If we have an OC opening next year...

[G08]

Loggains was talking on the Coaches Show like a coach that thinks he's going to be back next season to continue to build around Mitch.

Do coaches ever say they don't expect to be back?

I don't know, but he wasn't asked if he expected to be back. I'm going solely off how he was talking about building and developing the offense moving forward.

[alexwilkins]

Y'all giving up on Dowell. Not me. If we put weapons around Mitch next year, and keep Vic, I think we could be in for the best coordinator duo in the NFL, biiiiiiiiitch

Whether Foxy is along for the ride, that's the real test

I think this is sarcasm but I'm not sure.

No way. I really like Dowell.

[G08]

FWIW... Matt Hasselbeck is a big fan of Dowell Loggains, thinks that Fox put the handcuffs on him... he called him a bit of a Jedi Master/Ninja Warrior drawing up pass plays and pass protections.

[bearsfaninaz]

FWIW... Matt Hasselbeck is a big fan of Dowell Loggains, thinks that Fox put the handcuffs on him... he called him a bit of a Jedi Master/Ninja Warrior drawing up pass plays and pass protections.

Well the force definitely isn't strong with Loggains from what I've seen

[Wounded Bear]

In Dowell's defense, I really like the way Trubisky's handing off skills have developed since he took over for Glennon.

[GSH]

Id be happy for Loggains to go if for no reason other than I cant stand his constant nasal sniffing at pressers!! Am i the only one who's noticed and hates it? dude sounds like he's been up all night with the bolivian marching powder. EVERY TIME.

[Moriarty]

Id be happy for Loggains to go if for no reason other than I cant stand his constant nasal sniffing at pressers!! Am i the only one who's noticed and hates it? dude sounds like he's been up all night with the bolivian marching powder. EVERY TIME.

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[Rusty Trombagent]

jerry that sweater is out of control

[o-pus #40 in B major]

In Dowell's defense, I really like the way Trubisky's handing off skills have developed since he took over for Glennon.

Hard to argue with that.

[Bears Whiskey Nut]

While Kubiak would definitely be an improvement - I'd prefer a little more 'vertical' offense for Trubisky. I'd also like a guy who has shown some ability to incorporate more of the 'college' schemes we're seeing in places like KC and Philly.

Ditto, I believe that's the way the game is going.

See the Rams yesterday? Jesus.

Who is their OC, LaFluer? I'd take im as a HC/OC.

[mshu7]

While Kubiak would definitely be an improvement - I'd prefer a little more 'vertical' offense for Trubisky. I'd also like a guy who has shown some ability to incorporate more of the 'college' schemes we're seeing in places like KC and Philly.

Ditto, I believe that's the way the game is going.

See the Rams yesterday? Jesus.

Who is their OC, LaFluer? I'd take im as a HC/OC.

Except LeFluer doesn't call the plays. He's just the OC in title. Sean McVay is the brains behind that operation.

[malk]

I find it really hard to grade Loggains this year. Between the abject lack of receivers, the inexperienced rookie QB, a defence that has been lights out and a conservative head coach.

I thought he did well with the QB shitshow last year which inclines me to give him a pass for now. Overall I suspect that his tenure is tied to Fox's for at least next year. With a new HC he's gone (perhaps unless that HC is Fangio which I don't expect). If Fox stays, so does he.

[Bears Whiskey Nut]

While Kubiak would definitely be an improvement - I'd prefer a little more 'vertical' offense for Trubisky. I'd also like a guy who has shown some ability to incorporate more of the 'college' schemes we're seeing in places like KC and Philly.

Ditto, I believe that's the way the game is going.

See the Rams yesterday? Jesus.

Who is their OC, LaFluer? I'd take im as a HC/OC.

Except LeFluer doesn't call the plays. He's just the OC in title. Sean McVay is the brains behind that operation.

OK...good to know. I wasn't aware.

[G08]

While Kubiak would definitely be an improvement - I'd prefer a little more 'vertical' offense for Trubisky. I'd also like a guy who has shown some ability to incorporate more of the 'college' schemes we're seeing in places like KC and Philly.

Ditto, I believe that's the way the game is going.

See the Rams yesterday? Jesus.

Who is their OC, LaFluer? I'd take im as a HC/OC.

Except LeFluer doesn't call the plays. He's just the OC in title. Sean McVay is the brains behind that operation.

Yeah, it's all McVay.

If Dowell Loggains is such a "Jedi master", why can't he incorporate some of what the Rams and Chiefs are doing? We have (some) of the personnel to run it effectively, damnit!

[G08]

Fox said that the game plans have been the way they are because of protection and the matchups we have with our receivers and tight ends.

So... we can't protect the kid, and our receiving targets suck, basically. With Miller going down, he thinks that Shaheen will probably be utilized more.

