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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:30 pm 
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Face it, Loggains has been tasked with trying to make a gallon of chicken salad with a half a cup of chicken shit.

We literally have Zero WR's and blocking talent/unproven TE's playing with a rookie QB. He could call a flea flicker every play, have all 11 men on defense bite and our WR's would be running bubble screens, fall down, go out of bounds, trip running into a ref or drop the ball.

Seriously, our receivers are like watching a benny hill comedy re-run.


But that's the weird thing then because our wideouts have pretty decent speed. They're all in the 4.4 range which is plenty fast. Not the fastest, but fast enough. We just got rid of Deonte Thompson who runs a 4.23. He should've either gotten open or his presence should of allowed someone else to get open.

So are they running bad routes (which is coaching) or does the play design suck (coaching)? I keep thinking that if Bill Belichick had this crew of wideouts, his O.C. would devise clever schemes to compensate for their weaknesses.

I could be wrong, but I think Dowell could do better.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:14 pm 
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southdakbearfan wrote:
Face it, Loggains has been tasked with trying to make a gallon of chicken salad with a half a cup of chicken shit.

We literally have Zero WR's and blocking talent/unproven TE's playing with a rookie QB. He could call a flea flicker every play, have all 11 men on defense bite and our WR's would be running bubble screens, fall down, go out of bounds, trip running into a ref or drop the ball.

Seriously, our receivers are like watching a benny hill comedy re-run.


But that's the weird thing then because our wideouts have pretty decent speed. They're all in the 4.4 range which is plenty fast. Not the fastest, but fast enough. We just got rid of Deonte Thompson who runs a 4.23. He should've either gotten open or his presence should of allowed someone else to get open.

So are they running bad routes (which is coaching) or does the play design suck (coaching)? I keep thinking that if Bill Belichick had this crew of wideouts, his O.C. would devise clever schemes to compensate for their weaknesses.

I could be wrong, but I think Dowell could do better.


Established Veteran QB's and Good QB's make poor Wr's OK.

Rookie QB's make poor WR's look like what they are.

When I look at a WR speed is about 3rd on the priority list for me. I'll take good routes and hands over flat out speed any day of the week.

Coaching may have something to do with it, but look at these guys.

Bellamy, Joshua UDFA - Crap for Hands, good routes, special teams player only.

Gentry, Tanner UDFA - Unproven, bad routes, hands? jump ball specialist in college? Has anyone seen enough to know?

Inman, Dontrelle UDFA - showed potential last year, with a good QB throwing him the ball? Honed his craft in the CFL prior to NFL. Hasn't played yet.

McBride III, Tre 7th Rd, Cut by Titans - not enough tape to judge anything??

Wheaton, Markus 3rd Rd, Started less than half his games, let go by steelers, perpetually snake bit with nagging injuries. Probably WR3 or 4 on a good team.

Wright, Kendall 1st Rd, Hasn't had a decent season since 2014 - Eddie Royal Part II, good routes and hands but probably a WR3 on a decent team.

So, from that list which guy just oozes that we are not getting out of them what they potentially are? Which guy on that list is a guy that can get open more often than not?

So we have a WR3, WR3-4, Inman who is what? and 3 guys that would be special teams only or not on another NFL roster.

Personally, if they want to win games now and not work on development, as much as I hate to say it, Hands like feet Bellamy needs to play because he can get open and runs good routes.

Bill Bellecheck's no name guys, two 1st rounders, 4th rd, 5th rd, 7th rd, 3 UDFA.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:47 am 
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southdakbearfan wrote:
Face it, Loggains has been tasked with trying to make a gallon of chicken salad with a half a cup of chicken shit.


comes with the job

he needs to be able to come up with a gameplan that works with the players he has, not those he wishes he had ... and if he needs different players because he simply can't work with what he has, he needs to make that lound and clear to Fox and Pace for them to do something about


southdakbearfan wrote:
We literally have Zero WR's and blocking talent/unproven TE's playing with a rookie QB. He could call a flea flicker every play, have all 11 men on defense bite and our WR's would be running bubble screens, fall down, go out of bounds, trip running into a ref or drop the ball.

