Rumor: Bears have list of 2018 head coach prospects
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From 2015Adam Caplan
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Countless coaches, execs who have worked with DeFilippo have raved about him. Think hire is a home-run for Browns.
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Great find! Flip is my top choice at this point. I think he's a perfect fit with Pace / Trubiaky.G08 wrote:From 2015Adam Caplan
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Countless coaches, execs who have worked with DeFilippo have raved about him. Think hire is a home-run for Browns.
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He's my top choice right now... Greg Knapp (take it for what it's worth) said to not discount him because of his youth, he's like another Adam Gase.
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I did some digging into Matt Nagy as a coaching candidate as his name gets out there in the coaching circles. I found a very interesting option and a very interesting offense and I would feel pretty good about a Matt Nagy hire for the Bears.
Personal
39 years old
College QB: Delaware
Arena League QB: 02-08
-I am a fan that he has played the QB position. I think there is a unique mental angle to the position that if difficult to understand if you have not played the position. That is not saying you cannot be a great QB coach without it, but it is a unique position in sports with the pressure and demands on you everyday as a leader.
Coaching
2008-2012 Philadelphia Eagles [Offensive Quality Control]
2013-2015 Kansas City Chiefs [QB Coach]
2016-2017 Kansas City Chiefs [Offensive Coordinator]
-I like that Andy Ried has kept him around for almost a decade. When a great coach sees talent my guess is that he ensures you stay close.
-Ried has spoken very highly of Nagy and some around the Chiefs think he is a better head coaching candidate than Perderson was, and Pederson is having a ton of success.
-Nagy is now calling plays for the Chiefs till the end of the season and that gives the evaluation of him some serious help. Ried has called plays forever and he must feel very confident in Nagy to give him the headset.
Scheme
-The Chiefs run one of the most unique systems in the NFL and it seems like a blend of west coast, air raid, power run-play action, and even some old school option. I think that is the type of creativity and innovation that the Bears do not have.
-Since Nagy took over, which many in KC think was at halftime of the Buffalo game, the Chiefs have run a ton of RPO [Run Pass Option] and have been in shotgun a lot more. In the 6 quarters that Nagy was running the offense the Chiefs ran 17 RPO plays and a majority of their runs had pass options built in on the backside. This is an area where I think Trubisky would be very successful as it mimiced what he did at UNC.
1. Trubisky is a threat to run the ball out of the shotgun
2. Jordan Howard is a very good shotgun runner
3. Gives the defense 3 things to defend on the same play an opens up passing lanes
https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2017/...tt-nagy-effect" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
-Because of Alex Smith's arm limitations the Chiefs do a really nice job of scheming to get easier throws down the field. On 2 of HIll's longer completions they run multple players in front of the safety and make him pick someone to cover. In both case he attacked up towards Kelce and Harris and left Hill with inside leverage going downfield 1 on 1 with the middle of the field open.
-Nagy threw the ball down field a ton against the Jets and was very aggressive, which is something that has been incredibly lacking in the Bears offense.
-One of the more diverse and better screen teams in the NFL.
-They throw to the RB a lot out of the backfield, which fits well with the best way to use Cohen and gives the QB easy completions and yardage and allows him to establish a rhythm.
-They use a lot of spread concepts in that they flood the coverage with route runners. On almost all of their passing plays they had 4 players in the route concept and the RB releasing pretty quickly. Trubisky coming from a spread could make this an easier transition. It also does not allow teams to run guys underneath routes and to play a ton of zone concepts, which has been where he has struggled.
-Threaten you vertical with a lot of players from a lot of positions. The Chiefs consistently have someone forcing the safeties back and stretching the field vertically, but they do it with a bunch of guys. Hill on the outside and in the slot, Wilson in the slot, Kelce from the TE position. This makes it super difficult to slant your coverage or set your safeties. It creates indecision in the backend. If you X WR is the only guy who attacks vertically it is very easy for a S to cheat over or a CB to run deep with a LB underneath on most snaps.
Bears Needs
Luckily the Bears need a complete offensive overhaul and they can tailor things to Nagy. Some personnel notes are below and areas where the Bears must improve or where they match up.
Match Up Nicely
-Center: The center in this system appears to left to deal with players on there own a decent amount. The Chiefs have always invested serious talent in the position [Hudson, Morse] because they do not want to help the C. Morse, until he was injured, was blocking the NT a lot on his own. Because they release the RBs so much they need the interior OL to pick up the blitz package.
-Tight End: The Chiefs run a basketball team out at TE, Kelce [6'6"], Travis [6'7"], Harris [6'7"]. The Chiefs also use the TE to threaten downfield and to go vertical in the seam. This should be a role that both Shaheen and Brown can fill. Both are really big guys with enough athletic ability to threaten you downfield.
