Update: Bears don't match Meredith offer, joins Saints

Boris13c · Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:22 am

hey - you think this thread about a decent but not great receiver no longer being a member of the Bears can hit 50 pages ?

Boris13c · Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:22 am

wanna try?

Boris13c · Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:23 am

proof the off season is boring to football starved Bears faithful

Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:27 am

We're going to be talking about the Cam Meredith debacle for years to come.

G08 · Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:48 am

I groan every time I see there's been another post in this thread

Boris13c · Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:51 am

G08 wrote:I groan every time I see there's been another post in this thread

really?

but why?

don't you find the discussion scintillating?

:jump:

Otis Day · Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:45 pm

Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:59 pm

The first two touchdown game he has, Bears fans are gonna freak the hell out.

Mikefive · Wed Apr 25, 2018 1:02 pm

UOK wrote:We're going to be talking about the Cam Meredith debacle for years to come.

Not if he's done. But if he isn't..........

thunderspirit · Wed Apr 25, 2018 1:29 pm

Mikefive wrote:
UOK wrote:We're going to be talking about the Cam Meredith debacle for years to come.
Not if he's done. But if he isn't..........

If he isn't, Pace gambled and lost the bet.

It's really just that simple.

malk · Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:15 pm

G08 wrote:I groan every time I see there's been another post in this thread

Groan like this?

https://twitter.com/AnthonyHopkins/stat ... 1938742273

Boris13c · Wed Apr 25, 2018 4:06 pm

malk wrote:
G08 wrote:I groan every time I see there's been another post in this thread
Groan like this?

https://twitter.com/AnthonyHopkins/stat ... 1938742273

or maybe more like this :

Adipost · Fri May 25, 2018 5:49 am

G08 wrote:I groan every time I see there's been another post in this thread

https://mobile.twitter.com/SaintsNOW/status/999729244401012737

mmmc_35 · Fri May 25, 2018 7:38 am

It would be so Bearsish for Cam to have a 12 TD 1200 years season, and Robinson and Gabriel to have a combined 8 TD and 1000 yard season.

Atkins&Rebel · Fri May 25, 2018 10:14 am

mmmc_35 wrote:It would be so Bearsish for Cam to have a 12 TD 1200 years season, and Robinson and Gabriel to have a combined 8 TD and 1000 yard season.

I agree, though much of the likelihood of that happening comes down to the difference between Brees and Trubisky.

Boris13c · Fri May 25, 2018 11:28 am

Saints receiver Cameron Meredith 'way ahead of schedule' in return from knee injury

New Orleans Saints receiver Cameron Meredith is ahead of schedule in his return from a knee injury that kept him off the field for the entire 2017 season, coach Sean Payton said Thursday (May 24).

The 6-foot-3, 207-pound receiver who the Saints signed as a free agent this offseason did not participate in team drills during Thursday's OTA practice but Payton said his participation was encouraging.

"I made a comment to (Saints' director of sports medicine) Beau (Lowery) two days ago during the walk through," Payton said. "Just watching him move around and, you guys saw him, he's way ahead of schedule. And certainly where our doctor our doctors had hoped and even better.

"So, he's going to factor in this year. He's a player that we've got a real clear vision for."

The Saints landed the 25-year-old receiver as a restricted free agent after the Chicago Bears declined to match New Orleans' offer. He sustained a knee injury in the 2017 preseason but was coming off of a 2016 campaign that saw him catch 66 passes for 888 yards and four touchdowns.

Meredith said soon after the Saints acquired him he expected to be ready for the start of the season.

docc · Fri May 25, 2018 2:54 pm

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G08 · Tue May 29, 2018 10:33 am

Adipost wrote:
G08 wrote:I groan every time I see there's been another post in this thread
https://mobile.twitter.com/SaintsNOW/status/999729244401012737

God damn it.

The Marshall Plan · Tue May 29, 2018 4:44 pm

If keeping Meredith means that we never drafted Miller, even though I have no idea if he'll work out or not, then I'm glad we let Meredith go. Miller's potential is far greater than Meredith's ceiling especially post injury and we have AR15, Gabriel and Burton which more than offset not have Meredith.

mmmc_35 · Tue May 29, 2018 8:32 pm

The Marshall Plan wrote:If keeping Meredith means that we never drafted Miller, even though I have no idea if he'll work out or not, then I'm glad we let Meredith go. Miller's potential is far greater than Meredith's ceiling especially post injury and we have AR15, Gabriel and Burton which more than offset not have Meredith.