Seriously, our receivers are like watching a benny hill comedy re-run.


except our receivers slapstick routine isn't particularly funny

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:50 am 
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southdakbearfan wrote:
Wounded Bear wrote:
southdakbearfan wrote:
Face it, Loggains has been tasked with trying to make a gallon of chicken salad with a half a cup of chicken shit.

We literally have Zero WR's and blocking talent/unproven TE's playing with a rookie QB. He could call a flea flicker every play, have all 11 men on defense bite and our WR's would be running bubble screens, fall down, go out of bounds, trip running into a ref or drop the ball.

Seriously, our receivers are like watching a benny hill comedy re-run.


But that's the weird thing then because our wideouts have pretty decent speed. They're all in the 4.4 range which is plenty fast. Not the fastest, but fast enough. We just got rid of Deonte Thompson who runs a 4.23. He should've either gotten open or his presence should of allowed someone else to get open.

So are they running bad routes (which is coaching) or does the play design suck (coaching)? I keep thinking that if Bill Belichick had this crew of wideouts, his O.C. would devise clever schemes to compensate for their weaknesses.

I could be wrong, but I think Dowell could do better.


Established Veteran QB's and Good QB's make poor Wr's OK.

Rookie QB's make poor WR's look like what they are.

When I look at a WR speed is about 3rd on the priority list for me. I'll take good routes and hands over flat out speed any day of the week.

Coaching may have something to do with it, but look at these guys.

Bellamy, Joshua UDFA - Crap for Hands, good routes, special teams player only.

Gentry, Tanner UDFA - Unproven, bad routes, hands? jump ball specialist in college? Has anyone seen enough to know?

Inman, Dontrelle UDFA - showed potential last year, with a good QB throwing him the ball? Honed his craft in the CFL prior to NFL. Hasn't played yet.

McBride III, Tre 7th Rd, Cut by Titans - not enough tape to judge anything??

Wheaton, Markus 3rd Rd, Started less than half his games, let go by steelers, perpetually snake bit with nagging injuries. Probably WR3 or 4 on a good team.

Wright, Kendall 1st Rd, Hasn't had a decent season since 2014 - Eddie Royal Part II, good routes and hands but probably a WR3 on a decent team.

So, from that list which guy just oozes that we are not getting out of them what they potentially are? Which guy on that list is a guy that can get open more often than not?

So we have a WR3, WR3-4, Inman who is what? and 3 guys that would be special teams only or not on another NFL roster.

Personally, if they want to win games now and not work on development, as much as I hate to say it, Hands like feet Bellamy needs to play because he can get open and runs good routes.

Bill Bellecheck's no name guys, two 1st rounders, 4th rd, 5th rd, 7th rd, 3 UDFA.




Wright and McBride seem to be the only 2 who can regularly contribute ... I'm hoping Inman can step in an become the guy ... maybe not a legit #1 on other teams, but the closest we have?

the rest should have been gone during the bye week and new candidates from the raided practice squads of better teams brought in as replacements

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:00 am 
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The more I watch Inman the more I like him... my only worry is that I haven't seen him jammed much so I don't know if it is something he can handle. Reminds me a shit-ton of Cameron Meredith, which is a good thing in my book.

Wheaton might be playing this week... curious if we line up like:

X - Inman
Z - Wheaton
F - Wright

McBride gets sprinkled in if our dudes are having issues getting off jams, etc.

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G08 wrote:
The more I watch Inman the more I like him... my only worry is that I haven't seen him jammed much so I don't know if it is something he can handle. Reminds me a shit-ton of Cameron Meredith, which is a good thing in my book.

Wheaton might be playing this week... curious if we line up like:

X - Inman
Z - Wheaton
F - Wright

McBride gets sprinkled in if our dudes are having issues getting off jams, etc.


They are very similar players, both are tall wide receivers that do all their damage in the slot.


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Wounded Bear wrote:
southdakbearfan wrote:
Face it, Loggains has been tasked with trying to make a gallon of chicken salad with a half a cup of chicken shit.

We literally have Zero WR's and blocking talent/unproven TE's playing with a rookie QB. He could call a flea flicker every play, have all 11 men on defense bite and our WR's would be running bubble screens, fall down, go out of bounds, trip running into a ref or drop the ball.

Seriously, our receivers are like watching a benny hill comedy re-run.