-Running Back: Howard is a very good shotgun runner and Cohen can catch out the the backfield, which is a requirement of someone in the RB group. In a perfect world Howard would be able to catch, but the Bears have a group here that can match what the Chiefs have pretty easily.
-Quarterback: It was rumored that the Chiefs were very high on Trubisky and it makes sense since he appears to be a more physically talented version of Smith. Both are mobile, accurate and can threaten a defense with their legs.
Areas of Need
-WR Speed: The Chiefs and Eagles under Ried have always had a ton of speed and elite speed at WR. The Bears have next to NO speed at the WR position. Hill [4.29], Conley [4.35], Wilson [4.42] are a track team and it allows the Chiefs to attack vertically from every spot on the field.
-Offensive Tackle: The Chiefs do not help their OTs in pass protection, they put them on an island a lot and I am not sure that Massie is going to fit that type of pass blocking requirements. The Chiefs have invested heavily at the OT position Fisher [1st overall, 4 years 48 million] and Schwartz [5 years 33 million], so that they can get as many people as possible into the route concept.
Personal
39 years old
College QB: Delaware
Arena League QB: 02-08
-I am a fan that he has played the QB position. I think there is a unique mental angle to the position that if difficult to understand if you have not played the position. That is not saying you cannot be a great QB coach without it, but it is a unique position in sports with the pressure and demands on you everyday as a leader.
Coaching
2008-2012 Philadelphia Eagles [Offensive Quality Control]
2013-2015 Kansas City Chiefs [QB Coach]
2016-2017 Kansas City Chiefs [Offensive Coordinator]
-I like that Andy Ried has kept him around for almost a decade. When a great coach sees talent my guess is that he ensures you stay close.
-Ried has spoken very highly of Nagy and some around the Chiefs think he is a better head coaching candidate than Perderson was, and Pederson is having a ton of success.
-Nagy is now calling plays for the Chiefs till the end of the season and that gives the evaluation of him some serious help. Ried has called plays forever and he must feel very confident in Nagy to give him the headset.
Scheme
-The Chiefs run one of the most unique systems in the NFL and it seems like a blend of west coast, air raid, power run-play action, and even some old school option. I think that is the type of creativity and innovation that the Bears do not have.
-Since Nagy took over, which many in KC think was at halftime of the Buffalo game, the Chiefs have run a ton of RPO [Run Pass Option] and have been in shotgun a lot more. In the 6 quarters that Nagy was running the offense the Chiefs ran 17 RPO plays and a majority of their runs had pass options built in on the backside. This is an area where I think Trubisky would be very successful as it mimiced what he did at UNC.
1. Trubisky is a threat to run the ball out of the shotgun
2. Jordan Howard is a very good shotgun runner
3. Gives the defense 3 things to defend on the same play an opens up passing lanes
https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2017/...tt-nagy-effect" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
-Because of Alex Smith's arm limitations the Chiefs do a really nice job of scheming to get easier throws down the field. On 2 of HIll's longer completions they run multple players in front of the safety and make him pick someone to cover. In both case he attacked up towards Kelce and Harris and left Hill with inside leverage going downfield 1 on 1 with the middle of the field open.
-Nagy threw the ball down field a ton against the Jets and was very aggressive, which is something that has been incredibly lacking in the Bears offense.
-One of the more diverse and better screen teams in the NFL.
-They throw to the RB a lot out of the backfield, which fits well with the best way to use Cohen and gives the QB easy completions and yardage and allows him to establish a rhythm.
-They use a lot of spread concepts in that they flood the coverage with route runners. On almost all of their passing plays they had 4 players in the route concept and the RB releasing pretty quickly. Trubisky coming from a spread could make this an easier transition. It also does not allow teams to run guys underneath routes and to play a ton of zone concepts, which has been where he has struggled.
-Threaten you vertical with a lot of players from a lot of positions. The Chiefs consistently have someone forcing the safeties back and stretching the field vertically, but they do it with a bunch of guys. Hill on the outside and in the slot, Wilson in the slot, Kelce from the TE position. This makes it super difficult to slant your coverage or set your safeties. It creates indecision in the backend. If you X WR is the only guy who attacks vertically it is very easy for a S to cheat over or a CB to run deep with a LB underneath on most snaps.
Bears Needs
Luckily the Bears need a complete offensive overhaul and they can tailor things to Nagy. Some personnel notes are below and areas where the Bears must improve or where they match up.
