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In E04 of the BFO Podcast, Chris and I discuss if we're seeing ghosts regarding the Jordan Howard trade rumors, hypothetical draft issues for #8 overall, and if Cameron Meredith will somehow not get matched by Ryan Pace.

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James over Edmunds as a pass rusher. You drunk?
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Lol...I was partially kidding, partially kind of serious that he has proven more in his ability to rush the edge then Edmunds.
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So your always drunk. Got it.
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No, I just don't think Trumain Edmunds has the ability to be an edge rusher
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I am off work, going to try and drink enough to understand you. This will be a test, if i don't post in 4 hours i died of alcohol poisoning. Tell my kids i love them, tell the wife she drove me to this.

Good podcast though.
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mmmc_35 wrote:I am off work, going to try and drink enough to understand you. This will be a test, if i don't post in 4 hours i died of alcohol poisoning. Tell my kids i love them, tell the wife she drove me to this.

Good podcast though.
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Lol...good luck. I suggest Tequila..

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Really have been enjoying your podcasts guys. Probably the most entertaining fan content I've found since YouBoyRoy was streaming us the Grossman v/s Orton TC camp battle.
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Everyone sleeping on my guy Mason Rudolph.
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Couple thoughts:

1 - I disagree that Nelson absolutely can't play tackle in the NFL. I think he can, and the teams that have worked him out at OT think he can - at least a little. His primary position in the NFL will be guard, but he has the arm length, size, feet, and hips to play OT. The Raiders are a team that have been looking at him as an OT.

2 - You have several guys moving up into the top 10-12...but you haven't talked about guys that would drop. What are your thoughts on who will drop?
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1- I don't think Nelson could be an above average starting tackle. If your drafting him, your taking him to play G IMO. Could he kick out in a pinch, of course. Would he be good? Not in my opinion...

2- I think Landry, McGlinchey, and Lamar could all go top 12. To me, the locks for top 12 are Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Mayfield, Chubb, Nelson, Minkah... that leaves 5 spots to be filled. I can see Derwin, Roquan, Edmunds, Ward, or Vea falling out of top 12 and Landry, McGlinchey, or Lamar jumping into the top 12. I'm not saying all three will, but it wouldn't shock me if any of those 3 go top 12.
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If I had to guess 3 guys who don't go top 12...

Roquan
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cblaz11 wrote:1- I don't think Nelson could be an above average starting tackle. If your drafting him, your taking him to play G IMO. Could he kick out in a pinch, of course. Would he be good? Not in my opinion...

2- I think Landry, McGlinchey, and Lamar could all go top 12. To me, the locks for top 12 are Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Mayfield, Chubb, Nelson, Minkah... that leaves 5 spots to be filled. I can see Derwin, Roquan, Edmunds, Ward, or Vea falling out of top 12 and Landry, McGlinchey, or Lamar jumping into the top 12. I'm not saying all three will, but it wouldn't shock me if any of those 3 go top 12.
You can add Barkley into the Top 12 list.
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Yep..forgot about him.
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cblaz11 wrote:1- I don't think Nelson could be an above average starting tackle. If your drafting him, your taking him to play G IMO. Could he kick out in a pinch, of course. Would he be good? Not in my opinion...

2- I think Landry, McGlinchey, and Lamar could all go top 12. To me, the locks for top 12 are Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Mayfield, Chubb, Nelson, Minkah... that leaves 5 spots to be filled. I can see Derwin, Roquan, Edmunds, Ward, or Vea falling out of top 12 and Landry, McGlinchey, or Lamar jumping into the top 12. I'm not saying all three will, but it wouldn't shock me if any of those 3 go top 12.
I don’t think Landry will be drafted in the top 20. He was getting absolutely manhandled last season.
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wab wrote:Everyone sleeping on my guy Mason Rudolph.
You’ll enjoy this
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wab wrote:Everyone sleeping on my guy Mason Rudolph.
You’ll enjoy this
Yesssss.
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VA_Mountain_Bear wrote:Really have been enjoying your podcasts guys. Probably the most entertaining fan content I've found since YouBoyRoy was streaming us the Grossman v/s Orton TC camp battle.
I agree, you guys are just as coherent as YourBoyRoy!
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Adipost wrote:
cblaz11 wrote:1- I don't think Nelson could be an above average starting tackle. If your drafting him, your taking him to play G IMO. Could he kick out in a pinch, of course. Would he be good? Not in my opinion...

