Update - Tyrod Taylor stays in Buffalo

[Rusty Trombagent]

its getting hot in here

[malk]

its getting hot in here

You need to buy me a drink before I take anything off.

[malk]

http://overthecap.com/looking-tyrod-taylor-rex-ryan-buffalo-bills/

What would that valuation be? I think it’s a matter of debate and will depend on how many teams are interested. I am always of the mindset that things that go bad in a prior year impact future decisions around the NFL and this year a lot of things went bad for quarterbacks. Brock Osweiler and his $37 million guarantee hit the bench for a $600,000 a year player. Sam Bradford may be headed to a losing season in Minnesota. Ryan Fitzpatrick was benched for Geno Smith and then Bryce Petty. Griffin never got off the ground with the Browns before landing on IR. You also have the recent flops of Kaepernick and Foles still on the mind. I could see the question mark quarterback get dinged in 2017 because teams won’t be so risky with their approach.

I prefer their numbers to their analysis but if this is at all true it bodes well for going after the likes of Taylor or Glennon as a stopgap whilst the rook learns.

[Funkster]

When the Bills defence keeps the opposition below 20 points Tyrod Taylor is 13-2.

Here we go again! The famous 20 points and below stat. You might want to compare the 20 points and under stat with the 24+ Column. This may give you a better reading as to how much QB X is contributing to winning games. IMO, the 20 under stat reflects more on the teams defense than it does the QB. You don't have to look much further than a QB like Russell Wilson's 20 under and 24+ stats to see a glaring difference in win/loss record.

I read this article from the buffalo news, the article was from Oct-Nov so the number might not be spot on but you get the idea. "In Taylor's year and a half with the Bills, his teams are 2-7 in games when they've been tied or within one possession (eight points) at any point the fourth quarter. Taylor's numbers in those situations are poor: A completion percentage of 45.2 percent, a quarterback rating of 50.3 and more interceptions (3) than touchdowns (2)."

I typically am not a fan of duel threat QB's in the NFL. History says that style of play is not sustainable. Taylor can put up points both with his arm and legs. I would rather have a prototypical QB but the options for starting caliber QB's in the NFL are limited. I guess if I were making the decision to start a rookie or Taylor, I'm going with Taylor just for the fact you know what you're getting. I still don't believe Taylor is the bears best option if winning is truly their goal next season. It's funny how "available" Taylor is under contract but Cousins isn't even an option. This is going to be one crazy off season for the bears and their fans!

Dude, you know I posted that with tongue firmly in cheek right?!

He's also 15-4 when his defence keeps it under 27

Of course Cousins is an option by myself and quite a few others don't think he'll be allowed to hit the market. Taylor is much, much more likely to. That's it in a nutshell.

At the start of the season I had no time for Taylor, thought he was a Foles esque flash in the pan. Now I think he can a) play and b) look after the football. He's only thrown more than one interception in a game once and that was in a game against the Patriots where he also threw three touchdowns and rushed for another (I'm not saying it was a good game for him).

I'm intrigued because I think he could fit our offensive personnel and I think he could (not will) be available for less than QBs with his stats normally go for. Also because normally a team would keep their Cutler in this scenario but that just doesn't feel right for anyone concerned.

Dude, I kinda figured you were messing but there was no smiling face or ha ha or lol. When talking QB's it gets crazy around here fast. I was just making sure it wasn't turning in to one of those threads were crazy stats like when Taylor double knot ties his left cleat he's 25-0!

Otherwise I agree with you, I think he can play and would fit the bears offense nicely. I definitely think the bears could do a lot worse...cough Barkley cough I'm not a fan of back yard type football but whatever brings the bears wins next season I'll welcome with open arms.

[ysleblanc]

If the front office is dead set against starting Cutler next year, for me Taylor is a lot better option than Hoyer.

regardless, they need a QB early, likely the top 40-45 picks regardless of who starts though.

[docc]

Well..we would have a QB named after a auto suspension/steering component..
So there is that.

