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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:27 am 
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The Josh Bellamy play rings true in my head, I'm of the opinion if he wasn't coached to eat it unless the play was wide open, he would have completed that pass.

And for the record, I loved Jay Cutler :)

So did I. Pretty sure we were the only ones. But the easiest way to turn everyone against you and shake your confidence as a rookie QB is to sling the ball all over the field with no weapons and throw a shit ton of picks. Aside from the predictability of the offense, I have zero problems with how Trubisky is being handled.


I understand protecting the football, but I hate that they are legislating his playmaking out of him. That was one of the invaluable traits I saw in him.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:37 am 
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The Josh Bellamy play rings true in my head, I'm of the opinion if he wasn't coached to eat it unless the play was wide open, he would have completed that pass.

And for the record, I loved Jay Cutler :)

So did I. Pretty sure we were the only ones. But the easiest way to turn everyone against you and shake your confidence as a rookie QB is to sling the ball all over the field with no weapons and throw a shit ton of picks. Aside from the predictability of the offense, I have zero problems with how Trubisky is being handled.


I understand protecting the football, but I hate that they are legislating his playmaking out of him. That was one of the invaluable traits I saw in him.

I don't think you can definitively say that it's being coached out of him. I think he's doing what he's told, which shows me something. I don't think you can coach playmaking out of a QB. And if you can, he had no business being the #2 pick. Plus he's mentioned opening up the offense in nearly every post game press conference.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:39 am 
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wab wrote:
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The Josh Bellamy play rings true in my head, I'm of the opinion if he wasn't coached to eat it unless the play was wide open, he would have completed that pass.

And for the record, I loved Jay Cutler :)

So did I. Pretty sure we were the only ones. But the easiest way to turn everyone against you and shake your confidence as a rookie QB is to sling the ball all over the field with no weapons and throw a shit ton of picks. Aside from the predictability of the offense, I have zero problems with how Trubisky is being handled.


I understand protecting the football, but I hate that they are legislating his playmaking out of him. That was one of the invaluable traits I saw in him.

I don't think you can definitively say that it's being coached out of him. I think he's doing what he's told, which shows me something. I don't think you can coach playmaking out of a QB. And if you can, he had no business being the #2 pick. Plus he's mentioned opening up the offense in nearly every post game press conference.


Best example I can think of is look at his FSU game and Stanford games last season in college. His eyes were up, he was maneuvering inside the pocket, he was making throws on the run, etc.

Here? He panics, he's holding onto the ball (which he said was a coaching point to him) and really if someone isn't wide open he's not letting it rip (Josh Bellamy off that boot action, no excuse to not throw that ball yet the kid paused. I HATED seeing that). He's consistently inaccurate at times each game and I will have to go and do a side-by-side comparison but I think his mechanics have gotten worse (upper body, looks like he's winding up which is slowing down his release. lower body he's locking his front leg and he's losing velocity on his throws). Small examples but I just don't like the way this is heading based on his 5 games thus far.

I'm not saying he needs to be rookie-year Russel Wilson... but shit man, this is a strength of the kid. Let him make some plays off script.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:05 pm 
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RustyTrubisky wrote:
god damn grasu was on skates the entire game. trubs rarely could completely step into his throws because the pocket was always collapsing in front of him. grasu probably should have been called for holding on the wide open throw to inman. (1:00).

i would actually love to see all his misses now, and see how the collapsing pocket is hurting his mechanics.

also, i'm smitten with inman. it stood out in his chargers highlights and we saw it today: dude's a natural hands catcher.
Great observation about Grasu. I've felt that way about him without watching the tape. But this confirms.

Inman is interesting as he's been compared to Meredith. But Inman seems thinner to me and may be a slightly better cutter, although Meredith is certainly a pretty good route guy. A lot to like there.

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RustyTrubisky wrote:
god damn grasu was on skates the entire game. trubs rarely could completely step into his throws because the pocket was always collapsing in front of him. grasu probably should have been called for holding on the wide open throw to inman. (1:00).

i would actually love to see all his misses now, and see how the collapsing pocket is hurting his mechanics.

also, i'm smitten with inman. it stood out in his chargers highlights and we saw it today: dude's a natural hands catcher.


Yeah, we need to explore other alternatives and move on from Grasu even as a backup.

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god damn grasu was on skates the entire game. trubs rarely could completely step into his throws because the pocket was always collapsing in front of him. grasu probably should have been called for holding on the wide open throw to inman. (1:00).

i would actually love to see all his misses now, and see how the collapsing pocket is hurting his mechanics.

also, i'm smitten with inman. it stood out in his chargers highlights and we saw it today: dude's a natural hands catcher.


Yeah, we need to explore other alternatives and move on from Grasu even as a backup.


