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Chargers pull offer to Joey Bosa, say value to team in '16 'jeopardized' by time missed
SAN DIEGO -- In an action that could result in the team's first-round selection sitting out for the foreseeable future, the San Diego Chargers announced that they had pulled their offer to defensive end Joey Bosa after he declined to accept the team's "best offer" on Wednesday.

Points of contention in the contract impasse remain offset language and the earlier payment of deferred signing bonus money.

The Chargers said in a statement they presented Bosa with an offer Tuesday night that included:

* an initial signing bonus payment that is larger than any rookie has received in the last two NFL drafts;

* more money in 2016 than every rookie in this year's class except the Philadelphia Eagles' Carson Wentz;

* the "largest payment and the highest percentage of signing bonus received in the first calendar" of any Chargers first-round pick since the adoption of the NFL's collective bargaining agreement in 2011.

The Chargers said Bosa, selected No. 3 overall in the 2016 draft, rejected the offer Wednesday.

According to a source familiar with the negotiation, the Chargers offered to pay Bosa 85 percent of his $17 million signing bonus at the time of signing, and the rest in the new league calendar year in March. Bosa's camp remained steadfast in receiving the entire signing bonus by the end of this year.

The Chargers also appear unwilling to move off of the inclusion of offset language in the contract, pointing to the fact that 29 of the 31 first-round draft picks in this year's draft have offset language in their contracts.

"The offer that we extended was for Joey to contribute during all 16 games and beyond. Joey's ability to contribute for an entire rookie season has now been jeopardized by the valuable time he has missed with his coaches and his teammates," the team said in the statement.

"Since Joey will not report at this time, his ability to produce not just early in the season, but throughout the entire season, has been negatively impacted.

"As a result, we will restructure our offer since Joey will be unable to contribute for the full 16 game season without the adequate time on the practice field, in the classroom, and in preseason games."

The Chargers and Bosa's representation stopped communication on July 28 once the team realized that the Ohio State product would not report to camp. However, talks picked up in the past two weeks, with the Chargers wanting to get Bosa into camp so the team could get him ready for the regular season.

Bosa is the only unsigned first-round pick from the 2016 draft.

Bosa cannot be traded this season as, according to NFL rules, he had until Aug. 8 to sign his contract in order for the Chargers to trade his rights to another team. If he were to remain unsigned this season, he is permitted only to sign with the Chargers until the first day of the 2017 draft.

all I know is that is a shit ton of money being talked about for someone to simply walk away from

guess maybe he didn't want to go to San Diego?
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What a cluster that team is.
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This is not on Bosa. Bosa doesn't have a track record of pulling this shit. The Chargers, on the other hand...
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Doesn't every other team have the clauses in their contracts that the Chargers do? I've read on it a little and it does seem the Chargers haven't had the best track record getting contracts done, but the sticking points seem petty compared to what's at stake for him.
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San Diego is 100% in the right here.

Last year's #1 pick James Winston has the exact same parameters in his contract.

Bosa's argument is only supported by the Jags who have not put offset language in their last two first round contracts.

It is a strict policy with the Chargers and it should be with every team.

If you don't like the offset language, work hard and don't get cut.

The deferred guaranteed money is a joke. It's still 100% guaranteed.

He will get less money now.....in the long run probably much less money.

He will never be excepted in that locker room, he will never sign a second deal in San Diego, and he will never be tagged.

So he's going to get a smaller deal from the Chargers now, and without a tag setting a possible floor for his second deal...he's going to have to be one of the best at his position to maximize his earning potential in his second deal.

Considering he clearly doesn't 'love' football, considering many think his a poor fit for the system, considering all the shit he's going to get in the locker room, and considering how far behind he is now as a rookie....what are the odds of him being among the leagues best in 4 years when he hits the market? It's not impossible......but it's probably less the 1%.
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DaDitka wrote:San Diego is 100% in the right here.

Last year's #1 pick James Winston has the exact same parameters in his contract.

