The Ghost of John Fox...

Mikefive · Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:19 am

How about that Jacksonville 4th quarter? They have a 10 point lead and decide to channel their inner John Fox and change to a run run run strategy. So instead of doing what worked for them, they change to play not to lose against Brady and guess what happens? They lose.

Sorry, but I was having a deja vu moment.

Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:08 am

Lovie did that shit too.

Adipost · Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:28 am

Can’t blame them with Blake Bortles as their QB.

Mikefive · Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:43 am

Adipost wrote:Can’t blame them with Blake Bortles as their QB.

I think you can. Even with his limitations, Blake Bortles scored them 20 points in 2.5 quarters.

staleystarch · Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:16 pm

They also went from playing mostly man to man in the first half to playing mostly zone in the second. I had the same thought, very John Fox like.

Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:07 pm

Say what you want, but Bortles was brilliant in that game. The Jags were doing everything right until halfway through the 3rd quarter...then they just sort of stopped.

Wounded Bear · Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:21 pm

UOK wrote:Lovie did that shit too.

Gase froze up with a lead as well.

Wounded Bear · Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:24 pm

wab wrote:Say what you want, but Bortles was brilliant in that game. The Jags were doing everything right until halfway through the 3rd quarter...then they just sort of stopped.

I, too, was super impressed with Bortles.

Bears Whiskey Nut · Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:03 pm

Wounded Bear wrote:
wab wrote:Say what you want, but Bortles was brilliant in that game. The Jags were doing everything right until halfway through the 3rd quarter...then they just sort of stopped.
I, too, was super impressed with Bortles.

He was very accurate. Personally I think he should have tried to use his feet more. He does a good job of scrambling for extra yards. There were a couple of plays where he tried to force a pass, and probably could have picked up more with his legs.

I think for any NFL team, that has never been to the Super Bowl, and is facing the Patriots in the AFC Championship game, there is a bit of an intimidation factor. Then you're leading after three quarters, and you panic. It happens in sports all the time.

Mikefive · Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:47 pm

It looked to me not like Bortles was "very" accurate. But accurate enough. From where I sit, it's his processing and decision making that has been really good in the playoffs.

Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:18 pm

That sideline throw to Cole was as accurate as any pass in football this season. By any QB.

Mikefive · Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:47 pm

wab wrote:That sideline throw to Cole was as accurate as any pass in football this season. By any QB.

Sure, but that one throw is a very small sample size. A lot of Bortles throws were behind the target.

G08 · Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:54 pm

I thought he balled out for the first three quarters...

Rusty Trombagent · Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:58 pm

Mikefive wrote:
wab wrote:That sideline throw to Cole was as accurate as any pass in football this season. By any QB.
Sure, but that one throw is a very small sample size. A lot of Bortles throws were behind the target.

yeah, i cant stand for this hyperbole. he did not generally throw an accurate ball. for him, his decision making was above average for most of the game, but so few of his throws are on the mark.

Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:20 pm

Bortles wasn’t the reason they lost, but whatever. I get it’s cool to listen to the TV folks tell you how terrible he is.

Rusty Trombagent · Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:31 pm

lol holy shit

BR0D1E86 · Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:22 pm

Mikefive wrote:It looked to me not like Bortles was "very" accurate. But accurate enough. From where I sit, it's his processing and decision making that has been really good in the playoffs.

If he was “very” accurate he wouldn’t have consistently hit crossers on the back shoulder all game. But he was pretty decent.

Compared to my expectations of him he was very accurate, however.

The Marshall Plan · Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:12 am

wab wrote:Bortles wasn’t the reason they lost, but whatever. I get it’s cool to listen to the TV folks tell you how terrible he is.

This.

Brady WON that game. Bortles didn't lose it. The Jags played good enough to win, but they went up against the Pats and the GOAT. No different than how during the Jordan years, the Knicks, Jazz, Sonics etc. etc. played good enough to win against any other team except for the one with the GOAT on it.

malk · Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:32 am

All I care about is him getting a massive contract from the Jaguars. PAY THE MAN!

Bears Whiskey Nut · Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:15 am

The Jaguars lost because they panicked and Belichick/Brady didn't. Jacksonville had NO experience being in an AFC conference game, and the Pats have gone for the last 37 years in a row, or something like that. Jacksonville played three and a half quarters of football, and New England player four.

Mikefive · Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:39 am

wab wrote:Bortles wasn’t the reason they lost, but whatever. I get it’s cool to listen to the TV folks tell you how terrible he is.

