49ers game is Ryan Pace's most important so far

Mikefive · Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:38 pm

Was thinking about this this morning. Up to now, Pace has avoided being the focus of the fan wrath. But that could change in a big way this week.

Consider the following scenario. We play the 49ers this week at home. A team we beat in a similar scenario last year about the same time of the year. What happens if, Chicago favorite son Jimmy Garoppolo puts up 250 and a couple of TDs against our supposedly good defense, while Mitch Trubisky flounders again and it's another loss as home favorites, this time to the 1-10 Niners?

If that happens, all the media talk will be about how the Bears COULD have had Garoppolo last year by giving up the #3 pick, kept the additional draft picks they gave up and gotten a clearly better QB. The finger of blame will be pointed squarely at Ryan Pace. And the fact that the Bears have worse offensive weapons for Biscuit will only fan the flames as that's his fault as well.

Nevermind that giving up the #3 pick wasn't good value for Garoppolo and the Pats ended up getting only a high R2 pick. Nevermind that the OL is kind of in shambles right now and the receiving group has been pretty well decimated by injuries. Nevermind that we're missing significant starters on defense. None of that will matter.

Hamp and O'B will be screaming. For the 5th week in a row. We're 0-fer as home favorites this year. Only now, the spotlight will shift to Pace. It is also Pace who has decided to hang onto the object of vocal fan angst for several weeks now... John Fox.

And if we do lose to the 49ers and fans are suddenly screaming for Pace's head, look for John Fox to get the axe. By Monday at the latest.

G08 · Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:40 pm

I hear what you're saying but I don't think Pace is going anywhere. George was told by Pace that this rebuild is going to take time, it's going to happen through the draft, and George said he understood.

Fox is a dead-man walking, as he should be.

bearsfaninaz · Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:54 pm

Garropolo been in the league longer. Has had the luxury to learn behind the best coaches around and not a bad QB in Brady too. The thing with him is this. He's played 2 games and got hurt in his 3rd. If he plays well San Fran has to either franchise him out sign him to a crazy contract. We have Trubisky cheap for 5 years. I'll take that deal everytime with a promising QB opposed to another possible Glennon.

Richie · Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:02 pm

Eh... That's more than a bit melodramatic.

Will there be sensationalist articles put out by journalists? Sure, that's their job.

However, the overwhelming majority are not going to crown Jimmy G a franchise QB for the next 10 years, because of one good game vs the 3-8 Bears. While simultaneously stamping the official bust label on Trubisky in his 8th career start.

Rusty Trombagent · Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:03 pm

yeah it seems completely inane to jump to that conclusion if the 49ers do well tomorrow. pace isnt interested in giving the HC job to loggains or fangio. he knows the players love fox and isnt going to fuck up the locker room kicking him to the curb during the season. just because fox is still around does not mean that he's in our long term plans anymore.

Richie · Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:11 pm

RustyTrubisky wrote:yeah it seems completely inane to jump to that conclusion if the 49ers do well tomorrow. pace isnt interested in giving the HC job to loggains or fangio. he knows the players love fox and isnt going to fuck up the locker room kicking him to the curb during the season. just because fox is still around does not mean that he's in our long term plans anymore.

I will say that this is a really big game for Trubisky. Last week was his first true taste of REAL adversity in the NFL. As in, zero positives. He did nothing well, and there was not a single thing you could spin in his direction.

How he responds will say a lot about him. Up until now, I've had moments of excitement, and also of reservation. This is the first time where I am saying we really need to see something out of the kid.

Atkins&Rebel · Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:22 pm

Lets see Garoppolo last more than 2 games before we crown him as the missed opportunity to save our franchise. I mean we have 0 pass rush, good to average cover guys and a depleted LB corp. Garappolo should have a field day with us.

Richie · Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:34 pm

Atkins&Rebel wrote:Lets see Garoppolo last more than 2 games before we crown him as the missed opportunity to save our franchise. I mean we have 0 pass rush, good to average cover guys and a depleted LB corp. Garappolo should have a field day with us.

Yeah, since heading into the bye week, the injuries have rendered this defense to being just about league average. IMO. We were playing like a top 5 D for a stretch, but given everything that's happened. I don't think it's any longer a feather in your cap, to have beaten us up a bit with your offense.

botfly10 · Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:23 pm

It doesn't matter what people think. The mob is stupid and it's not going to affect Pace just like it didn't affect Angelo or Lovie.

