QB Prospect Discussion: Deshone Kizer, Notre Dame

[UOK]

He threads the needle in a goal line situation, throwing into bad double coverage. In the NFL that's an end zone pick.

[wab]

I don't give a flying fuck about how he interviews or how media savvy and/or charming he is. I don't like how he looks on the field, and just because he'd make a good analyst in retirement doesn't mean he'll be worth a shit as a QB.

Give me a football smart, articulate kid with solid physical traits and I'll find a way to get his machines cleaned up. You can always improve that if the kid is willing to put in the work.

His tape and right now, I hate him. But these dudes aren't finished products.

YOU ARE ALREADY DOING IT!

[Boris13c]

I don't give a flying fuck about how he interviews or how media savvy and/or charming he is. I don't like how he looks on the field, and just because he'd make a good analyst in retirement doesn't mean he'll be worth a shit as a QB.

and I think it is highly possible he DOES become the next Brady Quinn ... Notre Dame QB drafted with all the hopes and dreams, showed in a short period of time he could not handle the NFL game, and became a studio talking head "expert"

Kizer has a template to follow

[Adipost]

Showing that GIF over and over doesn't really do much man.

[Adipost]

He threads the needle in a goal line situation, throwing into bad double coverage. In the NFL that's an end zone pick.

Kizer is deadly accurate in the red zone. That's not a pick, he rifled it in there.

[wab]

Adipost's dream draft:
1 - Kizer
2 - Conley
3 - Mixon
4 - Brantley
4 - Rae Carruth

[G08]

Adipost's dream draft:
1 - Kizer
2 - Conley
3 - Mixon
4 - Brantley
4 - Rae Carruth

-1 for not drafting OJ Simpson

[Adipost]

Adipost's dream draft:
1 - Kizer
2 - Conley
3 - Mixon
4 - Brantley
4 - Rae Carruth

Yes, I've liked Conley for a while. He was in my Messiah Mock Off-season a while back.

www.bearsfansonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=10919

[UOK]

@danwiederer
10) I see little chance Bears would take DeShone Kizer, even at No. 36. Some raise big questions about how he'll invest in the process.

[Boris13c]

Kizer needs to go to a team with an established successful vet to sit behind and learn from ... I think the Cardinals are a good fit for him ... Arians will straighten out his mental focus

[wab]

I think Andy Reid is the best option for Kizer.

[G08]

I think Andy Reid is the best option for Kizer.

And Watson, honestly.

[mmmc_35]

Good QB coach is probably good for every young QB.

I would argue Arians would be better for a Kizer, and Mahomes, then Reid. Reid would do better with Webb, and Watson.

Realistically Hue Jackson is a good fit for Trubisky. He has worked with a lot of bad QBs and had some success. He fits that style and Hue has shown designed movement in his style.

[malk]

And for Fox?

I'll get my coat.

[thunderspirit]

And for Fox?

I'll get my coat.

CJ Beathard, probably.

[Bears Whiskey Nut]

Love that Kizer brought his little sister on to the carpet. I don't want the Bears to pick him, but I wish him the best.

[wab]

The only thing that would top this draft is if the Bears took Kizer at 36.

[BamaBear09]

The only thing that would top this draft is if the Bears took Kizer at 36.

Well maybe they can trade up from 36 to 35 and give up the rest of their picks and then draft Kizer... you know, do it right...

[UOK]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-i ... -for-a-qb/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I spoke to execs from several teams that drafted a quarterback in this process and heard the same thing time and again as to why Kizer, the projected first-overall pick back in September when the season began, fell out of the first round entirely. The more time some teams spent with him and the more work they did on him, it gave them pause.

"The quarterback has to be clean, especially when you are taking him that high," one exec said. "He can't be a pain in the ass. It isn't just what [Notre Dame coach Brian] Kelly said about him. That's not really it. It's that he wasn't really a team leader.

"When you brought in kids from that school and you asked them about Kizer, no one ever really got excited. It wasn't like, 'He's the man! That's my guy! You ask Clemson kids about (Deshaun) Watson, and it's like, 'That's our dog! He is our leader. We'd do anything for that guy.' You talk to kids from UNC about Trubisky and it was the same thing. But with Kizer it was like, 'He's a cool guy.' That's going to be a challenging situation for him, going to Cleveland, having to be the savior."

[Adipost]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-i ... -for-a-qb/

I spoke to execs from several teams that drafted a quarterback in this process and heard the same thing time and again as to why Kizer, the projected first-overall pick back in September when the season began, fell out of the first round entirely. The more time some teams spent with him and the more work they did on him, it gave them pause.

"The quarterback has to be clean, especially when you are taking him that high," one exec said. "He can't be a pain in the ass. It isn't just what [Notre Dame coach Brian] Kelly said about him. That's not really it. It's that he wasn't really a team leader.

"When you brought in kids from that school and you asked them about Kizer, no one ever really got excited. It wasn't like, 'He's the man! That's my guy! You ask Clemson kids about (Deshaun) Watson, and it's like, 'That's our dog! He is our leader. We'd do anything for that guy.' You talk to kids from UNC about Trubisky and it was the same thing. But with Kizer it was like, 'He's a cool guy.' That's going to be a challenging situation for him, going to Cleveland, having to be the savior."

Leading up to the 2005 NFL Draft, the San Francisco 49ers gave an edge to eventual No. 1 pick Alex Smith thanks to his humble nature and a litany of perceived flaws in Aaron Rodgers -- cockiness, arrogance and a goofy throwing motion among them.

"The other thing as Alex at the time was a good kid -- a very good person, a safe choice, always trying to please," former 49ers coach Mike Nolan said Tuesday morning on NFL HQ. "On the other hand, Aaron was very cocky, very confident, arrogant. So you can say, 'Why didn't you take him to begin with?' Because that's really what your best quarterbacks look like. They aren't very pleasing. They aren't very safe."

[UOK]

Because that's really what your best quarterbacks look like. They aren't very pleasing. They aren't very safe."

[Middleguard]

Because that's really what your best quarterbacks look like. They aren't very pleasing. They aren't very safe."

Do you consider your illustration to be in support or rejection of Adi's post?

[UOK]

Because that's really what your best quarterbacks look like. They aren't very pleasing. They aren't very safe."

Do you consider your illustration to be in support or rejection of Adi's post?

Yes.

[Middleguard]

What I thought.

[Adipost]

Anybody watch Kizer?

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[Adipost]

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[bearsfaninaz]

Both those plays he did nothing but stare at the receiver the whole time. Nice throws though

[Moriarty]

I'll raise you:

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[Adipost]

Kizer named starter...

cle.247sports.com/Bolt/Browns-announce-DeShone-Kizer-to-start-106421133

[Rusty Trombagent]

I really thought Hue liked Cody Kessler more. He's not even getting a real chance.