With this, the two plays I remember the most in the ASU and Oklahoma games that stood out to me were when he kept his head enough while getting hit to switch the ball over to his left hand and find a way to get the ball out of bounds rather than take the sack... just kind of a crafty veteran moveFunkster wrote:My first impression is sloppy video game type player. But as you keep watching, he demands your attention. You're not going to "fix" him mechanically in season. He needs to sit and learn the system. With that said, I think he is a player that will never have great mechanics and he may not need them. I agree with this statement "Plus he has that cut-throat gunslinger mentality that I inherently love, but those dudes can get you in a lot of trouble." I would also like to add they can get you out of trouble as well. I'll hop on board the Mahomes train and see how he performs at the combine. This kid has something!G08 wrote:I think they both need work.
I like Mahomes more personally... better arm and more athletic. Plus he has that cut-throat gunslinger mentality that I inherently love, but those dudes can get you in a lot of trouble.
If Mahomes is the move in round 2, he has to sit for at least 8-10 games to work on mechanics and learning an NFL offense. More likely that he would need to sit for the season. Kizer you could probably throw into the fire a little bit sooner if you're convinced his mechanics have been hammered out. That's hard to do when you're developing and getting pressured in live action.
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At least one draftnik on twitter had Mahomes as his top QB
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As well as Ian Rapaport hearing that some talent evaluators consider Mahomes the top QB in the draft
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This year is going to be a major "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" type of draft at QB.
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This year is going to be a major "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" type of draft at QB.
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I'm at the stage now where if we're going to take a QB at #3 I'd still go with Mahomes. But I really want a trade down first.
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I think he's the best QB in this draft. I don't want a QB at #3 but if it happens I want the best guy not the one who fits the pick best.
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My head is completely fuckin' spun around at this point. I'm watching clips of Mahomes throw during his workouts / while taking snaps from under center and I'm re-smitten.
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Welcome back!G08 wrote:My head is completely fuckin' spun around at this point. I'm watching clips of Mahomes throw during his workouts / while taking snaps from under center and I'm re-smitten.
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But he can't read the field...
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I've said this before...but if the kid puts in the work, he has another month to make his drop backs look better and clean up his delivery a little. I think he has the best arm, if not he's close enough to say he does. I bet he's going to turn some of the draftnits heads at the combine. I'm not saying that I expect him to rise like Wentz did last year, but he has the potential and ability to do so.
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So are all the other QB prospects just sitting around the house and eating nachos?Atkins&Rebel wrote:I've said this before...but if the kid puts in the work, he has another month to make his drop backs look better and clean up his delivery a little. I think he has the best arm, if not he's close enough to say he does. I bet he's going to turn some of the draftnits heads at the combine. I'm not saying that I expect him to rise like Wentz did last year, but he has the potential and ability to do so.
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The only reason he isn't thought of as the #1 is mechanics. They are horrid. In those videos not under pressure they are better, but still a work in progress.
So what is fixable and what's not seems to be the theme of this QB class. Mechanics can be fixable, but it takes tons of perfect practice. Still under pressure and exhaustion people revert back to their natural state.
Then comes the offensive philosophy issues this entire class has. Again teachable but it becomes more of a projection.
I really like Mahomes. Projecting his career path is challenging.
So what is fixable and what's not seems to be the theme of this QB class. Mechanics can be fixable, but it takes tons of perfect practice. Still under pressure and exhaustion people revert back to their natural state.
Then comes the offensive philosophy issues this entire class has. Again teachable but it becomes more of a projection.
I really like Mahomes. Projecting his career path is challenging.
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What I like the most about Mahomes is even with poor mechanics and footwork, he is pretty accurate. So that leads to the question of if he will be super accurate when his footwork is cleaned up or will it actually break what makes him so accurate. Look at it like this, Bubba Watson does so many things wrong when he swings a golf club, but it is how he learned and it works for him... I mean he does have a green jacket... but that doesn't stop swing coaches from grimacing any time they hear him give advice on golf swings....mmmc_35 wrote:The only reason he isn't thought of as the #1 is mechanics. They are horrid. In those videos not under pressure they are better, but still a work in progress.
So what is fixable and what's not seems to be the theme of this QB class. Mechanics can be fixable, but it takes tons of perfect practice. Still under pressure and exhaustion people revert back to their natural state.
Then comes the offensive philosophy issues this entire class has. Again teachable but it becomes more of a projection.
I really like Mahomes. Projecting his career path is challenging.
Most likely Mahomes has played football all his life. He's had access to trainers, coaches and special position coaches. Do you think a month is really going to "change" his mechanics? You could see a tweak here or there for the underwear Olympic but as soon as the helmet and pads go on, those tweaks will go out the window. This kid can really spin the ball has good size and wants to throw from the pocket first and foremost but also has the ablitly to use his legs.
It's very surprising in his 2 years as the starter, with his sloppy lazy mechanics, he only threw 25 interceptions(41 TD's) in 1,164 attempts. Not to mention his 741 rushing yards and 22 rushing TD's. This kid once accounted for 819 yards in a single game. I'm definitely going to pay more attention to Mr. Patrick Mahomes II.
It's very surprising in his 2 years as the starter, with his sloppy lazy mechanics, he only threw 25 interceptions(41 TD's) in 1,164 attempts. Not to mention his 741 rushing yards and 22 rushing TD's. This kid once accounted for 819 yards in a single game. I'm definitely going to pay more attention to Mr. Patrick Mahomes II.