Garoppolo damn well should look better than Trubs. Even though he is new with the niners, the guy has had years to digest nfl QB fundamentals.

Doesn't fucking matter what people think right now or next Tuesday because its going to take 2-3 years to get a picture of Trubs - a fact exacerbated by shit coaching and a shit offensive roster. Look at all the retards losing their mind over Goff last year.

Sure, there is evidence that concern over Trubs development is warranted. But anyone sounding the alarm this early is fucking stupid and can be safely ignored. Besides, the bears FO is incompetent enough without trying to appease fucking retarded mobs.

Funkster · Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:31 pm

G08 wrote:I hear what you're saying but I don't think Pace is going anywhere. George was told by Pace that this rebuild is going to take time, it's going to happen through the draft, and George said he understood.

Fox is a dead-man walking, as he should be.

Agreed. This game has zero impact or importance on Pace' future. He has drafted good players. He has missed some in free agency but the talent pool wasn't to high and almost all of the FA signings ended up with football related injuries. I don't believe you can pin those on Pace. Moving forward, whoever Pace brings in to fill the coaching vacancies and how Trubisky is developed, will either make or break Pace. I believe from here on out, Pace controls his future. One thing is for sure, good teams don't regularly turn over their front office. Moving forward the Bears need stability.

MoFugger · Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:58 pm

Richie wrote:
Atkins&Rebel wrote:Lets see Garoppolo last more than 2 games before we crown him as the missed opportunity to save our franchise. I mean we have 0 pass rush, good to average cover guys and a depleted LB corp. Garappolo should have a field day with us.
Yeah, since heading into the bye week, the injuries have rendered this defense to being just about league average. IMO. We were playing like a top 5 D for a stretch, but given everything that's happened. I don't think it's any longer a feather in your cap, to have beaten us up a bit with your offense.

Top 5 defenses get turnovers.

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BR0D1E86 · Sat Dec 02, 2017 7:55 pm

MoFugger wrote:
Richie wrote:
Atkins&Rebel wrote:Lets see Garoppolo last more than 2 games before we crown him as the missed opportunity to save our franchise. I mean we have 0 pass rush, good to average cover guys and a depleted LB corp. Garappolo should have a field day with us.
Yeah, since heading into the bye week, the injuries have rendered this defense to being just about league average. IMO. We were playing like a top 5 D for a stretch, but given everything that's happened. I don't think it's any longer a feather in your cap, to have beaten us up a bit with your offense.
Top 5 defenses get turnovers.

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They were starting to come before the mass wave of injuries, but honestly that’s been more of an aberration since Fangio got here than the norm.

Adipost · Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:54 am

I don’t remember who it was on the radio the other day, but he said this is gonna be the most important game in Trubisky’s overall development at QB. Coming off his worst game as a pro, and going up against a really bad team, he said that Trubisky has to step up.

Mikefive · Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:21 am

I've seen a lot of good arguments in this thread, principally that from a logical standpoint, this game really shouldn't matter that much and that the logic I used wasn't particularly good. I completely agree with that.

But I guess I didn't express my point clearly enough. That point is that the emotional mob of Bear fans in general who aren't as knowledgeable and thoughtful as we are here could have a powerful response to us losing this game--the focal point of which is Ryan Pace instead of the already throughly castigated John Fox. And we all know that media types who love to fan emotional flames (generating their much needed clicks) will feed into this.

And while mob reaction shouldn't rule what goes on in Halas Hall, there's no question that the McKnuckleheads hear what the fans say--particularly when they say it with empty seats on game day.

My conclusion point that Foxie would be fired would be Pace doing what the Bears have never done before and therefore something they don't prefer to do. But it would be Pace's way of responding to fans in a way that may not only placate them a bit, but also to redirect the focus away from him and lay the blame at Fox's feet.

(One thing I've learned with message boards is that sometimes you state your opinion and other times it's about what you feel others (like the Bears organization or members of it or fans broadly) think. Those things get conflated a lot as it's hard for the reader to not presume it's what the author thinks, even if he/she is guessing the thoughts of someone else.)

