good in space!
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I am starting to suspect the Fox is really doing Andy Kaufman type performance art. Conner Barth was in on it. Fox's challenge flag is in on it too.
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I'm starting to think McDaniels is the best man for the job... sounds like his failures have humbled him, but nobody can deny his play-calling and in-game adjustments as a coordinator. Pairing him with McCoy would give him a familiar voice and someone else with head coaching experience. Curious what he would want to do defensively... but if you want to follow that New Orleans blueprint with Sean Payton... McDaniels IMO is the best fit.
What other choices does he have if he wants a gig this year?
Cleveland is a shit-show and I'm not convinced Jackson is gone.
San Francisco is committed to Shanahan.
NY Giants perhaps if McAdoo is whacked... still they have no QB (Eli is old)
Denver seems committed to Vance, and Elway isn't giving up any control
Indy could be a fit, but would Ballard want to give up final say?
etc.
What other choices does he have if he wants a gig this year?
Cleveland is a shit-show and I'm not convinced Jackson is gone.
San Francisco is committed to Shanahan.
NY Giants perhaps if McAdoo is whacked... still they have no QB (Eli is old)
Denver seems committed to Vance, and Elway isn't giving up any control
Indy could be a fit, but would Ballard want to give up final say?
etc.
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I think McDaniels is a great coordinator. I also think he has an inherent personality flaw that makes him a poor head coaching candidate. He can say he’s a new man and all, but from what I’ve read aboot him in Denver, the shit he pulled was just him being him.G08 wrote:I'm starting to think McDaniels is the best man for the job... sounds like his failures have humbled him, but nobody can deny his play-calling and in-game adjustments as a coordinator. Pairing him with McCoy would give him a familiar voice and someone else with head coaching experience. Curious what he would want to do defensively... but if you want to follow that New Orleans blueprint with Sean Payton... McDaniels IMO is the best fit.
What other choices does he have if he wants a gig this year?
Cleveland is a shit-show and I'm not convinced Jackson is gone.
San Francisco is committed to Shanahan.
NY Giants perhaps if McAdoo is whacked... still they have no QB (Eli is old)
Denver seems committed to Vance, and Elway isn't giving up any control
Indy could be a fit, but would Ballard want to give up final say?
etc.
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Well, in Denver he supposedly did the following.
Screwing with players, berating them before he had seen them play/practice. (Cutler and others)
Not listening to coordinators, at all.
Wanting too much control then blaming others for personnel failures.
Then he went to St. Louis - as OC, and their offense stunk. Like 12 PPG stunk.
So, for those interested in McDaniels tell me why? Has he ever done anything without a HOF, possibly GOAT, at QB with consistency? Not that he has had a lot of chance but what OC has looked bad with Tom Brady running the show?
What coordinator of Bellicheats has done well in the NFL? Al Groh, Romeo Crenel, Jim Schwartz, Bill O'Brien, Charlie Weiss, Eric Mangini nor McDaniels himself proved worth a crap when they got their own gigs in the NFL.
Screwing with players, berating them before he had seen them play/practice. (Cutler and others)
Not listening to coordinators, at all.
Wanting too much control then blaming others for personnel failures.
Then he went to St. Louis - as OC, and their offense stunk. Like 12 PPG stunk.
So, for those interested in McDaniels tell me why? Has he ever done anything without a HOF, possibly GOAT, at QB with consistency? Not that he has had a lot of chance but what OC has looked bad with Tom Brady running the show?
What coordinator of Bellicheats has done well in the NFL? Al Groh, Romeo Crenel, Jim Schwartz, Bill O'Brien, Charlie Weiss, Eric Mangini nor McDaniels himself proved worth a crap when they got their own gigs in the NFL.
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I read a piece by Dan Pompei regarding Josh McDaniels and I came away from it more impressed with the person than what I had known about him before (basically everything you said about him in Denver). I think he was a smug, egotistical little shit during those two years in Denver and I think he was humbled greatly. He seems to carry a sense of faith more closely now in his life, he has made notes/corrections to listen to everyone in his coaching staff and plans to make sure to not allow football to burn him out like it did in Denver.southdakbearfan wrote:Well, in Denver he supposedly did the following.
Screwing with players, berating them before he had seen them play/practice. (Cutler and others)
Not listening to coordinators, at all.
Wanting too much control then blaming others for personnel failures.
Then he went to St. Louis - as OC, and their offense stunk. Like 12 PPG stunk.
So, for those interested in McDaniels tell me why? Has he ever done anything without a HOF, possibly GOAT, at QB with consistency? Not that he has had a lot of chance but what OC has looked bad with Tom Brady running the show?