Bosa's argument is only supported by the Jags who have not put offset language in their last two first round contracts.

It is a strict policy with the Chargers and it should be with every team.

If you don't like the offset language, work hard and don't get cut.

The deferred guaranteed money is a joke. It's still 100% guaranteed.

He will get less money now.....in the long run probably much less money.

He will never be excepted in that locker room, he will never sign a second deal in San Diego, and he will never be tagged.

So he's going to get a smaller deal from the Chargers now, and without a tag setting a possible floor for his second deal...he's going to have to be one of the best at his position to maximize his earning potential in his second deal.

Considering he clearly doesn't 'love' football, considering many think his a poor fit for the system, considering all the shit he's going to get in the locker room, and considering how far behind he is now as a rookie....what are the odds of him being among the leagues best in 4 years when he hits the market? It's not impossible......but it's probably less the 1%.
The reason it's on SD is because they drafted him, in spite of everything you said...and everything that was known, they still drafted him.

Bad fit - check
Asshole - check
Limited potential - check
Average work ethic - check

Yet they still took him 3rd overall. A guy who, because of everything that has transpired, will probably be cut after two years and bounce around the league for a few more.
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Bosa is about to kill hisNFL dreams.
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wab wrote: The reason it's on SD is because they drafted him, in spite of everything you said...and everything that was known, they still drafted him.

Bad fit - check
Asshole - check
Limited potential - check
Average work ethic - check

Yet they still took him 3rd overall. A guy who, because of everything that has transpired, will probably be cut after two years and bounce around the league for a few more.

Agreed (in regards to they shouldn't have drafted him)....I was just saying I don't think they are in the wrong in sticking to their guns on the offset and deferred language in the contract.

Now....if they weren't offering is slotted value or were short changing him guaranteed $s...we'd be having a different discussion.
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from all reports published, San Diego was not trying to pull a fast one with Bossa's contract ... they used the base template 99% of the rest of the teams use, and the $$$ amount is certainly more than fair

so I agree that as far as the contract issues go, San Diego has done nothing wrong

not sure who is pulling Bossa's strings, but whoever it is does not appear to be looking at the big picture ... guy was going to get frontline money as a part time player and is turning his nose up?
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Do you think Bosa would've tried pulling this with any other team if the draft went differently ? Is it just because it's San Diego that there hasn't been a bigger backlash on Bosa ?
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4 year deal reached.
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Joey Bosa ends ugly stalemate with Chargers, signs four-year deal
The holdup in negotiations was that Bosa wanted one of two things from the Chargers: He either wanted no offset language in his contract OR he wanted his entire signing bonus paid during the 2016 calendar year.

Offset language is important to a player because it potentially gives them the ability to be paid twice if they get cut. If Bosa were to be released in Year 4 of his deal and then sign with a new team, he would collect paychecks from both his new team and the Chargers, since his entire rookie deal is guaranteed.

If there is offset language in a contract, then the player can only collect a certain amount of money from the team that cut him if he signs with a new team. For instance, if Bosa was scheduled to make $5 million in the final of year of his deal, but got cut, and then signed by another team for $2 million, the Chargers would owe him $3 million and the new team would give him $2 million so he'd get the entire five millions. Without offset language, Bosa would collect $5 million from the Chargers AND $2 million from his new team.

On the Chargers end, they wanted Bosa's deal to include offsets and they wanted to defer part of his signing bonus to March 2017. That led to a stalemate that quickly turned into one of the ugliest rookie negotiations in recent NFL history.

According to ESPN.com, the Chargers got their wish with offset language, which was included in Bosa's deal. For Bosa, he received the largest upfront signing bonus in Chargers history.
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Not seeing it getting much coverage, but Bosa shook up his agents (fired one co-agent and hired another) after the Chargers made their threats and suddenly.....shit got done.

I've been pretty hard on Bosa in this one and it's sounds like it may have been a bit to do with his representation....however, those guys work for him. So in the end....it's his responsibility.

Still think he's (likely) cost himself a lot of money in the long run.
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