MoFugger · Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:44 am

BR0D1E86 wrote:
MoFugger wrote:
Richie wrote:
Atkins&Rebel wrote:Lets see Garoppolo last more than 2 games before we crown him as the missed opportunity to save our franchise. I mean we have 0 pass rush, good to average cover guys and a depleted LB corp. Garappolo should have a field day with us.
Yeah, since heading into the bye week, the injuries have rendered this defense to being just about league average. IMO. We were playing like a top 5 D for a stretch, but given everything that's happened. I don't think it's any longer a feather in your cap, to have beaten us up a bit with your offense.
Top 5 defenses get turnovers.

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They were starting to come before the mass wave of injuries, but honestly that’s been more of an aberration since Fangio got here than the norm.

Without looking it up, and making this statement with absolutely no factual basis to back it up, I could swear that half of our Seasons turnovers came in one game.

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Mikefive · Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:56 pm

Now we get to see the fan reaction. Garoppolo throws for 293 and sets up 5 FGs by Bears castoff Robbie Gould. (Is that on John Fox or Ryan Pace?) On offense, the Bears have have fewer yards than Garoppolo throws for and can only score 7 points against a 1-10 team.

Ryan Pace becomes Satan to the Bears fan mob.

The Marshall Plan · Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:15 pm

Adipost wrote:I don’t remember who it was on the radio the other day, but he said this is gonna be the most important game in Trubisky’s overall development at QB. Coming off his worst game as a pro, and going up against a really bad team, he said that Trubisky has to step up.

With what offensive weapons exactly?

botfly10 · Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:37 pm

Mikefive wrote:Now we get to see the fan reaction. Garoppolo throws for 293 and sets up 5 FGs by Bears castoff Robbie Gould. (Is that on John Fox or Ryan Pace?) On offense, the Bears have have fewer yards than Garoppolo throws for and can only score 7 points against a 1-10 team.

Ryan Pace becomes Satan to the Bears fan mob.

who cares tho?

Bears Whiskey Nut · Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:40 pm

Adipost wrote:I don’t remember who it was on the radio the other day, but he said this is gonna be the most important game in Trubisky’s overall development at QB. Coming off his worst game as a pro, and going up against a really bad team, he said that Trubisky has to step up.

This is the point I was trying to make in the game thread. This was a chance for the Bears to open up Biscuits a little bit, and they both failed. Personally I think the Bears coaching staff has Trubisky playing scared.

Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:43 pm

Everyone is half assing it right now so I don’t really take much of anything this team does seriously.

mmmc_35 · Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:55 pm

This off season we all questioned this rosters construction. Then they drafted a QB and we forgot about that gripe. It's still clear this roster was and is shit.

docc · Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:38 pm

Pretty sure Trubiskey is not allowed much freedom in calls,,maybe limited if at all.. The game plan is stupid..the run offense incompetent..roster is scrubs..walk ins..and soon waived nobodies..

Mikefive · Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:11 pm

wab wrote:Everyone is half assing it right now so I don’t really take much of anything this team does seriously.

I hear that said often when things go bad. But I can't believe it. Players are playing for their next jobs. They know everything is on tape. And coaches like Loggains know they're coaching for their career as well. The only one who could fall into that category you speak of is Foxie, who probably figures he's done after this year.

Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:35 pm

Half-assing it might not be the best way to describe it, but you can see a lack of "something" when they are playing. They are defeated, they know it's a lost season. And you can tell there are guys are on autopilot who are playing out the string.

The notion of "playing for your job" is a little overblown in the NFL. Most of these guys are going to have jobs regardless.

The Marshall Plan · Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:33 am

mmmc_35 wrote:This off season we all questioned this rosters construction. Then they drafted a QB and we forgot about that gripe. It's still clear this roster was and is shit.

Like I'm sure most if not all of you guys I was shocked they drafted a QB let alone pulled the trade that they did.

They just signed Glennon. The Bears were almost guaranteed to have another high choice in 2018, but this time in a QB rich draft. To me it seemed like the ideal time to grab a franchise player on defense (which was BPA at the time) and see what happens.

I was hopeful for any combination of Garret, Thomas, or selling the pick and moving down in the first round.

I didn't see that trade coming and the focus went there.

On the plus side of the whole thing, Biscuit has potential to be the guy and we'll have a high draft choice where a good amount of QBs will be taken, which we won't need to and then we'll have options of BPA or trading it.

bearsfaninaz · Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:16 pm

The Marshall Plan wrote:
mmmc_35 wrote:This off season we all questioned this rosters construction. Then they drafted a QB and we forgot about that gripe. It's still clear this roster was and is shit.
Like I'm sure most if not all of you guys I was shocked they drafted a QB let alone pulled the trade that they did.