[Boris13c]

the Bears WR's



some sad shit right there ... Loggains needs to pull his head out and have his receivers do the same

[malk]

If Dowell Loggains is such a "Jedi master", why can't he incorporate some of what the Rams and Chiefs are doing? We have (some) of the personnel to run it effectively, damnit!

Bit harsh! When the bits that the some doesn't incorporate are QB and receivers it does make it pretty difficult. Sure Trubisky has some talent but we all knew he was going to be raw and it's clear that he's being protected from doing too much.

I really feel it'll be virtually impossible to grade Loggains' season with anything but an incomplete*.

*No pun intended but I'm quite happy with the outcome.

[BearBudMan]

I know I'm in the minority here, but I'm all for keeping Loggains next year. I think the consistency of working with the same oc will greatly benefit Mitch. Loggains isn't a world beater, but I see potential and would like to see what he could do with a hc who lets him open things up. I saw this on the other day and thought it was informative and gave a little insight into the play calling. I'm not sure if it's been posted on here yet, if so my apologies.

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Also, I'm not sure why he keeps mentioning C.J. Beathard on the video. Comparison maybe?

[Boris13c]

Also, I'm not sure why he keeps mentioning C.J. Beathard on the video. Comparison maybe?

or maybe just an idiot doing his best to try to imitate professional talking heads and being bad at it? if you're going to waste the time to throw a video on youtube, the least you should be able to do is get the players and teams right

[southdakbearfan]

Face it, Loggains has been tasked with trying to make a gallon of chicken salad with a half a cup of chicken shit.

We literally have Zero WR's and blocking talent/unproven TE's playing with a rookie QB. He could call a flea flicker every play, have all 11 men on defense bite and our WR's would be running bubble screens, fall down, go out of bounds, trip running into a ref or drop the ball.

Seriously, our receivers are like watching a benny hill comedy re-run.

[Wounded Bear]

Face it, Loggains has been tasked with trying to make a gallon of chicken salad with a half a cup of chicken shit.

We literally have Zero WR's and blocking talent/unproven TE's playing with a rookie QB. He could call a flea flicker every play, have all 11 men on defense bite and our WR's would be running bubble screens, fall down, go out of bounds, trip running into a ref or drop the ball.

Seriously, our receivers are like watching a benny hill comedy re-run.

But that's the weird thing then because our wideouts have pretty decent speed. They're all in the 4.4 range which is plenty fast. Not the fastest, but fast enough. We just got rid of Deonte Thompson who runs a 4.23. He should've either gotten open or his presence should of allowed someone else to get open.

So are they running bad routes (which is coaching) or does the play design suck (coaching)? I keep thinking that if Bill Belichick had this crew of wideouts, his O.C. would devise clever schemes to compensate for their weaknesses.

I could be wrong, but I think Dowell could do better.

[southdakbearfan]

Face it, Loggains has been tasked with trying to make a gallon of chicken salad with a half a cup of chicken shit.

We literally have Zero WR's and blocking talent/unproven TE's playing with a rookie QB. He could call a flea flicker every play, have all 11 men on defense bite and our WR's would be running bubble screens, fall down, go out of bounds, trip running into a ref or drop the ball.

Seriously, our receivers are like watching a benny hill comedy re-run.

But that's the weird thing then because our wideouts have pretty decent speed. They're all in the 4.4 range which is plenty fast. Not the fastest, but fast enough. We just got rid of Deonte Thompson who runs a 4.23. He should've either gotten open or his presence should of allowed someone else to get open.

So are they running bad routes (which is coaching) or does the play design suck (coaching)? I keep thinking that if Bill Belichick had this crew of wideouts, his O.C. would devise clever schemes to compensate for their weaknesses.

I could be wrong, but I think Dowell could do better.

Established Veteran QB's and Good QB's make poor Wr's OK.

Rookie QB's make poor WR's look like what they are.

When I look at a WR speed is about 3rd on the priority list for me. I'll take good routes and hands over flat out speed any day of the week.

Coaching may have something to do with it, but look at these guys.

Bellamy, Joshua UDFA - Crap for Hands, good routes, special teams player only.

Gentry, Tanner UDFA - Unproven, bad routes, hands? jump ball specialist in college? Has anyone seen enough to know?

Inman, Dontrelle UDFA - showed potential last year, with a good QB throwing him the ball? Honed his craft in the CFL prior to NFL. Hasn't played yet.

McBride III, Tre 7th Rd, Cut by Titans - not enough tape to judge anything??

Wheaton, Markus 3rd Rd, Started less than half his games, let go by steelers, perpetually snake bit with nagging injuries. Probably WR3 or 4 on a good team.

Wright, Kendall 1st Rd, Hasn't had a decent season since 2014 - Eddie Royal Part II, good routes and hands but probably a WR3 on a decent team.

