If he plays lights out we franchise him and either extend or trade.
There is NO reason to pony up $14M in guaranteed money to guy that has played 5 games.
Update: Kevin White 5th year option declined by Bears
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I'm pulling for the kid. He has had some really shit luck. He's seems to be working really hard this off season, and it appears that Nagy is pulling for him. If he does have a decent year, there's no reason you can't sign him to a three year, heavily incentivised, front-loaded contract, so you can bail if he's injured again in 2019. His measurables are off the charts, so if he can stay healthy, he'd be quite a weapon.Umbali wrote:They declined his 5th year option for 13 million ( thank God ) ....but that being said it would be neat to be having a discussion next year about resigning him based on a breakout year this year.
I do get that Pace created that need and could have signed Gurley or Beasley...but you could go all the way down the rabbit hole with thought processes like that. Every team has regrets on picks and decisions.
He is here. He seems to work hard. He has shit luck and brittle bones thus far. Maybe we call Wolverines doctor and get him hooked up lol.
Would just to have a great surprise from him this year.
I guess I tend to root for the underdog, but I really think we are overdue for some good luck.
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makaur wrote:Rumor has it that when White heard the news today...his feelings were hurt so bad that he might have to start the season on the PUP list.
guess he has severe bruising due to his falling crocodile tears?
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I'm having a hard time really envisioning a role for him. Pace/Nagy said he's going to focus on playing just one position, which I'm assuming is the Z only because it removes him from being faced with press coverage/gives him a free release and he can use his speed to take the top off a defense a la Taylor Gabriel.Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:I'm pulling for the kid. He has had some really shit luck. He's seems to be working really hard this off season, and it appears that Nagy is pulling for him. If he does have a decent year, there's no reason you can't sign him to a three year, heavily incentivised, front-loaded contract, so you can bail if he's injured again in 2019. His measurables are off the charts, so if he can stay healthy, he'd be quite a weapon.Umbali wrote:They declined his 5th year option for 13 million ( thank God ) ....but that being said it would be neat to be having a discussion next year about resigning him based on a breakout year this year.
I do get that Pace created that need and could have signed Gurley or Beasley...but you could go all the way down the rabbit hole with thought processes like that. Every team has regrets on picks and decisions.
He is here. He seems to work hard. He has shit luck and brittle bones thus far. Maybe we call Wolverines doctor and get him hooked up lol.
Would just to have a great surprise from him this year.
I guess I tend to root for the underdog, but I really think we are overdue for some good luck.
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Is that the list where they get to play with PUPpies to help soothe their feelings?makaur wrote:Rumor has it that when White heard the news today...his feelings were hurt so bad that he might have to start the season on the PUP list.
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This all being said, what does a breakout year look like for him with the additions to the team?
If he played 75% of the year and caught 40 balls I think it would be a huge year for him. If he did that, nobody is giving him big money.
If he played 75% of the year and caught 40 balls I think it would be a huge year for him. If he did that, nobody is giving him big money.
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I don't think anyone would give him big money regardless of how he does this year.southdakbearfan wrote:This all being said, what does a breakout year look like for him with the additions to the team?
If he played 75% of the year and caught 40 balls I think it would be a huge year for him. If he did that, nobody is giving him big money.
And White would have to pass a physical next year in order for the Bears to be able to cut him. Good luck with that, lol.southdakbearfan wrote:If Pace would have picked up the 5th year option on White he would have been ran out of town while being tarred and feathered. It would have been close to 14 million for him if my memory serves me correctly.Moriarty wrote:I'm guessing this doesn't backfire like Fuller's did.
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I figure Alshon didn't have a huge market. Missing a few games was a big worry. If white dominates this year how big can his market be? Probably fairly small, due to years of not playing.
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That's the thing, even if he's healthy for 16 games (assuming we have no injuries) I don't see how he can dominate behind Robinson/Gabriel/Miller/Burton/Cohen/Howard.mmmc_35 wrote:I figure Alshon didn't have a huge market. Missing a few games was a big worry. If white dominates this year how big can his market be? Probably fairly small, due to years of not playing.