I disagree. Miller could be great but Cam has just as high of a ceiling in my opinion, and his floor is known and better.

dickbutkus97 · Tue May 29, 2018 8:43 pm

Classic cognitive dissonance situation- how to rate 2 players who both had a devastating injury before they go into a new season, supposedly "recovered". Maybe both will be good in the long run- Meridith and Robinson. Maybe one of them "looks good" now, like is said about Meridith. Does that mean that Pace made a mistake, or are we skewing our impression to fit the past? Isn't it easy to bash the one who wasn't signed, or the GM who wouldn't take a risk on him?

Personally I much rather cheer for Meridith than Jeffrey, but I wish that both of them could have remained in Chicago.

Moriarty · Wed May 30, 2018 8:59 am

The Marshall Plan wrote:If keeping Meredith means that we never drafted Miller, even though I have no idea if he'll work out or not, then I'm glad we let Meredith go. Miller's potential is far greater than Meredith's ceiling especially post injury and we have AR15, Gabriel and Burton which more than offset not have Meredith.

Well, yeah, if you throw tons of financial and draft resource at pretty much any position, you can make it better.
However, given that your financial and draft resources are both capped, your goal is to get good value.
Yes, they added more at WR than they lost in Meredith...by spending 23M (plus future guaranteed money, too) & 2 draft picks vs spending 3M.
Being better is not really relevant.

Robinson cost huge money and last put up huge numbers 3 yrs ago
Gabriel got big money without ever being a starter and averaging under 500 yds a season
Burton got big money without ever being a starter and averaging under 300 yds a season the last 2
Miller cost a R2 + R4 with no NFL track record, obviously

Meredith cost no draft pick originally, none to keep, and minor money to have kept him this year (with no future commitment). Then, if he played well, you'd be paying market value for a player who you knew could start and was recovered from injury.

The real questions are:
Were the new acquisitions good value?
Is the receiver group they made without him a better group and better value than some combination they could have made that included him?

(And that last question should also be asked with Kendall Wright and Dontrelle Inman, both experienced and dirt cheap, in the question, too)

Bad Flanders · Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:33 pm

AAAAAANNNNNNDDDDDD.... rumors that Cam isn't 100% right now.

I want the best for the kid and hope it's not that his knee isn't right still.

That said, Pace took a lot of crap for this (I sure questioned it myself) and maybe time will show it as a better decision than most thought.

Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:10 pm

Bad Flanders wrote:AAAAAANNNNNNDDDDDD.... rumors that Cam isn't 100% right now.

I want the best for the kid and hope it's not that his knee isn't right still.

That said, Pace took a lot of crap for this (I sure questioned it myself) and maybe time will show it as a better decision than most thought.

I don't think it's so much a matter of who was right and who was wrong, but at the time the contract felt like a very low-risk investment. That Pace didn't match, at least to me, felt like a big signal that the knee wasn't giving them much optimism.

Z Bear · Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:35 pm

If they matched and retained Cam they would not have drafted Anthony Miller.

I'd rather have Miller.

G08 · Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:23 am

Z Bear wrote:If they matched and retained Cam they would not have drafted Anthony Miller.

I'd rather have Miller.

Agreed -- and I say this as someone that loves(loved?) Cam.

Sugashane · Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:46 am

Z Bear wrote:If they matched and retained Cam they would not have drafted Anthony Miller.

I'd rather have Miller.

I'd have been fine with matching and still getting Miller. Right now we have
Robinson
Gabriel
Miller
Burton (he is a big WR basically)

That is a good corps, but if one goes down then you're relying on White or Bellamy, maybe Wims if he ascends, For how little Meredith was going to make the next two years, I'd have loved seeing him rotate in. He is likely the best 3rd or 4th option in the game. If healthy I think he is a better overall player than Gabriel to be honest. He is far better than Bellamy, Fowler, Gentry, etc.

Bigwill · Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:20 pm

If Nagy doesn't think Cam Meredith fits his scheme and/or the doctors won't sign off on Meredith, I can accept that. But without one of those factors, I simply don't understand (1) the decision not to tender him at a higher level or (2) the decision not to match. Oy.

Mikefive · Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:34 pm

Will! Good to see you again, man!

malk · Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:56 pm

Bigwill wrote:If Nagy doesn't think Cam Meredith fits his scheme and/or the doctors won't sign off on Meredith, I can accept that. But without one of those factors, I simply don't understand (1) the decision not to tender him at a higher level or (2) the decision not to match. Oy.

Yup, the tender was the mistake but I've moved on now. Really hope it works out for Meredith, just not against us.