[Boris13c]

Well..we would have a QB named after a auto suspension/steering component..
So there is that.

if the Bears wish to pursue Buffalo QB's, then I think they would be better served with Geno Smith over Autopart Taylor

Smith kind of got lost in the shuffle in Buffalo ... I remember him coming to Chicago as the starter and killing the favored Bears on the Bears home field ... not sure why he fell out of favor or why Buffalo didn't want to work with him ... there's some untapped qualities in him and I think he can be a perfectly functional and effective QB ... and he'd be cheaper than Taylor

[wab]

Well..we would have a QB named after a auto suspension/steering component..
So there is that.

if the Bears wish to pursue Buffalo QB's, then I think they would be better served with Geno Smith over Autopart Taylor

Smith kind of got lost in the shuffle in Buffalo ... I remember him coming to Chicago as the starter and killing the favored Bears on the Bears home field ... not sure why he fell out of favor or why Buffalo didn't want to work with him ... there's some untapped qualities in him and I think he can be a perfectly functional and effective QB

They don't all look the same man! Except in G08's case

[G08]

Well..we would have a QB named after a auto suspension/steering component..
So there is that.

if the Bears wish to pursue Buffalo QB's, then I think they would be better served with Geno Smith over Autopart Taylor

Smith kind of got lost in the shuffle in Buffalo ... I remember him coming to Chicago as the starter and killing the favored Bears on the Bears home field ... not sure why he fell out of favor or why Buffalo didn't want to work with him ... there's some untapped qualities in him and I think he can be a perfectly functional and effective QB

They don't all look the same man! Except in G08's case

That's racist!

[Boris13c]

pardon me while I reset my brain functions .... 3 ... 2 ... 1





if the Bears wish to pursue Buffalo QB's, then I think they would be better served with EJ Manuel over Autopart Taylor

Manuel kind of got lost in the shuffle in Buffalo ... I remember him coming to Chicago as the starter and killing the favored Bears on the Bears home field ... not sure why he fell out of favor or why Buffalo didn't want to work with him ... there's some untapped qualities in him and I think he can be a perfectly functional and effective QB ... and he'd be cheaper than Taylor

[Rusty Trombagent]

i really see him as a akili smith/henry burris/ uh... byron leftwich kind of player.

[docc]

Really can't see Taylor steering the Bears offense.

[Funkster]

Really can't see Taylor steering the Bears offense.

Now that is funny!

[malk]

In PFF's offensive line review they mention that Taylor holds onto the ball longer than any other QB. That's worrying but makes his stats look even better. I wonder if it's scheme based or if it could be coached out of him?

[G08]

Yeah I'm good with Hoyer/Barkley competing for the starting gig, the loser being backup, and Deshaun Watson being #3 until he's ready to take over... which I hope is like week 3 at the latest

[Funkster]

In PFF's offensive line review they mention that Taylor holds onto the ball longer than any other QB. That's worrying but makes his stats look even better. I wonder if it's scheme based or if it could be coached out of him?

That's one of the problems duel threat QB's have, and one of the main reason I dislike back yard football. If you watch Russell Wilson play, the Seahawks will never have a decent O-line with him under center.

Yeah I'm good with Hoyer/Barkley competing for the starting gig, the loser being backup, and Deshaun Watson being #3 until he's ready to take over... which I hope is like week 3 at the latest

Damn, going all in already?

[ysleblanc]

pardon me while I reset my brain functions .... 3 ... 2 ... 1





if the Bears wish to pursue Buffalo QB's, then I think they would be better served with EJ Manuel over Autopart Taylor

Manuel kind of got lost in the shuffle in Buffalo ... I remember him coming to Chicago as the starter and killing the favored Bears on the Bears home field ... not sure why he fell out of favor or why Buffalo didn't want to work with him ... there's some untapped qualities in him and I think he can be a perfectly functional and effective QB ... and he'd be cheaper than Taylor

Manuel has not shown much at the NFL level in 3-4 stints as starter. Maybe something will click going to a new team, but at this point Taylor is a much safer investment of the two.

I guess it depends if you want a starter or just add a guy that can compete for a #2 job.

[Atkins&Rebel]

In PFF's offensive line review they mention that Taylor holds onto the ball longer than any other QB. That's worrying but makes his stats look even better. I wonder if it's scheme based or if it could be coached out of him?

Play action, read option and roll outs all contribute to his holding the ball more. Again, he won't ever look like Peyton Manning for a whole game et alone a season, but he has moments of tremendous long ball touch, and short ball accuracy. Surround him with a good running game and he won't be the reason you lose a game and will more often than not be a contributing factor in the win. If that's the kind of offense you're willing to run, there are several worse options than Taylor out there. "Turnover" Jay Cutler being one of them.

[ysleblanc]

In PFF's offensive line review they mention that Taylor holds onto the ball longer than any other QB. That's worrying but makes his stats look even better. I wonder if it's scheme based or if it could be coached out of him?

Play action, read option and roll outs all contribute to his holding the ball more. Again, he won't ever look like Peyton Manning for a whole game et alone a season, but he has moments of tremendous long ball touch, and short ball accuracy. Surround him with a good running game and he won't be the reason you lose a game and will more often than not be a contributing factor in the win. If that's the kind of offense you're willing to run, there are several worse options than Taylor out there. "Turnover" Jay Cutler being one of them.