But that's the weird thing then because our wideouts have pretty decent speed. They're all in the 4.4 range which is plenty fast. Not the fastest, but fast enough. We just got rid of Deonte Thompson who runs a 4.23. He should've either gotten open or his presence should of allowed someone else to get open.

So are they running bad routes (which is coaching) or does the play design suck (coaching)? I keep thinking that if Bill Belichick had this crew of wideouts, his O.C. would devise clever schemes to compensate for their weaknesses.

I could be wrong, but I think Dowell could do better.
I think this is a really harsh view. First of all, just because a guy has really good straight line speed doesn't mean he can run NFL pass routes. So to basically say they're fast enough, so the coach must be the problem is a wild oversimplification. Guys have to be able to escape the jam for starters. Then they have to be able to make 90 degree cuts or stop from full speed with swift deceleration and reacceleration. And they have to be able to add a little subtle deception, to throw off their defenders a bit. That's a REALLY difficult art against starting NFL CBs, which is why there's only a few dozen guys who can do it well.

Sure, there may be some things Dowell could do better. But you can't reasonably just throw him under the bus because our non-starter quality WRs can't get open. I'll grant you that Loggains isn't Belichick. But who else is?

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Speed isn't the end-all/be-all when it comes to route-running. Kevin White is a 4.35 guy and runs routes like a 4.60 guy.

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Mikefive wrote:
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southdakbearfan wrote:
Face it, Loggains has been tasked with trying to make a gallon of chicken salad with a half a cup of chicken shit.

We literally have Zero WR's and blocking talent/unproven TE's playing with a rookie QB. He could call a flea flicker every play, have all 11 men on defense bite and our WR's would be running bubble screens, fall down, go out of bounds, trip running into a ref or drop the ball.

Seriously, our receivers are like watching a benny hill comedy re-run.


But that's the weird thing then because our wideouts have pretty decent speed. They're all in the 4.4 range which is plenty fast. Not the fastest, but fast enough. We just got rid of Deonte Thompson who runs a 4.23. He should've either gotten open or his presence should of allowed someone else to get open.

So are they running bad routes (which is coaching) or does the play design suck (coaching)? I keep thinking that if Bill Belichick had this crew of wideouts, his O.C. would devise clever schemes to compensate for their weaknesses.

I could be wrong, but I think Dowell could do better.
I think this is a really harsh view. First of all, just because a guy has really good straight line speed doesn't mean he can run NFL pass routes.

Yeah, dude, that's why I mentioned route design and route running in my initial post...

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So to basically say they're fast enough, so the coach must be the problem is a wild oversimplification.

Except for the fact that route running can be taught and speed cannot...

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[Guys have to be able to escape the jam for starters. Then they have to be able to make 90 degree cuts or stop from full speed with swift deceleration and reacceleration. And they have to be able to add a little subtle deception, to throw off their defenders a bit. That's a REALLY difficult art against starting NFL CBs, which is why there's only a few dozen guys who can do it well.

Yes, thank you for explaining route running, a factor that I mentioned in my initial post. A skill that can be taught.
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[Sure, there may be some things Dowell could do better. But you can't reasonably just throw him under the bus because our non-starter quality WRs can't get open. I'll grant you that Loggains isn't Belichick. But who else is?

Yes I can, since it is a skill that is taught or coached and that is a problem with coaching.

Deonte Thompson, another shitty Bears receiver who can't get open, compiles a paltry 125 yards in 4 games for the Bears as a wideout, but shuffles off to Buffalo and puts together 188 yards in 2 games.

It comes down to what draft pundits, former coaches, scouts, and former players say every draft (you know, guys who have experience at the highest level of the game), route running is a skill that can be taught, speed is something that either you have or you don't. Our wideouts have decent speed. Your move Bears coaching staff.

I guess what really gets me is seeing talent around the NFL where teams have coached up talent that we have jettisoned, but our fan base accustomed to mediocrity makes excuses for this loser mentality. It's what makes me think that this team, especially our fan base, deserves the likes of John Fox and Dowell Loggains.

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Reminds me a shit-ton of Cameron Meredith, which is a good thing in my book..


I was thinking the exact same thing this week. Very similar look out there.

Read a lot of Chargers fans on other forums saying that we got a steal, to be honest. He's well liked out there.


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