They just signed Glennon. The Bears were almost guaranteed to have another high choice in 2018, but this time in a QB rich draft. To me it seemed like the ideal time to grab a franchise player on defense (which was BPA at the time) and see what happens.

I was hopeful for any combination of Garret, Thomas, or selling the pick and moving down in the first round.

I didn't see that trade coming and the focus went there.

On the plus side of the whole thing, Biscuit has potential to be the guy and we'll have a high draft choice where a good amount of QBs will be taken, which we won't need to and then we'll have options of BPA or trading it.

What's so quarterback rich in this class?

BR0D1E86 · Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:24 pm

bearsfaninaz wrote:
The Marshall Plan wrote:
mmmc_35 wrote:This off season we all questioned this rosters construction. Then they drafted a QB and we forgot about that gripe. It's still clear this roster was and is shit.
Like I'm sure most if not all of you guys I was shocked they drafted a QB let alone pulled the trade that they did.

They just signed Glennon. The Bears were almost guaranteed to have another high choice in 2018, but this time in a QB rich draft. To me it seemed like the ideal time to grab a franchise player on defense (which was BPA at the time) and see what happens.

I was hopeful for any combination of Garret, Thomas, or selling the pick and moving down in the first round.

I didn't see that trade coming and the focus went there.

On the plus side of the whole thing, Biscuit has potential to be the guy and we'll have a high draft choice where a good amount of QBs will be taken, which we won't need to and then we'll have options of BPA or trading it.
What's so quarterback rich in this class?

I've read a few scouts takes that none of the quarterbacks in this draft should be rated as highly as any of the top 3 last year. And no, don't ask me to go finding the tweets and random stories I read months ago.

The Marshall Plan · Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:25 pm

bearsfaninaz wrote:
The Marshall Plan wrote:
mmmc_35 wrote:This off season we all questioned this rosters construction. Then they drafted a QB and we forgot about that gripe. It's still clear this roster was and is shit.
Like I'm sure most if not all of you guys I was shocked they drafted a QB let alone pulled the trade that they did.

They just signed Glennon. The Bears were almost guaranteed to have another high choice in 2018, but this time in a QB rich draft. To me it seemed like the ideal time to grab a franchise player on defense (which was BPA at the time) and see what happens.

I was hopeful for any combination of Garret, Thomas, or selling the pick and moving down in the first round.

I didn't see that trade coming and the focus went there.

On the plus side of the whole thing, Biscuit has potential to be the guy and we'll have a high draft choice where a good amount of QBs will be taken, which we won't need to and then we'll have options of BPA or trading it.
What's so quarterback rich in this class?

I'm not a scout so I don't know, but that was the talk at the time how the 2018 draft class had QBs to be taken at the top.

Rusty Trombagent · Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:30 pm

imagine if pace didnt draft a QB, and we went through this whole season with mike fucking glennon.

imagine if his plan all along was to wait til 2018, because he expected there to be better qb's available.

imagine going through the whole season with mike fucking glennon, and watching deshaun watson light it up with the texans.

now imagine it's the 2018 draft, and we've got both cleveland and the giants ahead of us taking a qb. and maybe even denver! hell, cincinatti could still slip under us and they could decide, if there's a qb there, to draft dalton's replacement. maybe they finally got rid of marvin lewis and their new coach wants his own qb.

if pace had actually gone that route, it would be legal in chicago to murder him.

The Marshall Plan · Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:35 pm

RustyTrubisky wrote:imagine if pace didnt draft a QB, and we went through this whole season with mike fucking glennon.

imagine if his plan all along was to wait til 2018, because he expected there to be better qb's available.

imagine going through the whole season with mike fucking glennon, and watching deshaun watson light it up with the texans.

now imagine it's the 2018 draft, and we've got both cleveland and the giants ahead of us taking a qb. and maybe even denver! hell, cincinatti could still slip under us and they could decide, if there's a qb there, to draft dalton's replacement. maybe they finally got rid of marvin lewis and their new coach wants his own qb.

if pace had actually gone that route, it would be legal in chicago to murder him.

Not if he gave up a 2nd to get Jimmy G.