Bears will pick 3rd in 2017 NFL Draft

[Moriarty]

Just out of interest, does anyone else think that Mason Rudolf would have been the 1st QB taken if he'd declared?

No, not at all.

Before he chose to stay, he was R2-3 and falling.
Biggs was reporting teams not high on him.

[G08]

Just out of interest, does anyone else think that Mason Rudolf would have been the 1st QB taken if he'd declared?

'taken' meaning clubbed over the head and dragged by wab into his bedroom?

Absolutely

[wab]

Just out of interest, does anyone else think that Mason Rudolf would have been the 1st QB taken if he'd declared?

'taken' meaning clubbed over the head and dragged by wab into his bedroom?

Absolutely

I would prefer he consent. But...

[UOK]

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ESPN’s Super Bowl-winning coach and Monday Night Football analyst discusses each of the quarterbacks who will be part of his eighth Gruden’s QB Camp:

On Dobbs: “Dobbs is a dual threat. He’s from a no-huddle offense. He can really create plays with his legs. He played some of his best football when the team was behind and when the game was on the line. He brought the Volunteers back to win from double-digit deficits more than any guy in the country. He’s a great kid, very intelligent, and I think he caught peoples’ attention at the Senior Bowl.”

On Kaaya: “Kaaya is interesting. The Hurricanes combine the I-formation with the college spread system, and he’s an accurate passer. He got hit a lot this year, but when he has protection, he can throw the football. He relies on timing and he’s going to be a pocket-passer for someone who really wants to accentuate that.”

On Kizer: “Kizer is an underclassman like a lot of these guys. He has perhaps the biggest arm in this draft. He can really throw the football. Notre Dame had a difficult season and I am a little bit surprised that Kizer is coming out, but he can do some damage with his arm and he has some athleticism.”

On Mahomes: “Another underclassman, Mahomes is the guy who has really popped off the film for me. He’s very athletic – a baseball player. They throw it every single play at Texas Tech. He can get rid of the ball from awkward positions with a lot on it. He’s a gunslinger.”

On Peterman: “Peterman is a transfer from Tennessee. Coach (Pat) Narduzzi at Pitt recruited Kirk Cousins to Michigan State and I heard he compares Peterman to Cousins. He’s a pocket-passer. They run a very creative offense at Pitt and this is the one guy who beat Clemson – and they did it on the road. He’s one of the most improved quarterbacks in the country this year.”

On Trubisky: “Trubisky is a lot more athletic than people think. He can run for first downs and touchdowns. If you look at him on tape, he displays some real courage. He’s stay in the pocket under intense fire and throws strikes. I just wish I had more film of him. He’s had just one year of work, but I am impressed with him.”

On Watson: “Watson has the best resume of anyone. He has an unbelievable amount of production and an impressive record – 32 wins in three years as a starter. He shredded some of the best teams in the country. He’s a dual threat with loads of intangibles. I am really looking forward to working with him to see how he spins it.”

On the overall 2017 QB Camp class: “There’s some unknowns this year, but this class starts with Deshaun Watson. His body of work is as impressive as any quarterback we’ve had come through QB Camp. I got the chance to see him live and I think he has a ton of ability. There are some underclassmen coming out who have questions that need to be answered. That’s why this process is exciting. But three or four years from now, I expect people will be saying this is a pretty good quarterback class.”

[G08]

I love watching Gruden's QB Camps... absolutely love it.

[Boris13c]

On the overall 2017 QB Camp class: “There’s some unknowns this year, but this class starts with Deshaun Watson. His body of work is as impressive as any quarterback we’ve had come through QB Camp. I got the chance to see him live and I think he has a ton of ability. There are some underclassmen coming out who have questions that need to be answered. That’s why this process is exciting. But three or four years from now, I expect people will be saying this is a pretty good quarterback class.”

and it won't surprise me a bit if that last bit holds true

all of these guys have some legitimate talent, but there are a lot of questions ... and you never know who will be able to progress and who ends up playing themselves out of football ... this class more than any I can recall in the past seems to be underwhelming everyone ... but I think all can answer the bell eventually

so I'm on board with Gruden's scenario ... I say in 3-4 years, all 7 of these guys will be starting for someone in the NFL and being fully competent with their responsibilities

[Atkins&Rebel]

On the overall 2017 QB Camp class: “There’s some unknowns this year, but this class starts with Deshaun Watson. His body of work is as impressive as any quarterback we’ve had come through QB Camp. I got the chance to see him live and I think he has a ton of ability. There are some underclassmen coming out who have questions that need to be answered. That’s why this process is exciting. But three or four years from now, I expect people will be saying this is a pretty good quarterback class.”

