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Richie wrote:On a side-note, how abut Lamarr Houston playing some solid football out of nowhere? Back from the dead.

In his 2 games back, he has 2 sacks, 4 tackles and a couple of those for a loss.

Playing for a contract next year, I suppose.
I was thinking about that last night... kick McPhee to the curb and retain Houston?
To me, Houston is a 4-3 DE. But McPhee is overpaid and needs to go, so we need to make a dramatic investment in a pass rusher.

More offseason talk, but I wonder if there's a 4-3 team with a rookie contract DE that's too light for them that we could swap for Bullard? Bullard just doesn't seem like the right fit as a 3-4 DE and his production reflects it.
Didn't Houston play his best ball in a 3-4 for the Raiders or have I made that up? I'd like to see him back as depth and I can't imagine he'll draw a big contract. I'd guess he's beyond a short prove it deal now and would take a cheaper security deal, less per year for more guaranteed overall? He signed for $900k with Houston so doesn't seem to be able to command loads at present. If we think he's a good scheme fit and can hit the ground running I'd roll the dice on him finding his pre injury form.

McPhee is my bang the drum for a restructure guy but he'll be cut. I just wish we at least go to him and ask what do you think you'll get on the open market if you're cut? Why not restructure down to that amount with us, save moving team, city etc. and try to get back in a scheme you know.

If we cut McPhee and replace him at vet min it costs the same as keeping him at $2m. He's not a player you can rely on at all but I'd take the risk of him staying healthy in limited snaps for that amount of money (or a little more). He might not ever be the same player again but CornWash signed for 2 years $5.85 and 2017 McPhee has had a better season than 2017 CornWash...
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Richie wrote:On a side-note, how abut Lamarr Houston playing some solid football out of nowhere? Back from the dead.

In his 2 games back, he has 2 sacks, 4 tackles and a couple of those for a loss.

Playing for a contract next year, I suppose.
I was thinking about that last night... kick McPhee to the curb and retain Houston?
To me, Houston is a 4-3 DE. But McPhee is overpaid and needs to go, so we need to make a dramatic investment in a pass rusher.

More offseason talk, but I wonder if there's a 4-3 team with a rookie contract DE that's too light for them that we could swap for Bullard? Bullard just doesn't seem like the right fit as a 3-4 DE and his production reflects it.
Didn't Houston play his best ball in a 3-4 for the Raiders or have I made that up? I'd like to see him back as depth and I can't imagine he'll draw a big contract. I'd guess he's beyond a short prove it deal now and would take a cheaper security deal, less per year for more guaranteed overall? He signed for $900k with Houston so doesn't seem to be able to command loads at present. If we think he's a good scheme fit and can hit the ground running I'd roll the dice on him finding his pre injury form.

McPhee is my bang the drum for a restructure guy but he'll be cut. I just wish we at least go to him and ask what do you think you'll get on the open market if you're cut? Why not restructure down to that amount with us, save moving team, city etc. and try to get back in a scheme you know.

If we cut McPhee and replace him at vet min it costs the same as keeping him at $2m. He's not a player you can rely on at all but I'd take the risk of him staying healthy in limited snaps for that amount of money (or a little more). He might not ever be the same player again but CornWash signed for 2 years $5.85 and 2017 McPhee has had a better season than 2017 CornWash...
If the likely McPhee departure happens, here's who's under contract... Floyd, <(high?) draft pick>, Young.

So yeah there's room and I could certainly live with re-signing Houston for that kind of price as a temporary measure. Scheme fit is pretty key and we'll need to see what our new DC thinks......
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Can we wish and pray that Bradley Chubb falls to us in the draft to replace McPhee?
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I don't think Chubb is a 3-4 player.
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DaSuperfan wrote:Can we wish and pray that Bradley Chubb falls to us in the draft to replace McPhee?
I would rather we get Trubisky more protection and weapons that early.
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will we remain a 3-4 team if fangio peaces out?
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Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:
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Richie wrote:On a side-note, how abut Lamarr Houston playing some solid football out of nowhere? Back from the dead.

In his 2 games back, he has 2 sacks, 4 tackles and a couple of those for a loss.

Playing for a contract next year, I suppose.
I was thinking about that last night... kick McPhee to the curb and retain Houston?
I don't trust him. And next year he will be on the wrong side of 30. If he wants to come back for something just over the vet minimum, then fine. But a big contract, no way.
Big contract? No one is giving him a big contract. lol

He's been cut by two different teams this year.

He'll get a shot to make a team in camp, but I don't know why anyone would even think "big contract" is anywhere within the realm of possibility for Houston.
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wab wrote:I don't think Chubb is a 3-4 player.
Well I disagree. His hips are pretty flexible, good instincts, and explosive. He may never be great in coverage, but he can surely stand up. Weight maybe an issue. He reminds me of a more agile and explosive,
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I'm kind of hoping we make a run at Trent Murphy and make this first round pick wide open.
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Part of me really wants Quenton Nelson. He can play either tackle or either guard spot. I'd love him as an upgrade over Massey and as a hedge to both guards and even Leno. He's a 6'5 320lb monster that's also incredibly nimble.
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GSH wrote:will we remain a 3-4 team if fangio peaces out?
God I hope so. We bent over backwards when Pace got here to switch our personnel to 3-4 fits. It would be really dumb to flip back the other way now. What would we do with Leonard Floyd? Trade him?
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wab wrote:I don't think Chubb is a 3-4 player.
I think he can be a 3-4 edge OLB. I know he's 275 pounds but I do think if he lost 10-15 pounds and played at 260-265 range, he could really be a force in a 34 defense.
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wab wrote:Part of me really wants Quenton Nelson. He can play either tackle or either guard spot. I'd love him as an upgrade over Massey and as a hedge to both guards and even Leno. He's a 6'5 320lb monster that's also incredibly nimble.
I think Nelson is a top 5 pick in this draft because of what you just stated. He's a rare talent that will go early and I don't see the Bears having the chance to get him.
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GSH wrote:will we remain a 3-4 team if fangio peaces out?
With a building block like Leonard Floyd, I don't think we would be switching schemes. Floyd's skillset is made for 3-4 defense and with him being such a key piece on the defense, I don't think they'd put him out of position for the sake of switching to a 4-3. Their personnel right now fits a 3-4.
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Thinking out loud here... Could you imagine Hicks and Goldman as 4-3 DTs? Wow! Nobody would run on us. Of course, they wouldn't have to, since we don't have 4-3 DEs to rush the passer outside of Willie Young.
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DaSuperfan wrote:
GSH wrote:will we remain a 3-4 team if fangio peaces out?
With a building block like Leonard Floyd, I don't think we would be switching schemes. Floyd's skillset is made for 3-4 defense and with him being such a key piece on the defense, I don't think they'd put him out of position for the sake of switching to a 4-3. Their personnel right now fits a 3-4.
In fairness, Floyd is very comparable to Anthony Barr (6’5 255) and he does pretty well in Minnesota’s 4-3 Defense. Floyd is adept in coverage, he can blitz, he can drop down to end. If the Bears did switch back (I don’t think they will), their personnel would be ok. Remember, most of Young’ sacks have come with him in a 3pt stance. This is the first pure 3-4 Defense Hicks has played in. Goldman and Bullard both played in 4-3 defenses in college. Kawasaki was a 4-3 LB. So was Trevathan before Denver switched over.

They’d be ok. I don’t think they will switch, but I wouldn’t be worried if they did.
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