If you're willing to run the ball, use play action and roll outs, Cutler will have very good numbers.

[Atkins&Rebel]

In PFF's offensive line review they mention that Taylor holds onto the ball longer than any other QB. That's worrying but makes his stats look even better. I wonder if it's scheme based or if it could be coached out of him?

Play action, read option and roll outs all contribute to his holding the ball more. Again, he won't ever look like Peyton Manning for a whole game et alone a season, but he has moments of tremendous long ball touch, and short ball accuracy. Surround him with a good running game and he won't be the reason you lose a game and will more often than not be a contributing factor in the win. If that's the kind of offense you're willing to run, there are several worse options than Taylor out there. "Turnover" Jay Cutler being one of them.

If you're willing to run the ball, use play action and roll outs, Cutler will have very good numbers.

Until he checks out of the play or tries to force the ball. Cutler seems to think he can beat anyone with his arm...until he doesn't. He's also a guy who has to see a guy open before he throws, not throw a guy open as he makes a cut. Cutler also has too much Vinny Testaverde in him, in that he doesn't ever seem to learn from his mistakes and make protecting the ball a priority. Cutler's long ball accuracy and touch is about as reliable as cable TV customer service. Cutler has led the league in INT's twice, and has only been under double digit INT's if he played 10 games or less. Those are not very good numbers. Those are very average numbers.

Tyrod, for all his faults, does know how to protect the ball. He gives any team a better chance at winning than Cutler does. Not 30 million guaranteed better, and that is why Buffalo will most likely drop him.

[Philtration]

He is 6' 1" and 217 lbs. and for a guy that likes to run and takes a lot of hits that is not idea.
He gets sacked a lot.
He will be 28 years old at the start of the 2017 season.
He is coming off of surgery for a sports hernia injury and that is going to come into play with his complicated contract mess.
He will probably not be healed before the Bills must make a decision about letting him go before his $15.5MM option bonus is due March 12th.
If he is not fully healed by March 12th then the Bills will owe him $27.5MM in salary for 2017.
Will his new team be on the hook for that?
If they cut him before that and he is not healed then the players union would argue that he’s entitled to his pay for next season.
More drama.
All of that before you even find out what they would want in trade or if he gets cut the bidding war that may follow. Even so-so players can be the prize in a bidding war between two or three teams.

[malk]

He's likely to be cut so it'd be a case of gettting him to sign a free agent contract. I don't see him getting a big multi year deal, it was strange that Buffalo did in the first place.

One or two years to further prove himself for a contract before he hits 30? That could be a possibility.

[ysleblanc]

In PFF's offensive line review they mention that Taylor holds onto the ball longer than any other QB. That's worrying but makes his stats look even better. I wonder if it's scheme based or if it could be coached out of him?

Play action, read option and roll outs all contribute to his holding the ball more. Again, he won't ever look like Peyton Manning for a whole game et alone a season, but he has moments of tremendous long ball touch, and short ball accuracy. Surround him with a good running game and he won't be the reason you lose a game and will more often than not be a contributing factor in the win. If that's the kind of offense you're willing to run, there are several worse options than Taylor out there. "Turnover" Jay Cutler being one of them.

If you're willing to run the ball, use play action and roll outs, Cutler will have very good numbers.

Until he checks out of the play or tries to force the ball. Cutler seems to think he can beat anyone with his arm...until he doesn't. He's also a guy who has to see a guy open before he throws, not throw a guy open as he makes a cut. Cutler also has too much Vinny Testaverde in him, in that he doesn't ever seem to learn from his mistakes and make protecting the ball a priority. Cutler's long ball accuracy and touch is about as reliable as cable TV customer service. Cutler has led the league in INT's twice, and has only been under double digit INT's if he played 10 games or less. Those are not very good numbers. Those are very average numbers.

Tyrod, for all his faults, does know how to protect the ball. He gives any team a better chance at winning than Cutler does. Not 30 million guaranteed better, and that is why Buffalo will most likely drop him.

Cutler had good numbers in 2015 mostly with Mariani Wilson and Bellamy. I'm sure he can run a good offense with a strong running game plus Jeffery and White outside with Meredith developing.

[Atkins&Rebel]

In PFF's offensive line review they mention that Taylor holds onto the ball longer than any other QB. That's worrying but makes his stats look even better. I wonder if it's scheme based or if it could be coached out of him?