But if a Stud Center was sitting there in the middle of the first round it would be retarded to pick him. Because neither he or Whitehair could bump out to guard when Long or Sitton go down to injury next year. Lol


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I'm still not sure why everyone is so upset about Trubisky taking sacks when there's nothing there. Especially after we just ran a guy out of town who did a lot of what you guys are suggesting Trubisky do.

Bears have 10yr vet who is an athletic gunslinger with huge arm that tries to make something out of nothing, with solid talent around him, which still works against him more often than not. Bears fans hate him for it and chastise coaches for not telling him to be more careful with the ball. Bears ultimately run him out of town.

Bears have rookie that has started like 16 games since high school who is an athletic gunslinger with huge arm that tries to protect the ball rather than make something out of nothing, with less than adequate talent around him. Bears fans don't hate him for it because he's not the other guy, but chastise coaches for apparently turning him into a pussy.

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Honestly I'd rather see him slang it around and risk the INT instead of taking a sack on purpose or maybe just throw it away like he did before he started taking the sacks 3 games ago, taking sacks like he does is for cucks. I think the coaches are turning him into a puss with that CHIT, it definitely wasn't his style of play in his short career as a college starter. Let him have the bad games as a rook so he can develop into a star, what good is watching the tape on Mondays and getting slapped on the ass by your coaches for not fumbling while you go to the ground?


Yeah. Protecting the ball rather than throwing it into coverage because you don't have a WR that can separate is totally for "cucks".

Protect the ball, don't develop bad habits, learn the game, get better. Sounds super stupid.

I'm all for protecting the ball over interceptions. Those will happen, but no need to just shrug them off.

I would prefer, though, if they were encouraging him to throw the ball away rather than take sacks.


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Doesn't anyone think that by now Tru has "protecting the ball" down pat? I mean, there's literally just two ways to do it, throw it away or take a sack. Might as well let him air it out from here on out if we want to see why they selected him #2 overall. I believe and want to think Tru is a guy who you win because of throwing and commanding an offense, not because he can really take a sack with the best of them, or just hand that off. Those game manager types don't win Superbowls without great defense and luck. Coaching the gunslinger out of Tru could be the worst thing for him.


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wab wrote:
I'm still not sure why everyone is so upset about Trubisky taking sacks when there's nothing there. Especially after we just ran a guy out of town who did a lot of what you guys are suggesting Trubisky do.

Bears have 10yr vet who is an athletic gunslinger with huge arm that tries to make something out of nothing, with solid talent around him, which still works against him more often than not. Bears fans hate him for it and chastise coaches for not telling him to be more careful with the ball. Bears ultimately run him out of town.

Bears have rookie that has started like 16 games since high school who is an athletic gunslinger with huge arm that tries to protect the ball rather than make something out of nothing, with less than adequate talent around him. Bears fans don't hate him for it because he's not the other guy, but chastise coaches for apparently turning him into a pussy.

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Wow, that is a harsh slant on how some of us feel, and a totally apologetic view of Cutler.

First, there is a happy balance between the two extremes you describe and until Trubusky pushes the limits he will never know where that threshold is. It's his rookie year, I want him to learn at the expense of conservatism. This last game he was throwing a bit more and he looked good. But it seemed like Watson was given a play and given the OK to improvise if needed...on many plays.

Second, Cutler had 3 bad faults.
-He rarely threw his WR open. He had to see him open first.
-He believed that his arm could compensate for defenders having position
-He made reads slow and held the ball too long even when he had protection.

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I'm still not sure why everyone is so upset about Trubisky taking sacks when there's nothing there. Especially after we just ran a guy out of town who did a lot of what you guys are suggesting Trubisky do.

Bears have 10yr vet who is an athletic gunslinger with huge arm that tries to make something out of nothing, with solid talent around him, which still works against him more often than not. Bears fans hate him for it and chastise coaches for not telling him to be more careful with the ball. Bears ultimately run him out of town.

Bears have rookie that has started like 16 games since high school who is an athletic gunslinger with huge arm that tries to protect the ball rather than make something out of nothing, with less than adequate talent around him. Bears fans don't hate him for it because he's not the other guy, but chastise coaches for apparently turning him into a pussy.

#Bearsfans


Wow, that is a harsh slant on how some of us feel, and a totally apologetic view of Cutler.

First, there is a happy balance between the two extremes you describe and until Trubusky pushes the limits he will never know where that threshold is. It's his rookie year, I want him to learn at the expense of conservatism. This last game he was throwing a bit more and he looked good. But it seemed like Watson was given a play and given the OK to improvise if needed...on many plays.

Second, Cutler had 3 bad faults.
-He rarely threw his WR open. He had to see him open first.
-He believed that his arm could compensate for defenders having position
-He made reads slow and held the ball too long even when he had protection.


Way to miss the point. Philosophically people are wanting Trubisky to do almost EXACTLY what they didn't want Cutler to do. Air it out and see what happens. Let it rip. Interceptions be damned.


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