So, from that list which guy just oozes that we are not getting out of them what they potentially are? Which guy on that list is a guy that can get open more often than not?

So we have a WR3, WR3-4, Inman who is what? and 3 guys that would be special teams only or not on another NFL roster.

Personally, if they want to win games now and not work on development, as much as I hate to say it, Hands like feet Bellamy needs to play because he can get open and runs good routes.

Bill Bellecheck's no name guys, two 1st rounders, 4th rd, 5th rd, 7th rd, 3 UDFA.

[Boris13c]

Face it, Loggains has been tasked with trying to make a gallon of chicken salad with a half a cup of chicken shit.

comes with the job

he needs to be able to come up with a gameplan that works with the players he has, not those he wishes he had ... and if he needs different players because he simply can't work with what he has, he needs to make that lound and clear to Fox and Pace for them to do something about

We literally have Zero WR's and blocking talent/unproven TE's playing with a rookie QB. He could call a flea flicker every play, have all 11 men on defense bite and our WR's would be running bubble screens, fall down, go out of bounds, trip running into a ref or drop the ball.

Seriously, our receivers are like watching a benny hill comedy re-run.

except our receivers slapstick routine isn't particularly funny

[Boris13c]

Face it, Loggains has been tasked with trying to make a gallon of chicken salad with a half a cup of chicken shit.

We literally have Zero WR's and blocking talent/unproven TE's playing with a rookie QB. He could call a flea flicker every play, have all 11 men on defense bite and our WR's would be running bubble screens, fall down, go out of bounds, trip running into a ref or drop the ball.

Seriously, our receivers are like watching a benny hill comedy re-run.

But that's the weird thing then because our wideouts have pretty decent speed. They're all in the 4.4 range which is plenty fast. Not the fastest, but fast enough. We just got rid of Deonte Thompson who runs a 4.23. He should've either gotten open or his presence should of allowed someone else to get open.

So are they running bad routes (which is coaching) or does the play design suck (coaching)? I keep thinking that if Bill Belichick had this crew of wideouts, his O.C. would devise clever schemes to compensate for their weaknesses.

I could be wrong, but I think Dowell could do better.

Established Veteran QB's and Good QB's make poor Wr's OK.

Rookie QB's make poor WR's look like what they are.

When I look at a WR speed is about 3rd on the priority list for me. I'll take good routes and hands over flat out speed any day of the week.

Coaching may have something to do with it, but look at these guys.

Bellamy, Joshua UDFA - Crap for Hands, good routes, special teams player only.

Gentry, Tanner UDFA - Unproven, bad routes, hands? jump ball specialist in college? Has anyone seen enough to know?

Inman, Dontrelle UDFA - showed potential last year, with a good QB throwing him the ball? Honed his craft in the CFL prior to NFL. Hasn't played yet.

McBride III, Tre 7th Rd, Cut by Titans - not enough tape to judge anything??

Wheaton, Markus 3rd Rd, Started less than half his games, let go by steelers, perpetually snake bit with nagging injuries. Probably WR3 or 4 on a good team.

Wright, Kendall 1st Rd, Hasn't had a decent season since 2014 - Eddie Royal Part II, good routes and hands but probably a WR3 on a decent team.

So, from that list which guy just oozes that we are not getting out of them what they potentially are? Which guy on that list is a guy that can get open more often than not?

So we have a WR3, WR3-4, Inman who is what? and 3 guys that would be special teams only or not on another NFL roster.

Personally, if they want to win games now and not work on development, as much as I hate to say it, Hands like feet Bellamy needs to play because he can get open and runs good routes.

Bill Bellecheck's no name guys, two 1st rounders, 4th rd, 5th rd, 7th rd, 3 UDFA.

Wright and McBride seem to be the only 2 who can regularly contribute ... I'm hoping Inman can step in an become the guy ... maybe not a legit #1 on other teams, but the closest we have?

the rest should have been gone during the bye week and new candidates from the raided practice squads of better teams brought in as replacements

[G08]

The more I watch Inman the more I like him... my only worry is that I haven't seen him jammed much so I don't know if it is something he can handle. Reminds me a shit-ton of Cameron Meredith, which is a good thing in my book.

Wheaton might be playing this week... curious if we line up like:

X - Inman
Z - Wheaton
F - Wright

McBride gets sprinkled in if our dudes are having issues getting off jams, etc.

[Adipost]

The more I watch Inman the more I like him... my only worry is that I haven't seen him jammed much so I don't know if it is something he can handle. Reminds me a shit-ton of Cameron Meredith, which is a good thing in my book.

Wheaton might be playing this week... curious if we line up like:

X - Inman
Z - Wheaton
F - Wright

McBride gets sprinkled in if our dudes are having issues getting off jams, etc.