What coordinator of Bellicheats has done well in the NFL? Al Groh, Romeo Crenel, Jim Schwartz, Bill O'Brien, Charlie Weiss, Eric Mangini nor McDaniels himself proved worth a crap when they got their own gigs in the NFL.
I think spending 9 years around the greatest coach in NFL history can only be a positive, but the caveat would be that McDaniels would need to know he isn't Bill Belichick and he can't run a team entirely the same way that Belichick has done in his career. I think he knows football, I think he knows how to develop a QB, and of all these names I'm looking at I would have to think someone that has spent 9 years with Tom Brady should have *some* idea of what it takes to make a QB great. With a hard-working/impressionable kid like Mitch Trubisky, I think that could be gold.
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wonder if Pace thinks about any of thissouthdakbearfan wrote:Well, in Denver he supposedly did the following.
Screwing with players, berating them before he had seen them play/practice. (Cutler and others)
Not listening to coordinators, at all.
Wanting too much control then blaming others for personnel failures.
Then he went to St. Louis - as OC, and their offense stunk. Like 12 PPG stunk.
So, for those interested in McDaniels tell me why? Has he ever done anything without a HOF, possibly GOAT, at QB with consistency? Not that he has had a lot of chance but what OC has looked bad with Tom Brady running the show?
What coordinator of Bellicheats has done well in the NFL? Al Groh, Romeo Crenel, Jim Schwartz, Bill O'Brien, Charlie Weiss, Eric Mangini nor McDaniels himself proved worth a crap when they got their own gigs in the NFL.
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Little McNapoleon as he was called..
In NE..with excellent talent HOF OB..TE..HC..and excellent cast..
Yeah he does well..
How about rookies and 2nd tiers like we have ? Yeah..plug in a QB in NE is QUITE different than what we'd have here..
In Denver her created a megalomaniac shit fest..
Rather see Fox get jetted and see Loggains for the rest of the years to see what he and Fangio are
McDaniels wants control..and last time the little penis just pissed his pants..
Just don't like the little shit..
But I could be wrong..
In NE..with excellent talent HOF OB..TE..HC..and excellent cast..
Yeah he does well..
How about rookies and 2nd tiers like we have ? Yeah..plug in a QB in NE is QUITE different than what we'd have here..
In Denver her created a megalomaniac shit fest..
Rather see Fox get jetted and see Loggains for the rest of the years to see what he and Fangio are
McDaniels wants control..and last time the little penis just pissed his pants..
Just don't like the little shit..
But I could be wrong..
Not only that, he was also filming opponents practices. And who knows how this even formulated, but he traded away Peyton Hillis for trying to bang his wife. What kind of a dynamic has to be in the locker room for something like this to even occur???southdakbearfan wrote:Well, in Denver he supposedly did the following.
Screwing with players, berating them before he had seen them play/practice. (Cutler and others)
Not listening to coordinators, at all.
Wanting too much control then blaming others for personnel failures.
Then he went to St. Louis - as OC, and their offense stunk. Like 12 PPG stunk.
So, for those interested in McDaniels tell me why? Has he ever done anything without a HOF, possibly GOAT, at QB with consistency? Not that he has had a lot of chance but what OC has looked bad with Tom Brady running the show?
What coordinator of Bellicheats has done well in the NFL? Al Groh, Romeo Crenel, Jim Schwartz, Bill O'Brien, Charlie Weiss, Eric Mangini nor McDaniels himself proved worth a crap when they got their own gigs in the NFL.
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Josh McDaniels - Just no. Too many character issues. Too many ethics questions.
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MoFugger wrote:Yeah, and after those two games were over Orton sucked againbotfly10 wrote:McD was getting crazy numbers outta Ryle fucking Ortong
hey man - respect the Neckbeard!
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Eh... I think people have the capacity to grow and change. Pace at least owes it to this organization to kick the tires on him and see what he thinks. Most 30 year olds barely have their own life in order, let alone tasked to manage a football team full of egos and attitudes.
I don't see any sure-fire names out there that will save our franchise, Nagy intrigues the hell out of me but from what I've gathered he's never been a head coach in any capacity and he's never called plays (maybe as a high school coach?) outside of playing QB in the Arena Football League and college.
I don't see any sure-fire names out there that will save our franchise, Nagy intrigues the hell out of me but from what I've gathered he's never been a head coach in any capacity and he's never called plays (maybe as a high school coach?) outside of playing QB in the Arena Football League and college.
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