Match Up Nicely
-Center: The center in this system appears to left to deal with players on there own a decent amount. The Chiefs have always invested serious talent in the position [Hudson, Morse] because they do not want to help the C. Morse, until he was injured, was blocking the NT a lot on his own. Because they release the RBs so much they need the interior OL to pick up the blitz package.
-Tight End: The Chiefs run a basketball team out at TE, Kelce [6'6"], Travis [6'7"], Harris [6'7"]. The Chiefs also use the TE to threaten downfield and to go vertical in the seam. This should be a role that both Shaheen and Brown can fill. Both are really big guys with enough athletic ability to threaten you downfield.
-Running Back: Howard is a very good shotgun runner and Cohen can catch out the the backfield, which is a requirement of someone in the RB group. In a perfect world Howard would be able to catch, but the Bears have a group here that can match what the Chiefs have pretty easily.
-Quarterback: It was rumored that the Chiefs were very high on Trubisky and it makes sense since he appears to be a more physically talented version of Smith. Both are mobile, accurate and can threaten a defense with their legs.
Areas of Need
-WR Speed: The Chiefs and Eagles under Ried have always had a ton of speed and elite speed at WR. The Bears have next to NO speed at the WR position. Hill [4.29], Conley [4.35], Wilson [4.42] are a track team and it allows the Chiefs to attack vertically from every spot on the field.
-Offensive Tackle: The Chiefs do not help their OTs in pass protection, they put them on an island a lot and I am not sure that Massie is going to fit that type of pass blocking requirements. The Chiefs have invested heavily at the OT position Fisher [1st overall, 4 years 48 million] and Schwartz [5 years 33 million], so that they can get as many people as possible into the route concept.
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You spelled "CLARENCE" wrongmshu7 wrote:So basically he just copy/pasted Windy's research from another forum.G08 wrote:It's not Windy, I asked him and he said he's never been here.
YOGABBA is a fraud, shocker shocker.
Good work YOGABBA.
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By the way, since I'm on the DeFilippo for HC bandwagon I found someone he could bring with him as QB coach or OC. John Sullivan of the NY Giants. Flip & Sullivan were both on the Giants staff under Tom Coughlin in the mid 2000's. Sullivan went back as OC when MacAdoo was hired. Sullivan started out as a defensive coach and switched to offense in 2003, so he's got a good understanding of both sides of the ball. Sullivan was on staff as the WR coach when they won the 2008 Super Bowl over the undefeated Patriots.
I think him and Flip would be a great tandem. And I like that they both worked under Coughlin.
Flip: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_DeFilippo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Sullivan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Sullivan_(American_football_coach" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
I think him and Flip would be a great tandem. And I like that they both worked under Coughlin.
Flip: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_DeFilippo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Sullivan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Sullivan_(American_football_coach" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
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Good afternoon boys! Great to speak to you as our future began yesterday. Too bad Mitch couldn't pull it out, but I foresee a lot of victories coming his way!
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Nice edit..
Good afternoon boys! Great to speak to you as our future began yesterday. Too bad Mitch couldn't pull it out, but I foresee a lot of victories coming his way!
Name: YOGABBA
From: Tinley Park, IL
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Can't wait to discuss the BEARS!!!
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Three edits are the charm.. Lies fly a lead pigeon on here..
now born in when ?
Name: YOGABBA
From: Tinley Park, IL
Bears Fan Since: 1975
Occupation: Public Works Lackey
Nice edit..
Good afternoon boys! Great to speak to you as our future began yesterday. Too bad Mitch couldn't pull it out, but I foresee a lot of victories coming his way!
Name: YOGABBA
From: Tinley Park, IL
Bears Fan Since: 1983
Occupation: Public Works Lackey
Can't wait to discuss the BEARS!!!
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Three edits are the charm.. Lies fly a lead pigeon on here..
now born in when ?
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Sarah Huchabee,,?
Is that you..
There was always that kid that shit his pants and wondered why the other kids wouldn't play with the pantload..
Just stinks up the sandbox..
Is that you..
There was always that kid that shit his pants and wondered why the other kids wouldn't play with the pantload..
Just stinks up the sandbox..
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Current list that I want the Bears to go after:
1. Jim Harbaugh
2. John DeFilippo
3. Pete Carmichael Jr.
4. Matt Nagy
1. Jim Harbaugh
2. John DeFilippo
3. Pete Carmichael Jr.
4. Matt Nagy
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I think we are beyond that...YOGABBA wrote:Please stay on topic.
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Aside from the obvious, some names to watch for HC vacancies this off season: Todd Wash, Pat Shurmer, Dennis Allen, John Morton, Matt LeFleur.
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Shurmur is still my 1a. Flip is my 1b. Morton is my B.