They are very similar players, both are tall wide receivers that do all their damage in the slot.

[Mikefive]

Face it, Loggains has been tasked with trying to make a gallon of chicken salad with a half a cup of chicken shit.

We literally have Zero WR's and blocking talent/unproven TE's playing with a rookie QB. He could call a flea flicker every play, have all 11 men on defense bite and our WR's would be running bubble screens, fall down, go out of bounds, trip running into a ref or drop the ball.

Seriously, our receivers are like watching a benny hill comedy re-run.

But that's the weird thing then because our wideouts have pretty decent speed. They're all in the 4.4 range which is plenty fast. Not the fastest, but fast enough. We just got rid of Deonte Thompson who runs a 4.23. He should've either gotten open or his presence should of allowed someone else to get open.

So are they running bad routes (which is coaching) or does the play design suck (coaching)? I keep thinking that if Bill Belichick had this crew of wideouts, his O.C. would devise clever schemes to compensate for their weaknesses.

I could be wrong, but I think Dowell could do better.

I think this is a really harsh view. First of all, just because a guy has really good straight line speed doesn't mean he can run NFL pass routes. So to basically say they're fast enough, so the coach must be the problem is a wild oversimplification. Guys have to be able to escape the jam for starters. Then they have to be able to make 90 degree cuts or stop from full speed with swift deceleration and reacceleration. And they have to be able to add a little subtle deception, to throw off their defenders a bit. That's a REALLY difficult art against starting NFL CBs, which is why there's only a few dozen guys who can do it well.

Sure, there may be some things Dowell could do better. But you can't reasonably just throw him under the bus because our non-starter quality WRs can't get open. I'll grant you that Loggains isn't Belichick. But who else is?

[G08]

Speed isn't the end-all/be-all when it comes to route-running. Kevin White is a 4.35 guy and runs routes like a 4.60 guy.

[Wounded Bear]

Face it, Loggains has been tasked with trying to make a gallon of chicken salad with a half a cup of chicken shit.

We literally have Zero WR's and blocking talent/unproven TE's playing with a rookie QB. He could call a flea flicker every play, have all 11 men on defense bite and our WR's would be running bubble screens, fall down, go out of bounds, trip running into a ref or drop the ball.

Seriously, our receivers are like watching a benny hill comedy re-run.

But that's the weird thing then because our wideouts have pretty decent speed. They're all in the 4.4 range which is plenty fast. Not the fastest, but fast enough. We just got rid of Deonte Thompson who runs a 4.23. He should've either gotten open or his presence should of allowed someone else to get open.

So are they running bad routes (which is coaching) or does the play design suck (coaching)? I keep thinking that if Bill Belichick had this crew of wideouts, his O.C. would devise clever schemes to compensate for their weaknesses.

I could be wrong, but I think Dowell could do better.

I think this is a really harsh view. First of all, just because a guy has really good straight line speed doesn't mean he can run NFL pass routes.

Yeah, dude, that's why I mentioned route design and route running in my initial post...

So to basically say they're fast enough, so the coach must be the problem is a wild oversimplification.

Except for the fact that route running can be taught and speed cannot...

[Guys have to be able to escape the jam for starters. Then they have to be able to make 90 degree cuts or stop from full speed with swift deceleration and reacceleration. And they have to be able to add a little subtle deception, to throw off their defenders a bit. That's a REALLY difficult art against starting NFL CBs, which is why there's only a few dozen guys who can do it well.

Yes, thank you for explaining route running, a factor that I mentioned in my initial post. A skill that can be taught.

[Sure, there may be some things Dowell could do better. But you can't reasonably just throw him under the bus because our non-starter quality WRs can't get open. I'll grant you that Loggains isn't Belichick. But who else is?

Yes I can, since it is a skill that is taught or coached and that is a problem with coaching.

Deonte Thompson, another shitty Bears receiver who can't get open, compiles a paltry 125 yards in 4 games for the Bears as a wideout, but shuffles off to Buffalo and puts together 188 yards in 2 games.

It comes down to what draft pundits, former coaches, scouts, and former players say every draft (you know, guys who have experience at the highest level of the game), route running is a skill that can be taught, speed is something that either you have or you don't. Our wideouts have decent speed. Your move Bears coaching staff.

I guess what really gets me is seeing talent around the NFL where teams have coached up talent that we have jettisoned, but our fan base accustomed to mediocrity makes excuses for this loser mentality. It's what makes me think that this team, especially our fan base, deserves the likes of John Fox and Dowell Loggains.

[Richie]

Reminds me a shit-ton of Cameron Meredith, which is a good thing in my book..

I was thinking the exact same thing this week. Very similar look out there.

Read a lot of Chargers fans on other forums saying that we got a steal, to be honest. He's well liked out there.