How about if we just agree to disagree instead of projecting stuff we never said onto us or making assumptions that you don't know apply to our thinking?

Rusty Trombagent · Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:40 am

wab wrote:Bortles wasn’t the reason they lost, but whatever. I get it’s cool to listen to the TV folks tell you how terrible he is.

seriously though... where did anyone say that bortles was the reason the jags lost? why throw out this strawman? this isnt CCS, you arent some shitty teenage poster.

Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:45 am

I said Bortles wasn't the reason they lost. I wasn't implying that someone said he was. I was making a factual statement, because he wasn't. Did I follow up said factual statement with a snarky (albeit unnecessary) remark...yeah.

Shitting on Bortles seems to be the neat new thing in the football world and I'm not sure I understand why. He's never going to be an MVP candidate, but you could seriously do a lot worse at QB.

Otis Day · Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:13 am

I was actually impressed with his game. He "managed" it quite well. If anyone told me he would have thrown for 293 at a 64% clip and no ints, I would have told that person they need to put down the pipe. Sure he missed some passes, but Brady did as well. I have never been a Bortles fan, but he showed me a little on Sunday.

Bears Whiskey Nut · Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:15 am

wab wrote:I said Bortles wasn't the reason they lost. I wasn't implying that someone said he was. I was making a factual statement, because he wasn't. Did I follow up said factual statement with a snarky remark...yeah.

Wounded Bear · Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:45 pm

RustyTrubisky wrote:
Mikefive wrote:
wab wrote:That sideline throw to Cole was as accurate as any pass in football this season. By any QB.
Sure, but that one throw is a very small sample size. A lot of Bortles throws were behind the target.
yeah, i cant stand for this hyperbole. he did not generally throw an accurate ball. for him, his decision making was above average for most of the game, but so few of his throws are on the mark.

Does this apply to the hyperbole of how shitty he was playing? I mean, he did have a 98.5 QB rating.

Rusty Trombagent · Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:58 pm

Wounded Bear wrote:
RustyTrubisky wrote:
Mikefive wrote:
wab wrote:That sideline throw to Cole was as accurate as any pass in football this season. By any QB.
Sure, but that one throw is a very small sample size. A lot of Bortles throws were behind the target.
yeah, i cant stand for this hyperbole. he did not generally throw an accurate ball. for him, his decision making was above average for most of the game, but so few of his throws are on the mark.
Does this apply to the hyperbole of how shitty he was playing? I mean, he did have a 98.5 QB rating.

Man, jeez, i think what most of us are saying is that bortles had a really good game for bortles, but his deficiencies still look very obvious. His receivers made a bunch of great adjustments to catch his balls and YAC absolutely suffered because of it.

No one is saying he played like shit! Yeesh, this isnt binary.

Boris13c · Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:14 pm

and yet again, another thread goes off the rails and way off topic, because I do not recall John Fox coaching Blake Bortles at any time

but hey - you crack addled monkeys can continue to have at it

Wounded Bear · Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:16 pm

RustyTrubisky wrote:
Wounded Bear wrote:
RustyTrubisky wrote:
Mikefive wrote:
wab wrote:That sideline throw to Cole was as accurate as any pass in football this season. By any QB.
Sure, but that one throw is a very small sample size. A lot of Bortles throws were behind the target.
yeah, i cant stand for this hyperbole. he did not generally throw an accurate ball. for him, his decision making was above average for most of the game, but so few of his throws are on the mark.
Does this apply to the hyperbole of how shitty he was playing? I mean, he did have a 98.5 QB rating.
Man, jeez, i think what most of us are saying is that bortles had a really good game for bortles, but his deficiencies still look very obvious. His receivers made a bunch of great adjustments to catch his balls and YAC absolutely suffered because of it.

No one is saying he played like shit! Yeesh, this isnt binary.

Alright, my bad...

Funkster · Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:21 pm

wab wrote:I said Bortles wasn't the reason they lost. I wasn't implying that someone said he was. I was making a factual statement, because he wasn't. Did I follow up said factual statement with a snarky (albeit unnecessary) remark...yeah.

Shitting on Bortles seems to be the neat new thing in the football world and I'm not sure I understand why. He's never going to be an MVP candidate, but you could seriously do a lot worse at QB.

I agree, Bortles played a very good season. I have zero problems with the term game manager and don't view that term as derogatory. He played within the system all year and QBed his team 1 game shy of the super bowl. With that defense and run game, they don't need much more out of their QB: