QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

mmmc_35 · Sun Feb 12, 2017 8:56 pm

RustyTrombone wrote:
BamaBear09 wrote:This write up right here is exactly how I feel about Mahomes

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now what am i supposed to do with this erection?
i'll probably just go watch some brad kaaya cutups to make it go away. easier than bothering my wife.

Rusty, your posts are great.

BamaBear09 · Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:22 am

Nice podcast about Mahomes and his pre-draft workout/prep

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BamaBear09 · Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:19 pm

Another nice breakdown by two draftniks....

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G08 · Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:30 pm

malk · Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:24 am

What is the defensive back doing on the second throw?!

Boris13c · Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:30 am

malk wrote:What is the defensive back doing on the second throw?!

looks like he is running along and getting beat

G08 · Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:30 am

malk wrote:What is the defensive back doing on the second throw?!

Probably not thinking he was going to rip it 55+ yards after running around, Favre did that to us once upon a time back in the 90s.

Boris13c · Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:33 am

G08 wrote:
malk wrote:What is the defensive back doing on the second throw?!
Probably not thinking he was going to rip it 55+ yards after running around, Favre did that to us once upon a time back in the 90s.

Burnt Fart did that to the Bears more than once ... the most egregious one I can recall was a Monday Night game where he was running around in his own endzone before playing bomber pilot on a 90+ yard TD pass (about 50 yards of that in the air)

G08 · Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:37 am

Boris13c wrote:
G08 wrote:
malk wrote:What is the defensive back doing on the second throw?!
Probably not thinking he was going to rip it 55+ yards after running around, Favre did that to us once upon a time back in the 90s.

Burnt Fart did that to the Bears more than once ... the most egregious one I can recall was a Monday Night game where he was running around in his own endzone before playing bomber pilot on a 90+ yard TD pass (about 50 yards of that in the air)

That'st the one that immediately came to mind. Our corner was like "I didn't think he could throw it that far". I want to say it was Jeremy Lincoln.

Boris13c · Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:41 am

G08 wrote:
Boris13c wrote:
G08 wrote:
malk wrote:What is the defensive back doing on the second throw?!
Probably not thinking he was going to rip it 55+ yards after running around, Favre did that to us once upon a time back in the 90s.

Burnt Fart did that to the Bears more than once ... the most egregious one I can recall was a Monday Night game where he was running around in his own endzone before playing bomber pilot on a 90+ yard TD pass (about 50 yards of that in the air)
That'st the one that immediately came to mind. Our corner was like "I didn't think he could throw it that far". I want to say it was Jeremy Lincoln.

Donnell Woolford was the victim

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3rd and 10 and the Bears give up a 99 yard TD .... that's some vintage suck right there

G08 · Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:55 am

I was thinking of a different one... he went up the left sideline and I recall they were moving left to right.

Boris13c · Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:12 pm

G08 wrote:I was thinking of a different one... he went up the left sideline and I recall they were moving left to right.

that's the unfortunate history, that there are so many of these types of plays he made against the Bears we could come up with multiple examples

Adipost · Fri Feb 17, 2017 4:48 pm

Not to rain on the parade of all of these HOF predictione, but here is the list of QB's coming out of the air raid offense:

Tim Couch
Brandon Weeden
Johnny Manziel
Kevin Kolb
Geno Smith
John Beck
Nick Foles
Josh Heupel
Kliff Kingsbury
B.J. Symons
Case Keenum
Dominique Davis
Graham Harrell
Jared Lorenzen
Jason White
Max Hall
Nate Hybl
Sonny Cumbie
Taylor Potts

mmmc_35 · Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:05 pm

Forgot

Aaron Rodgers
Drew Brees
Russell Wilson (NC State)
Philip Rivers
Big Ben

Other Spread Systems

Marcus Marriota
Alex Smith
Can Newton

Adipost · Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:32 pm

mmmc_35 wrote:Forgot

Aaron Rodgers
Drew Brees
Russell Wilson (NC State)
Philip Rivers
Big Ben

Other Spread Systems

Marcus Marriota
Alex Smith
Can Newton

I mean the specific Texas Tech air raid.

mmmc_35 · Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:40 pm

So specifically Kliff and Lynch players. Because your list isn't compiled of only Tech guys.

Adipost · Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:56 pm

mmmc_35 wrote:So specifically Kliff and Lynch players. Because your list isn't compiled of only Tech guys.

Pure air raid QB's

BamaBear09 · Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:34 pm

Adipost wrote:Not to rain on the parade of all of these HOF predictione, but here is the list of QB's coming out of the air raid offense:

Tim Couch
Brandon Weeden
Johnny Manziel
Kevin Kolb
Geno Smith
John Beck
Nick Foles
Josh Heupel
Kliff Kingsbury
B.J. Symons
Case Keenum
Dominique Davis
Graham Harrell
Jared Lorenzen
Jason White
Max Hall
Nate Hybl
Sonny Cumbie
Taylor Potts

Zzzzzzzzzzzzz should I break out the list of QBs that failed from pro style systems? I'm sure my list would be longer... hey I could also put out a list of QBs who failed that were 6'4" or maybe I could put out a list of QBs with five letter last names that have failed in the NFL since we're making lists of failed QBs that don't matter because those guys aren't Mahomes... point to the one on the list that had Mahomes's arm talent...

mmmc_35 · Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:40 pm

1st round QBs have an under 50% success rate. Technically picking a QB in the first is a losing proposition.

Rusty Trombagent · Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:17 pm

or, how about this list:

jimmy clausen
brady quinn
rick mirer

Adipost · Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:53 pm

BamaBear09 wrote:
Adipost wrote:Not to rain on the parade of all of these HOF predictione, but here is the list of QB's coming out of the air raid offense:

Tim Couch
Brandon Weeden
Johnny Manziel
Kevin Kolb
Geno Smith
John Beck
Nick Foles
Josh Heupel
Kliff Kingsbury
B.J. Symons
Case Keenum
Dominique Davis
Graham Harrell
Jared Lorenzen
Jason White
Max Hall
Nate Hybl
Sonny Cumbie
Taylor Potts
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz should I break out the list of QBs that failed from pro style systems? I'm sure my list would be longer... hey I could also put out a list of QBs who failed that were 6'4" or maybe I could put out a list of QBs with five letter last names that have failed in the NFL since we're making lists of failed QBs that don't matter because those guys aren't Mahomes... point to the one on the list that had Mahomes's arm talent...

Has every pro style system QB failed in the NFL? Have all 6'4" QBs failed in the NFL??

mmmc_35 · Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:23 pm

Quick look at first round picks spread vs not, bust vs not. I don't know if there is a direct correlation.

Google doc of below info

Jameis Winston
Marcus Mariota Spread
Blake Bortles ?
Johnny Manziel Spread Bust
Teddy Bridgewater Spread
EJ Manuel Bust
Andrew Luck
Robert Griffin III Spread ?
Ryan Tannehill Spread ?
Brandon Weeden Bust
Cam Newton Spread
Jake Locker Bust
Blaine Gabbert Spread Bust
Christian Ponder Bust
Sam Bradford
Tim Tebow Spread Bust
Matthew Stafford
Mark Sanchez Bust
Josh Freeman Bust
Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco
JaMarcus Russell Bust
Brady Quinn Spread Bust
Vince Young Bust
Matt Leinart Bust
Jay Cutler
Alex Smith Spread
Aaron Rodgers Spread
Jason Campbell Bust
Eli Manning
Philip Rivers Spread
Ben Roethlisberger Spread
J.P. Losman Bust
Carson Palmer
Byron Leftwich Bust
Kyle Boller Spread Bust
Rex Grossman Bust
David Carr
Joey Harrington Spread Bust
Patrick Ramsey Bust
Michael Vick
Chad Pennington

BamaBear09 · Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:27 pm

Adipost wrote:
BamaBear09 wrote:
Adipost wrote:Not to rain on the parade of all of these HOF predictione, but here is the list of QB's coming out of the air raid offense:

Tim Couch
Brandon Weeden
Johnny Manziel
Kevin Kolb
Geno Smith
John Beck
Nick Foles
Josh Heupel
Kliff Kingsbury
B.J. Symons
Case Keenum
Dominique Davis
Graham Harrell
Jared Lorenzen
Jason White
Max Hall
Nate Hybl
Sonny Cumbie
Taylor Potts
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz should I break out the list of QBs that failed from pro style systems? I'm sure my list would be longer... hey I could also put out a list of QBs who failed that were 6'4" or maybe I could put out a list of QBs with five letter last names that have failed in the NFL since we're making lists of failed QBs that don't matter because those guys aren't Mahomes... point to the one on the list that had Mahomes's arm talent...
Has every pro style system QB failed in the NFL? Have all 6'4" QBs failed in the NFL??

Again, point to the guy on the list who has the same arm talent as Mahomes. Normally guys who have played in the system needed the system to make them better Mahomes could have played in any system, and had he started football before his junior year in high school, he would have gotten more than 3 scholarship offers. You need to dig in a bit more and watch the little things Mahomes does, he understands the QB position beyond someone who's been playing It for only 5 years.

crueltyabc · Sat Feb 18, 2017 4:26 pm

RustyTrombone wrote:or, how about this list:

jimmy clausen
brady quinn
rick mirer

I would like to shake your hand sir.

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Adipost · Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:54 pm

Mahomes is going to have to change his ENTIRE playing style to have any chance in the NFL. I guess you could hope that he somehow transforms into a totally different qb, but that's not something NFL teams can count on.

bearsfaninaz · Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:06 am

Adipost wrote:Mahomes is going to have to change his ENTIRE playing style to have any chance in the NFL. I guess you could hope that he somehow transforms into a totally different qb, but that's not something NFL teams can count on.

Why does he have to change his entire playing style? He makes quick reads. Mechanics need to be tuned yes, but what else does he need to do? Go under center more? That's easily learned

BamaBear09 · Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:09 am

Adipost wrote:Mahomes is going to have to change his ENTIRE playing style to have any chance in the NFL. I guess you could hope that he somehow transforms into a totally different qb, but that's not something NFL teams can count on.

Why is he going to have to change? Please, break this down and explain why and where he actually needs to change to become an NFL QB. Give real examples and not just some vague, "cause air raid" reason. Guys who have to change completely don't get drafted into the NFL and they surely don't get projected to go in the early rounds... so please tell us with examples why he has to become a TOTALLY different QB to play in the NFL.

Adipost · Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:17 am

BamaBear09 wrote:
Adipost wrote:Mahomes is going to have to change his ENTIRE playing style to have any chance in the NFL. I guess you could hope that he somehow transforms into a totally different qb, but that's not something NFL teams can count on.
Why is he going to have to change? Please, break this down and explain why and where he actually needs to change to become an NFL QB. Give real examples and not just some vague, "cause air raid" reason. Guys who have to change completely don't get drafted into the NFL and they surely don't get projected to go in the early rounds... so please tell us with examples why he has to become a TOTALLY different QB to play in the NFL.

The only reason he is draftable is because his arm talent will intrigue a team into drafting him. Everything else is a train wreck.

mmmc_35 · Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:02 am

Adi with little watching and hell even searching its easy to list his flaws that need fixing. Some are fixable, others can be learned. Of those some might not be. To not list them or others seems like a copout.

Simple example.

He doesn't keep weight on his plant foot. Leaving him to throw off his. This causes accuracy issues. Its been shown not to always get better see Cutler.

Adipost · Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:10 am

mmmc_35 wrote:Adi with little watching and hell even searching its easy to list his flaws that need fixing. Some are fixable, others can be learned. Of those some might not be. To not list them or others seems like a copout.

Simple example.

He doesn't keep weight on his plant foot. Leaving him to throw off his. This causes accuracy issues. Its been shown not to always get better see Cutler.

Im not referring to his mechanical issues. I'm talking about his play style.