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There will be plenty of 4 WR sets where you have Robinson/Gabriel/Miller/Burton or White, on the field. He will get 25-30 pass catching attempts throughout the season. What he does with them is up to him.G08 wrote:That's the thing, even if he's healthy for 16 games (assuming we have no injuries) I don't see how he can dominate behind Robinson/Gabriel/Miller/Burton/Cohen/Howard.mmmc_35 wrote:I figure Alshon didn't have a huge market. Missing a few games was a big worry. If white dominates this year how big can his market be? Probably fairly small, due to years of not playing.
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Exactly, and what kind of market is there for a (as of now) #7 overall pick WR bust that is coming off a 30 rec season? None, I would think. So does Pace try to cover his ass and bring him back for cheap? Maybe a prove-it deal or incentives for each game he's active?Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:There will be plenty of 4 WR sets where you have Robinson/Gabriel/Miller/Burton or White, on the field. He will get 25-30 pass catching attempts throughout the season. What he does with them is up to him.G08 wrote:That's the thing, even if he's healthy for 16 games (assuming we have no injuries) I don't see how he can dominate behind Robinson/Gabriel/Miller/Burton/Cohen/Howard.mmmc_35 wrote:I figure Alshon didn't have a huge market. Missing a few games was a big worry. If white dominates this year how big can his market be? Probably fairly small, due to years of not playing.
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I have a different opinion that most on here.... I think he excels in this offense and is a clear #2 receiver at seasons end. WV runs a spread and White made the bulk of his yards after the catch. Look at what he did at WV then look at what the Chiefs receivers did last year. He is the most physically gifted receiver on the team as far as size and speed, if he can stay healthy he should put up decent numbers. No on will be willing to give him $14m a year, but if he stays healthy and puts up 800 yards and 5 TDs he will get more money than Meredith got.
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For a guy that hasn't put up a total of 200 yds yet in 3 seasons and 0 tds, you have him doing an awful lot.Z Bear wrote:I have a different opinion that most on here.... I think he excels in this offense and is a clear #2 receiver at seasons end. WV runs a spread and White made the bulk of his yards after the catch. Look at what he did at WV then look at what the Chiefs receivers did last year. He is the most physically gifted receiver on the team as far as size and speed, if he can stay healthy he should put up decent numbers. No on will be willing to give him $14m a year, but if he stays healthy and puts up 800 yards and 5 TDs he will get more money than Meredith got.
He is option #4 or #5 unless someone gets hurt. They aren't going to piss off gabriel 1 year into his deal so he is on the field a lot, robinson is #1, Burton is probably option #2 or #3 depending on the set, then you have cohen. Shaheen probably gets more targets, catches and TD's than white, even if white stays healthy.
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This.southdakbearfan wrote:For a guy that hasn't put up a total of 200 yds yet in 3 seasons and 0 tds, you have him doing an awful lot.Z Bear wrote:I have a different opinion that most on here.... I think he excels in this offense and is a clear #2 receiver at seasons end. WV runs a spread and White made the bulk of his yards after the catch. Look at what he did at WV then look at what the Chiefs receivers did last year. He is the most physically gifted receiver on the team as far as size and speed, if he can stay healthy he should put up decent numbers. No on will be willing to give him $14m a year, but if he stays healthy and puts up 800 yards and 5 TDs he will get more money than Meredith got.
He is option #4 or #5 unless someone gets hurt. They aren't going to piss off gabriel 1 year into his deal so he is on the field a lot, robinson is #1, Burton is probably option #2 or #3 depending on the set, then you have cohen. Shaheen probably gets more targets, catches and TD's than white, even if white stays healthy.
And then there's Miller.
The biggest risk with Kevin White at this point is that the Bears cut him loose, he joins another team and becomes a Pro Bowler. It would be just one more middle finger from White. Whatever. They should still cut him. Worst first round draft choice for us that I can remember and I remember Enis, McNown, Benson, Stan Thomas and the list goes on.