Play action, read option and roll outs all contribute to his holding the ball more. Again, he won't ever look like Peyton Manning for a whole game et alone a season, but he has moments of tremendous long ball touch, and short ball accuracy. Surround him with a good running game and he won't be the reason you lose a game and will more often than not be a contributing factor in the win. If that's the kind of offense you're willing to run, there are several worse options than Taylor out there. "Turnover" Jay Cutler being one of them.

If you're willing to run the ball, use play action and roll outs, Cutler will have very good numbers.

Until he checks out of the play or tries to force the ball. Cutler seems to think he can beat anyone with his arm...until he doesn't. He's also a guy who has to see a guy open before he throws, not throw a guy open as he makes a cut. Cutler also has too much Vinny Testaverde in him, in that he doesn't ever seem to learn from his mistakes and make protecting the ball a priority. Cutler's long ball accuracy and touch is about as reliable as cable TV customer service. Cutler has led the league in INT's twice, and has only been under double digit INT's if he played 10 games or less. Those are not very good numbers. Those are very average numbers.

Tyrod, for all his faults, does know how to protect the ball. He gives any team a better chance at winning than Cutler does. Not 30 million guaranteed better, and that is why Buffalo will most likely drop him.

Cutler had good numbers in 2015 mostly with Mariani Wilson and Bellamy. I'm sure he can run a good offense with a strong running game plus Jeffery and White outside with Meredith developing.

And Trent Dilfer won a superbowl that 1 year...next!

[ysleblanc]

In PFF's offensive line review they mention that Taylor holds onto the ball longer than any other QB. That's worrying but makes his stats look even better. I wonder if it's scheme based or if it could be coached out of him?

Play action, read option and roll outs all contribute to his holding the ball more. Again, he won't ever look like Peyton Manning for a whole game et alone a season, but he has moments of tremendous long ball touch, and short ball accuracy. Surround him with a good running game and he won't be the reason you lose a game and will more often than not be a contributing factor in the win. If that's the kind of offense you're willing to run, there are several worse options than Taylor out there. "Turnover" Jay Cutler being one of them.

If you're willing to run the ball, use play action and roll outs, Cutler will have very good numbers.

Until he checks out of the play or tries to force the ball. Cutler seems to think he can beat anyone with his arm...until he doesn't. He's also a guy who has to see a guy open before he throws, not throw a guy open as he makes a cut. Cutler also has too much Vinny Testaverde in him, in that he doesn't ever seem to learn from his mistakes and make protecting the ball a priority. Cutler's long ball accuracy and touch is about as reliable as cable TV customer service. Cutler has led the league in INT's twice, and has only been under double digit INT's if he played 10 games or less. Those are not very good numbers. Those are very average numbers.

Tyrod, for all his faults, does know how to protect the ball. He gives any team a better chance at winning than Cutler does. Not 30 million guaranteed better, and that is why Buffalo will most likely drop him.

Cutler had good numbers in 2015 mostly with Mariani Wilson and Bellamy. I'm sure he can run a good offense with a strong running game plus Jeffery and White outside with Meredith developing.

And Trent Dilfer won a superbowl that 1 year...next!

Dilfer won a Super Bowl with one of the best defenses of all time. Cutler kept the Bears in a lot of games with no defense, mediocre running game and #5 and 6 receivers.

[malk]

All this Garoppolo talk has reminded me I'd much prefer Taylor!

[UOK]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... m=referral" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Bills expected to retain Taylor.

[wab]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... m=referral

Bills expected to retain Taylor.

Makes sense. He's a good fit in Dennison's offense.

[Boris13c]

Bills say Tyrod Taylor is medically cleared

The Bills say quarterback Tyrod Taylor is healthy enough to play — and potentially healthy enough to get cut.

A team source told Adam Schefter that Taylor has been medically cleared from his January groin surgery.

It’s significant that this is coming from a team source, rather than directly from Taylor. The Bills can cut Taylor by March 11 and not have to pay his $27.5 million guarantee, but only if he can pass a physical. If the Bills choose not to pick up Taylor’s guarantee, it’s still possible that Taylor could file a grievance and claim he isn’t yet healthy.

If the Bills cut Taylor, he becomes an unrestricted free agent. If he’s still on the team after March 11, that means the Bills are committed to him as their quarterback.

not sure how much of this has substance and how much is just writers reaching for a story

if there is an actual disagreement between the Bills and Taylor regarding his health, is it something that will be solved by his physical exam or is it something able to cause a much deeper rift between the 2 sides?

[wab]

Yeah, I just read that PFT article.