Bears destroyed by 49ers, 32-7

[Funkster]

Like I said,people are taking them to lightly.

Bears -------- Niners

Offense 27th - 11th
Defense 10th - 5th
Kicking 3rd - 31st
Kick return 32nd - 10th
Punting 24th - 22nd
Punt return 13th - 5th
FG 7th - 17th

But the eye test tells me we are a superior team to the Niners. I didn't feel that way last week against to Texans, but against the Niners I do. I watched their entire game last week and other then Alden Smith, Vernon Davis, and 4 of their 5 O-line man I don't think any of their 'started' would start over ours..( I know many/most would say Willis over Urlacher...but I refuse to).

I'm not going to argue with those that feel the Niners are a better team, I just don't see it that way.

I think Seattle is better then them in their own division and think think the Bears, Packers, and Falcons are all far superior in the NFC, they have already lost to the Giants.. so at the very least I see 5 superior teams in the NFC alone. Yet I feel many act like they are one of the top 3 or 4 teams in the league and I really don't see it that way.

I think you left out a few players that are better than ours. Besides Cutler and Marshall, I would trade our entire offense for theirs. The only way you could take lach over willis is systematically. Urlacher is one of the best to ever play the game,hands down, but to say you would take him over willis today is just homer talk. Willis is younger,stronger and faster.

You say loosing to the gaints as though they are chumps, they are defending superbowl champs. They are not playing good ball right now, true. But they play their best ball late in the season. They will be in the hunt and they are clutch come post season.

The niners already beat seattle and will beat them again. I live in Seattle and watch every game. Seattle has a lot of holes that need to be filled and can only win at home.

The way I see it, the niners are what the bears could look like if we had a system on offense. They utilize their players to their strengths. They have no problem dink and dunking their way down the field.They don't have to pick up 18 yards per play or nothing. They take what they defense gives them. They use Gore the way we should use Forte. Maybe we can learn something from them?

[MoFugger]

Like I said,people are taking them to lightly.

Bears -------- Niners

Offense 27th - 11th
Defense 10th - 5th
Kicking 3rd - 31st
Kick return 32nd - 10th
Punting 24th - 22nd
Punt return 13th - 5th
FG 7th - 17th

Oh, I know what the numbers are, but so much of stats are are skewed buy game situations and opponents (garbage time production, level of opponent, weather)

I noticed you didn't include scoring differental, turnover differential....etc. You can always finds stats to make any point you want to (I know I'm the king of it)

But the eye test tells me we are a superior team to the Niners. I didn't feel that way last week against to Texans, but against the Niners I do. I watched their entire game last week and other then Alden Smith, Vernon Davis, and 4 of their 5 O-line man I don't think any of their 'started' would start over ours..( I know many/most would say Willis over Urlacher...but I refuse to).

I'm not going to argue with those that feel the Niners are a better team, I just don't see it that way.

I think Seattle is better then them in their own division and think think the Bears, Packers, and Falcons are all far superior in the NFC, they have already lost to the Giants.. so at the very least I see 5 superior teams in the NFC alone. Yet I feel many act like they are one of the top 3 or 4 teams in the league and I really don't see it that way.

Wow. I'll give you this, you are a loyal Bears fan. But, wow.

[mbrs!]

Imagine what this team could be like with the 49ers OL. We wouldn't have to call 1 man routes anymore.

It's funny. Kurt Warner mentioned on Waddle and Silvy that the Bears offense under Tice is very simple, so that it needed WRs who could get open. Currently, only Marshall has been able to do that consistently.

With Marz, the offense was complex, but it enabled average receivers to get open, if the OL could afford them enough time.

Martz would love to call 5 man blocking, to increase the number of targets, but it was getting Cutler killed. With Tice, he's calling 1 man routes to protect Cutler, but that means throwing to a double or tripple covered target.

Either offense would work with the 49ers OL, LOL!

[Funkster]

I would rather like to imagine what we would look like, with pats, saints and even the bronco's O line! Every time cutler has time to throw, it's big yardage down field. This is how brady,brees and manning put up huge numbers week in and week out.