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You are labeling him a bust because of freakishly bad luck with injuries. Enis, McNown, and Thomas did not have the skill or desire to be good football players. Benson was not a complete bust as he had a few good years in Cincy after he left here. Benson was just drafted into a bad situation because the locker room loved Thomas Jones and no one on the team backed Benson (including me, I thought that was a completely wasted pick as they had much greater needs than a RB that year). Frankly we have no idea what Kevin White offers on the filed because he is never on it. As I said, my OPINION on him is that he will have a decent year because he offers more than Gabriel or Miller athletically. I could be dead wrong but no one will know until September.
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It's one thing for a guy to put up 200 yards in 48 games (3 full seasons) and quite another to do that in your first 5 games.southdakbearfan wrote:For a guy that hasn't put up a total of 200 yds yet in 3 seasons and 0 tds, you have him doing an awful lot.Z Bear wrote:I have a different opinion that most on here.... I think he excels in this offense and is a clear #2 receiver at seasons end. WV runs a spread and White made the bulk of his yards after the catch. Look at what he did at WV then look at what the Chiefs receivers did last year. He is the most physically gifted receiver on the team as far as size and speed, if he can stay healthy he should put up decent numbers. No on will be willing to give him $14m a year, but if he stays healthy and puts up 800 yards and 5 TDs he will get more money than Meredith got.
He is option #4 or #5 unless someone gets hurt. They aren't going to piss off gabriel 1 year into his deal so he is on the field a lot, robinson is #1, Burton is probably option #2 or #3 depending on the set, then you have cohen. Shaheen probably gets more targets, catches and TD's than white, even if white stays healthy.
I'm kinda with Z on this one. Broken bones are freak injuries. It's not the same as a guy with a bad knee, shoulder or ankle. If White can learn to run decent routes--yet to be seen IMO--there's reason to think he'd be the #2.
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I think White's next injury, freak or not, will probably be the end of his chance to play in the NFL ... as said before, no one is wishing bad things on the dude ... he just seems really unlucky
hoping for the best from him, but am expecting nothing
hoping for the best from him, but am expecting nothing
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A draft pick needs to produce on the field relative to their draft spot otherwise they are a bust. Who cares if its injuries or some other reason? White has not produced like a #7 overall draft choice.Z Bear wrote:You are labeling him a bust because of freakishly bad luck with injuries. Enis, McNown, and Thomas did not have the skill or desire to be good football players. Benson was not a complete bust as he had a few good years in Cincy after he left here. Benson was just drafted into a bad situation because the locker room loved Thomas Jones and no one on the team backed Benson (including me, I thought that was a completely wasted pick as they had much greater needs than a RB that year). Frankly we have no idea what Kevin White offers on the filed because he is never on it. As I said, my OPINION on him is that he will have a decent year because he offers more than Gabriel or Miller athletically. I could be dead wrong but no one will know until September.
Chris Benson never came close to producing like a #4 overall draft choice until after he left the Bears to go to Cincy. He's a bust too.
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You can only look at the production for the team that drafted him. He was a bust for the bears and a good free agent pickup for the Bengals.Z Bear wrote:The 4 years in Cincy he had over 4,000 yards and 20 TDs rushing. While not Hall of Fame production, that is better than average.
Look at it this way, if you could go back in time would you draft white again knowing what was coming. Same could be said with Cedric Benson.
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Read this. I got wood.
https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears ... evin-white" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears ... evin-white" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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I'm definitely pulling for White as well. I know many of us hated the pick or whatnot but there's no point in being pessimistic with him any longer. He's had some of the worst luck with injuries I've seen, just hope he can stay healthy and show what he can do. Whether that's good or bad, just to have the opportunity to be healthy to do it will be enough for me.
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Hopefully he can do that in a game when its full contact....more than once.G08 wrote:Read this. I got wood.
https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears ... evin-white" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step.The Marshall Plan wrote:Hopefully he can do that in a game when its full contact....more than once.G08 wrote:Read this. I got wood.
https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears ... evin-white" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
yeaaaaAAAAAAAahhhhhhhh
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Bonus points for the GnR reference.