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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:24 pm 
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Good read, parrots what I say about us forcing him to be under center and not trying to incorporate plays and concepts that play to his clear strengths.

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2017/11/1 ... t-check-in

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Like you say G08, the article doesn't really say anything we haven't already on this board... but man seeing some of those stats written down is a pretty damning indictment of Loggains and Fox:

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Overall, he’s averaged just 23 pass attempts per game, with head coach John Fox and offensive coordinator Dowell Loggains instead leaning heavily on their run game for a league-high 54 percent rate since Trubisky was named the starter.

Trubisky lined up in the shotgun on nearly 98 percent of his dropbacks in college. Since he took over as starter, the Bears have lined up with Trubisky under center on a league-high 63 percent of his snaps.

Since Week 5, the team has run the ball 83 times on first down compared with throwing just 35 times—making it much too easy for opposing defenses to stack the box and stuff the play.

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For Trubisky, this season has a similar feel to Jared Goff’s rookie year under Jeff Fisher

In a season where Fox and Loggains are presumably trying to keep their jobs, it doesn't make any sense to me for them to be so predictable running the ball, particularly on first down 70% of the time, and consistently leaving Trubisky in a situation where the offense is behind the chains as a result.

In a season where Fox and Loggains are presumably trying to keep their jobs, it doesn't make any sense to me for them to have Trubisky run plays under center more than any other quarterback in the league when he played almost exclusively from the shotgun in college, even more so when you consider that Howard averaged 7 yards a carry running out of the shotgun last year.

In a season where Fox and Loggains are presumably trying to keep their jobs, it doesn't make any sense to me for them to put themselves in a position where they're being compared to Jeff Fisher!

It's almost as if they have a mindset that having Trubisky play so much from under center is what needs to happen for him to adapt to an NFL offense going forward without worrying about the present despite the fact that it will almost certainly cost them their jobs and in Loggains case any hope he might have of ever being a co-ordinator again let alone a head coach.

It's the exact opposite to the approach other teams who are having success with their young QBs are taking. They're integrating concepts their QBs were comfortable with in college into their schemes whilst introducing them to NFL concepts, providing a balance between familiarity and progression and easing their transition into the professional game with a gentler learning curve. Loggains and Fox just seem to be wedded to a sky high learning curve, dumping everything on Trubisky whilst drilling into him that it's better to play it safe than risk a turnover.

Maybe if he survives it, this approach will pay dividends in the future, but the slower, smoother option certainly seems to me to be the safer choice not least because it must be better for a young QB's confidence.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:02 pm 
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watching this Bears offense reminds me of the inglorious days of John "Poop" Shoop and his 8 play offensive playbook written in Crayon

innovation? designing plays to take advantage of the defense instead of the other way around? allowing a check from a run to a pass when faced with a 9 man front? bah - who needs that stuff?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:54 am 
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Chris Spielman on Mitch Trubisky:

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“The past few weeks that I’ve been out to (Bears) practice he’s always there and he’s never leaving. He’s always working. So when the defense is up and the offense is off the field, Mitchell Trubisky’s grabbing wide receivers and tight ends and working on foot work and routes in drills.

He never stops. So he doesn’t like take a knee and watch the defense practice. He’s over there wanting to get better. He has the mentality, he has a presence about him. I think he has the respect of his players and at least from the Monday Night game against the Vikings until last week I think we’ve seen tremendous growth.”


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:40 am 
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Chris Spielman on Mitch Trubisky:

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“The past few weeks that I’ve been out to (Bears) practice he’s always there and he’s never leaving. He’s always working. So when the defense is up and the offense is off the field, Mitchell Trubisky’s grabbing wide receivers and tight ends and working on foot work and routes in drills.

He never stops. So he doesn’t like take a knee and watch the defense practice. He’s over there wanting to get better. He has the mentality, he has a presence about him. I think he has the respect of his players and at least from the Monday Night game against the Vikings until last week I think we’ve seen tremendous growth.”


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luv 2 grab tight ends


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:19 am 
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RustyTrubisky wrote:
luv 2 grab tight ends



that can be fun ... there's a particular bartender at my local watering hole who should simply charge everyone a $1 for the honor of watching her walk in ... I'll see if I can get a nice shot of her in action next time I'm there ... she has an ass to die for

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:25 am 
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G08 wrote:
Good read, parrots what I say about us forcing him to be under center and not trying to incorporate plays and concepts that play to his clear strengths.

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2017/11/1 ... t-check-in


all stuff we've been discussing ... and all very true


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Like you say G08, the article doesn't really say anything we haven't already on this board... but man seeing some of those stats written down is a pretty damning indictment of Loggains and Fox

And perhaps the most damning indictment of many in the article:
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For Trubisky, this season has a similar feel to Jared Goff’s rookie year under Jeff Fisher


In a season where Fox and Loggains are presumably trying to keep their jobs, it doesn't make any sense to me for them to be so predictable running the ball, particularly on first down 70% of the time, and consistently leaving Trubisky in a situation where the offense is behind the chains as a result.


agreed ... it doesn't make sense

Trubisky should have gotten the same open book initiation Carson Wentz did ... when Wentz won the job, they rode him for all he was worth and accepted his mistakes as part of his natural learning curve ... now look at him - a legitimate MVP candidate in just his second year

the main difference is Trubisky was never going to start opening day regardless of how well he did or didn't do in preseason ... in hindsight, Pace did Trubisky a disservice by not allowing him even the opportunity to win the job on merit as a rookie (and yes, that is on Pace for his Glennon deal)

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:27 am 
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I re-watched the game yesterday and came away very impressed with the kid's poise. That 4th down scramble was beautiful, and really the following dart he threw to Inman was equally impressive.

I wish he was more accurate (which was supposed to be a strength of his) but I suppose/hope that will come in time.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:33 am 
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I think his inaccuracy is a direct result of him trying to curb his efforts as he has been instructed to do rather than just allowing the natural flow of the game and circumstances dictate his actions

the Bears need to remove the muzzle and just let the kid play and quit screwing with him with outdated mandates of how he should do things

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