I still don't think we win this game, but the only hope we have is to get Bush the ball. He needs to touch the ball 20 times. He is a down hill runner and will keep us in manageable 3rd down situations. If we can establish a run game and stay with it, it will open up the pass late in the game.

[Otis Day]

We talk about better OL, WRs that are marginal, but no mention of Cutler making our WRs better. I know it is a chicken and egg conversation, but qbs can make their WRs better. Most qbs can do it but I haven't seen that out of Cutler. Look at Cobb in GB. He was seen as a returner. He is getting a chance this year and the kid is producing. His #s are up there with Nelson's (probably due to him missing a couple of games). All those GB WRs produce and they are not all world.

I think and hope with a better OL this may soon happen. Cutler will have more time and he can get others the ball. the catch will have to be made of course. We can just quit chucking it to Davis.

[Funkster]

Don't take this wrong because I think Cutler is a better qb than campbell overall. However, I think campbell with his window/timing passing will do better with this wr corp than cutler. Cutler "has to see the wr open" before he throws it. I think campbell will have more total yards in a single game than cutler has. I think players like bennett and Hester will benefit from the way campbell throws more timing passes. Campbell may dink and dunk more but at least we will get some yards out of it. It seems when Cutler is at the helm, it is either huge yards down field or nothing.

I am really anxious to see the difference between Cutler and Campbell and the way the two qb's run the same offense.

[EverybodyHatesCutler]

I think everyone is giving the 9ers team a bit too much credit.

They survived the Rams only because of two procedure penalties in OT.

They lost to the Queens.

They got destroyed by the Giants.

Yes it's always tough to win on the road, but if we take care of the ball I think our defense is actually much much better (at least from a 'difference making' point of view) then the Niners and neither of the offenses are worth a shit.

We have better special teams, better defense, and both offenses are not even worth talking about....so the only reason this contest should be close is because Frisco is at home IMO.

If you haven't watched the Niners this year, Justin Smith has been quite and their secondary has had a lot of brain farts. Let them make the mistakes instead of forcing one..take easy plays underneath and make their secondary make the tackle. Nip, nip, nip and then let them take a bad angle or miss a tackle and give us the big play.

I'm going to print a thousand copies of this post and throw them to the masses in candlestick park.

Are you going to be at the game? I'll be there sitting in section 29

[UOK]

I'm going to post the daily news blurbs in this thread today, since there's not much news, plus there will be a combined news thread for tonight's postgame and tomorrow morning reactions.

So enjoy.

Trib: Four downs: Time for backup QB Campbell

Trib: What if Harbaugh coached Bears?

Trib: Good time for Bears to generate running game

RR-Star: Chicago Bears' defense in the spotlight Monday

ESPN: Mike Ditka released from hospital

CBS Sports: Bears Campbell gears up for big stage facing 49ers

CBS Sports: Bears WR Brandon Marshall explains difference between Cutler, Campbell

Mercury News: San Francisco 49ers vs. Chicago Bears an underrated rivalry

[HurricaneBear]

It's been years since i've gone into a game actually thinking we would lose....but that's how I feel today. It's like the season is just setting us up for a thrashing. Here's hoping i'm wrong or if it does happen it's just a wake up call to the offense(outside ofBmarsh and Forte) to start playing real football.

[Rgrigutis]

They'll have 8 in the box so it's on Campbell and the ol especially to find the holes on the short to intermediate routes. Wish we had a screen game but oh well. I think the d will hold them to 17 or less and we'll need to play mistake free penalty free on the o side to win.

On the issue of someone other than Marshall to step up: start throwing them the ball! With Jeffrey back sit Hester totally. Make Bennett or Jeffrey primary for a while and come back to Marshall

[DaDitka]

Urlacher is one of the best to ever play the game,hands down, but to say you would take him over willis today is just homer talk.

Yup.....and I thought I eluded to that in my post.


Sorry....a team that is averaging 16 points a game and 200 passing yards over their last 4 contests doesn't exactly strike fear in my heart.

This game is there for our offense to 'loose' we don't need them to 'win' it.