2- I think Landry, McGlinchey, and Lamar could all go top 12. To me, the locks for top 12 are Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Mayfield, Chubb, Nelson, Minkah... that leaves 5 spots to be filled. I can see Derwin, Roquan, Edmunds, Ward, or Vea falling out of top 12 and Landry, McGlinchey, or Lamar jumping into the top 12. I'm not saying all three will, but it wouldn't shock me if any of those 3 go top 12.
I don’t think Landry will be drafted in the top 20. He was getting absolutely manhandled last season.
I agree. Landry does nothing vs. the run but turn and chase.
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If he gets 10-12 sacks a year, I don't mind him being pedestrian vs the run. We need somone who's going to help get our D off the field on 3rd down.
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cblaz11 wrote:If he gets 10-12 sacks a year, I don't mind him being pedestrian vs the run. We need somone who's going to help get our D off the field on 3rd down.
But if you can keep successfully running at him, why would any opponent make him use his pass rush skills?
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Again, as usual, excellent job.

Regarding drafting Barkley at #8 and trading Howard.

I would not trade Howard at all in that scenario unless if I'm offered something nuts like a first round pick. I would not deal him for a third. Obviously I would not be in favor of trading Howard simply to draft another RB with the specific pick that we acquired for him.

Keep in mind that Howard is still on a rookie deal. He has a 2018 cap hit of $692k.

Barkley and Howard would be the best tandem in the NFL. You could extend the careers and legs of both men, force defenses to play VERY honest against the pass, and take a huge load off of Biscuit with that tandem.

Nagy could have all kinds of fun with an offense that has Barkley, Howard, AR15, Meredith (we better sign him like now), and Gabriel.

We would still have the second round pick and two fourths to address OL.
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The Marshall Plan wrote:Again, as usual, excellent job.

Regarding drafting Barkley at #8 and trading Howard.

I would not trade Howard at all in that scenario unless if I'm offered something nuts like a first round pick. I would not deal him for a third. Obviously I would not be in favor of trading Howard simply to draft another RB with the specific pick that we acquired for him.

Keep in mind that Howard is still on a rookie deal. He has a 2018 cap hit of $692k.

Barkley and Howard would be the best tandem in the NFL. You could extend the careers and legs of both men, force defenses to play VERY honest against the pass, and take a huge load off of Biscuit with that tandem.

Nagy could have all kinds of fun with an offense that has Barkley, Howard, AR15, Meredith (we better sign him like now), and Gabriel.

We would still have the second round pick and two fourths to address OL.
Look dude I love Howard, but it simply objective that Barkley is a superior RB/athlete/football player. If we were to have Barkley fall AND someone offered us a pick for Howard...it would be beyond silly to not take the upgrade. As far as rookie deals, this would be resetting the clock on that.

Why do you continue to call A. Robinson AR15? That isn't his number...
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VA_Mountain_Bear wrote:
The Marshall Plan wrote:Again, as usual, excellent job.

Regarding drafting Barkley at #8 and trading Howard.

I would not trade Howard at all in that scenario unless if I'm offered something nuts like a first round pick. I would not deal him for a third. Obviously I would not be in favor of trading Howard simply to draft another RB with the specific pick that we acquired for him.

Keep in mind that Howard is still on a rookie deal. He has a 2018 cap hit of $692k.

Barkley and Howard would be the best tandem in the NFL. You could extend the careers and legs of both men, force defenses to play VERY honest against the pass, and take a huge load off of Biscuit with that tandem.

Nagy could have all kinds of fun with an offense that has Barkley, Howard, AR15, Meredith (we better sign him like now), and Gabriel.

We would still have the second round pick and two fourths to address OL.
Look dude I love Howard, but it simply objective that Barkley is a superior RB/athlete/football player. If we were to have Barkley fall AND someone offered us a pick for Howard...it would be beyond silly to not take the upgrade. As far as rookie deals, this would be resetting the clock on that.

Why do you continue to call A. Robinson AR15? That isn't his number...


It will be when we cut Bellamy.
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cblaz11 wrote:If he gets 10-12 sacks a year, I don't mind him being pedestrian vs the run. We need somone who's going to help get our D off the field on 3rd down.
I don’t think pedestrian is the word I would use...

https://gfycat.com/GroundedSparklingBluefish

And here is a RB manhandling Landry...

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Here’s Landry looking clueless...

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And then there was the train wreck that was the Clemson game, where they simply ran right at Landry the entire game...

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It wasn't his best game...watch this clip though and you see pleanty of times he wins his matchup

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