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He hasn't played football all his life.Funkster wrote:Most likely Mahomes has played football all his life. He's had access to trainers, coaches and special position coaches. Do you think a month is really going to "change" his mechanics? You could see a tweak here or there for the underwear Olympic but as soon as the helmet and pads go on, those tweaks will go out the window. This kid can really spin the ball has good size and wants to throw from the pocket first and foremost but also has the ablitly to use his legs.
It's very surprising in his 2 years as the starter, with his sloppy lazy mechanics, he only threw 25 interceptions(41 TD's) in 1,164 attempts. Not to mention his 741 rushing yards and 22 rushing TD's. This kid once accounted for 819 yards in a single game. I'm definitely going to pay more attention to Mr. Patrick Mahomes II.
Try Googling him, kid has an interesting story.
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He started playing football in 7th grade. Regardless, the point I'm making is he's had access to improve his mechanics for YEARS, a month isn't going to change much.
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Mahomes attended Whitehouse High School where he played both sports but didn't start at quarterback for Whitehouse until midway through his junior season.Funkster wrote:He started playing football in 7th grade. Regardless, the point I'm making is he's had access to improve his mechanics for YEARS, a month isn't going to change much.
There's clips of him on twitter throwing the ball, dropping back from center. Looks good.
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Not starting until junior year is pretty typical for a 4A-5A athlete. Doesn't mean he wasn't playing and surely doesn't mean he wasn't working on his skill. I've know coaches that play the quarters game and will split players between jv/varsity just because of player seniority.G08 wrote:Mahomes attended Whitehouse High School where he played both sports but didn't start at quarterback for Whitehouse until midway through his junior season.Funkster wrote:He started playing football in 7th grade. Regardless, the point I'm making is he's had access to improve his mechanics for YEARS, a month isn't going to change much.
There's clips of him on twitter throwing the ball, dropping back from center. Looks good.
Can you share the clip of him under center?
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It's on the twitters, I'll take a looksie in a bit
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Appearing as a guest on the Setting the Edge podcast this week, Rapoport stated that Texas Tech quarterback Patrick Mahomes might not make it to Round 2. He added that some NFL scouts see Mahomes as the top quarterback in this class. Mahomes has tremendous arm strength and athleticism, but he has to win in interviews and whiteboard sessions. That said, there is nothing keeping him from being the belle of the ball for a team in Round 1.
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There's clips of him on twitter throwing the ball, dropping back from center. Looks good.
Can you share the clip of him under center?
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I didn't like his throwing motion on the last one, want that cleaner and the ball held up a tick higher.
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I really like Mahomes, but I think he needs to ride the bench for at least a year in the pros. If the Bears can do that I want him.G08 wrote:This is a very, very early "MY GUY!" from me it's telling of how poorly I'm expecting this season to go
That being said, here's some very quick thoughts of mine on the kid:
I'm simply enamored by his athleticism, arm strength, size, and really his character: people have raved about it. His father played professional baseball and the kid spent a lot of his youth around professional athletes and it seems like it has rubbed off on him.
6'3" 230 lbs and he has a RIFLE for an arm (no joke, he can throw it 65 yards from his knees). He's this odd mix of Favre/Manziel/Rodgers when you look at his elite traits, but he still needs at least one year on the bench refining his mechanics (I don't like where he holds the ball nor how he stands in the pocket, needs to clean up his footwork as well) but the talent is there. He'll make some throws that will leave your jaw on the floor (across his body, but accurate and with zip) and other 'simple' throws that he will flat-out miss (read: mechanics).
I'm sure he'll move up the boards as the season progresses (of course, assuming his shoulder is healthy) but I'd gladly spend a 2nd or 3rd on the kid if he finishes out this season as I am expecting. He's not Russell Wilson, he's not Johnny Manziel, he's somewhere in the middle with a better arm than either.
Keep an eye on this kid... just turned 21 and is currently a Junior.
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He's only ever had to learn offensive systems. I doubt anyone in HS or college ever cared that he looked bad as long as he could sling the rock. He wasn't ever under a QB guru who emphasized footwork in the west coast style.Funkster wrote:Most likely Mahomes has played football all his life. He's had access to trainers, coaches and special position coaches. Do you think a month is really going to "change" his mechanics? You could see a tweak here or there for the underwear Olympic but as soon as the helmet and pads go on, those tweaks will go out the window. This kid can really spin the ball has good size and wants to throw from the pocket first and foremost but also has the ablitly to use his legs.
It's very surprising in his 2 years as the starter, with his sloppy lazy mechanics, he only threw 25 interceptions(41 TD's) in 1,164 attempts. Not to mention his 741 rushing yards and 22 rushing TD's. This kid once accounted for 819 yards in a single game. I'm definitely going to pay more attention to Mr. Patrick Mahomes II.
I've taken guys off the street and coached them to play QB. I'm sure a real football coach can teach a guy who's played in a high level structure can teach the kid to take a snap, drop back 3-5-7 yards and throw the ball as the WR makes his cut. His throwing mechanics will never be perfect, but the footwork is what NFL coaches will want to see synced with the WR's route tree. It's not like Mahomes looks like Leftwich when he throws...his release is actually pretty decent...but that arm just looks off some times. And yes, that can be dones easily in a month...good thing he's probably already been working on it these last few weeks!
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This write up right here is exactly how I feel about Mahomes
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now what am i supposed to do with this erection?BamaBear09 wrote:This write up right here is exactly how I feel about Mahomes
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i'll probably just go watch some brad kaaya cutups to make it go away. easier than bothering my wife.