Obviously if our D doesn't show up, all bets are off. But I think we match up well against this particular opponent. (especially since they seem to have forgotten who Vernon Davis is)

[RING4CHI]

Jason Campbell is no Jay Cutler, but he's better than Caleb Hanie, or Todd Collins, who replaced Cutler the last time he was concussed.

[DaDitka]

Jason Campbell is no Jay Cutler, but he's better than Caleb Hanie, or Todd Collins, who replaced Cutler the last time he was concussed.

Let's be honest....we're talking about replacing the guy running the leagues second worst passing attack and is responsible for more turnovers then TDs. It can't really be that big of a deal.

Yes...I totally understand that many of those things are not Jay's fault and I'm not bashing him.

But the fact is that if the offense wasn't gaining yards and turning the ball over.....how much worse can it 'really' get?

[wab]

Jason Campbell is no Jay Cutler, but he's better than Caleb Hanie, or Todd Collins, who replaced Cutler the last time he was concussed.

Let's be honest....we're talking about replacing the guy running the leagues second worst passing attack and is responsible for more turnovers then TDs. It can't really be that big of a deal.

Yes...I totally understand that many of those things are not Jay's fault and I'm not bashing him.

But the fact is that if the offense wasn't gaining yards and turning the ball over.....how much worse can it 'really' get?

Yet you always point to Jay in these posts and never really offer up the "other things" that contribute to the problem

[IE]

Let's be honest....we're talking about replacing the guy running the leagues second worst passing attack and is responsible for more turnovers then TDs. It can't really be that big of a deal.

Yes...I totally understand that many of those things are not Jay's fault and I'm not bashing him.

But the fact is that if the offense wasn't gaining yards and turning the ball over.....how much worse can it 'really' get?

Yet you always point to Jay in these posts and never really offer up the "other things" that contribute to the problem

Exactly. Jay has been playing mostly crappy this year. This isn't Erin Rodgers or Petunia Manning we're replacing here.

I'll go as far as to say that Kyle Ortman would be 9-0 as the QB of this year's team.

[dadoc]

I can't believe we are Facebook friends

[IE]

I can't believe we are Facebook friends

Just stirrin' it up!

[Funkster]

Well Alex smith isn't playing, this changes a lot. Kaepernick is very mobile and will run first and pass later. We usually handle mobile qb's very well. I think with Kaepernick at qb, that makes Gore's ground assault easier to stop. we may have a better chance than I first thought.

I am changing my prediction. Bears 17 Niners 13

I still want to see a heavy dose of Bush, wow, I can't remember myself ever saying those words together

[IE]

I still want to see a heavy dose of Bush.

Don't we all. We really need to pound Bush all night ... get Bush all lathered up, and keep pounding.

By cracky.

[DaDitka]

Let's be honest....we're talking about replacing the guy running the leagues second worst passing attack and is responsible for more turnovers then TDs. It can't really be that big of a deal.

Yes...I totally understand that many of those things are not Jay's fault and I'm not bashing him.

But the fact is that if the offense wasn't gaining yards and turning the ball over.....how much worse can it 'really' get?

Yet you always point to Jay in these posts and never really offer up the "other things" that contribute to the problem

Because those other things will be the same with Jay out Jason under center so they are not relevant to this argument. Jason can not produce much less since Jay wasn't producing himself. I'm speaking to the impact the QB has, not their abilities. No matter what is wrong that is holding them back.those factors will be the same no matter who is under center.

[crueltyabc]

DD the footballoutsiders back your point with their DVOA stat. Cutler is ranked 32, which makes him better than only Gabbert and Cassell when you consider the strength of defenses he faced. I love Jay but he hasn't been executing for a variety of reasons, and the QB is not why we're 7-2. Let's be real about that.

Anyway... with both backups playing, the coaches will want to rely on the run... but we're talking about the #1 and #3 rushing defenses in the NFL so that's not gonna work. That means the teams have to score some other way:

Passing after unsuccessful run on first down: Of the two QBs I have more trust in Campbell. He will protect the ball and give our guys a chance to make a play after the catch. Marshall and Hester are very scary in this capacity.

Defense scoring: Adv to us because we scheme for it, believe in it, and we're facing an inexp QB
Special Teams big play: Adv to us. I know Hester hasn't done it yet, but he's still capable of scoring or creating a short field.

As a result I'm sticking with my original prediction 17-10 Bears. Both teams manage only one good drive, one score on a short field, and we find another TD somewhere else. Big play, pick 6, Hester You Are Ridiculous, etc.

[jnastorer]

An offensive suckfest for both teams, especially if both #2s are playing. Don't have much faith in the Bear O against this SF D not matter who is taking snaps. And Kapernick, yea, like he has a chance.

Bears - 6
SF - 3

I actually agree with this, except that I believe we get 2 TD's via the D and/or STs and I think that offensively, it will be 6-3 SF, so final score BEARS 17- SF 6.

[Ormazd]

The defense will keep us in the game, just lie they did last week. If the offense can get out of their own way long enough to make just a couple drives, Bears will win.

[Boris13c]

The defense will keep us in the game, just lie they did last week. If the offense can get out of their own way long enough to make just a couple drives, Bears will win.

looking at how Chad Henne and that juggernaut Jacksonville team ripped apart the Texans defense yesterday makes the Bears failed offense against those same Texans look even worse

[IE]

The defense will keep us in the game, just lie they did last week. If the offense can get out of their own way long enough to make just a couple drives, Bears will win.

looking at how Chad Henne and that juggernaut Jacksonville team ripped apart the Texans defense yesterday makes the Bears failed offense against those same Texans look even worse

I don't think the Texans taking an emotional week off against the worst team in the league translates into anything about the Bears.

[MoFugger]

looking at how Chad Henne and that juggernaut Jacksonville team ripped apart the Texans defense yesterday makes the Bears failed offense against those same Texans look even worse

I don't think the Texans taking an emotional week off against the worst team in the league translates into anything about the Bears.

I think it does, being that 3 out of the last 4 games the offense couldn't score over 14 points.
But it's a good news bad news thing. The good news is we held Shaub to under 100 yards passing and yesterday he had over 500 and 5 TDs,
So we are in any game if we don't turn the ball over. I just hope we aren't playing from behind late because that will be ugly.

[IE]

I don't think the Texans taking an emotional week off against the worst team in the league translates into anything about the Bears.

I think it does, being that 3 out of the last 4 games the offense couldn't score over 14 points.
But it's a good news bad news thing. The good news is we held Shaub to under 100 yards passing and yesterday he had over 500 and 5 TDs,
So we are in any game if we don't turn the ball over. I just hope we aren't playing from behind late because that will be ugly.

I'm not saying the Bear offense doens't need a lot of improvement - but there have been a lot of points left on the field ... meaning I don't think it as bad as it has looked on paper.

[Funkster]

The defense will keep us in the game, just lie they did last week.

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Everyone keeps relying on our defense,what happens when they have a bad day? We are gonna loose. I am tired of relying on the defense to win every game. They have been doing their job since 06'. Someone on the offense without the last name Marshall needs to step up and make plays. If our offense could play half as good as the defense this team would be unstoppable.

[DaDitka]

I think it does, being that 3 out of the last 4 games the offense couldn't score over 14 points.
But it's a good news bad news thing. The good news is we held Shaub to under 100 yards passing and yesterday he had over 500 and 5 TDs,
So we are in any game if we don't turn the ball over. I just hope we aren't playing from behind late because that will be ugly.

I'm not saying the Bear offense doens't need a lot of improvement - but there have been a lot of points left on the field ... meaning I don't think it as bad as it has looked on paper.

Agreed...I actually probably felt the best I had all year. They protected Jay, Tice called a nice game, the secondary receivers even got open....we had a bunch of drops and fumbles in a monsoon.

Our offense is horrible and easily one of the worst units in all of the NFL......but I actually thought the Texans game was one of our 'better' displays (damn that's sad)

[DaDitka]

If our offense could play half as good as the defense this team would be unstoppable.

No doubt....but I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for them to get it together.