and it won't surprise me a bit if that last bit holds true

all of these guys have some legitimate talent, but there are a lot of questions ... and you never know who will be able to progress and who ends up playing themselves out of football ... this class more than any I can recall in the past seems to be underwhelming everyone ... but I think all can answer the bell eventually

so I'm on board with Gruden's scenario ... I say in 3-4 years, all 7 of these guys will be starting for someone in the NFL and being fully competent with their responsibilities

The NFL better hope so at least...within 3-4 years, Cutler, Brady, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Palmer, Manning, Brees, and possible Rodgers will all be out of the league. And a few of the go to back ups will be out as well like McCown, Fitzmagic etc. If this and the next class doesn't pan out, offense league wide is going to experience a down turn and the running game will become more prevalent.

[Moriarty]

On the overall 2017 QB Camp class: “There’s some unknowns this year, but this class starts with Deshaun Watson. His body of work is as impressive as any quarterback we’ve had come through QB Camp. I got the chance to see him live and I think he has a ton of ability. There are some underclassmen coming out who have questions that need to be answered. That’s why this process is exciting. But three or four years from now, I expect people will be saying this is a pretty good quarterback class.”

and it won't surprise me a bit if that last bit holds true

all of these guys have some legitimate talent, but there are a lot of questions ... and you never know who will be able to progress and who ends up playing themselves out of football ... this class more than any I can recall in the past seems to be underwhelming everyone ... but I think all can answer the bell eventually

so I'm on board with Gruden's scenario ... I say in 3-4 years, all 7 of these guys will be starting for someone in the NFL and being fully competent with their responsibilities

Well...it's possible.

But you also have to keep in mind that Gruden isn't saying this as an unbiased expert analyst.
He's saying it as the pimp who's getting good money from these guys and needs to sell them all as part of what they pay him for.

[Boris13c]

On the overall 2017 QB Camp class: “There’s some unknowns this year, but this class starts with Deshaun Watson. His body of work is as impressive as any quarterback we’ve had come through QB Camp. I got the chance to see him live and I think he has a ton of ability. There are some underclassmen coming out who have questions that need to be answered. That’s why this process is exciting. But three or four years from now, I expect people will be saying this is a pretty good quarterback class.”

and it won't surprise me a bit if that last bit holds true

all of these guys have some legitimate talent, but there are a lot of questions ... and you never know who will be able to progress and who ends up playing themselves out of football ... this class more than any I can recall in the past seems to be underwhelming everyone ... but I think all can answer the bell eventually

so I'm on board with Gruden's scenario ... I say in 3-4 years, all 7 of these guys will be starting for someone in the NFL and being fully competent with their responsibilities

Well...it's possible.

But you also have to keep in mind that Gruden isn't saying this as an unbiased expert analyst.
He's saying it as the pimp who's getting good money from these guys and needs to sell them all as part of what they pay him for.

even as a paid pimp, Gruden generally has a better clue than most all of the other talking heads

I hate Gruden as a game announcer, but I respect his player eval abilities

[UOK]

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Mike Williams won't run the 40.

[G08]

UOK you are in rare twitter form today

[UOK]

UOK you are in rare twitter form today

Lot of buffoon Irish fans who are happily throwing Kelly & all the ND receivers under the bus, because it's obviously not Kizer's fault they couldn't catch a ball underthrown by 3 yards.

[Adipost]

UOK you are in rare twitter form today

Lot of buffoon Irish fans who are happily throwing Kelly & all the ND receivers under the bus, because it's obviously not Kizer's fault they couldn't catch a ball underthrown by 3 yards.

I can always count on you to throw a shot at Kizer

[UOK]

UOK you are in rare twitter form today

Lot of buffoon Irish fans who are happily throwing Kelly & all the ND receivers under the bus, because it's obviously not Kizer's fault they couldn't catch a ball underthrown by 3 yards.

I can always count on you to throw a shot at Kizer

Well, fuck Kizer. I'm taking on all these gold helmet wearing idiots who would rather lose with an Irish at QB than win with someone else.

[wab]

UOK you are in rare twitter form today

Lot of buffoon Irish fans who are happily throwing Kelly & all the ND receivers under the bus, because it's obviously not Kizer's fault they couldn't catch a ball underthrown by 3 yards.

I can always count on you to throw a shot at Kizer

Well, fuck Kizer. I'm taking on all these gold helmet wearing idiots who would rather lose with an Irish at QB than win with someone else.

Present company excluded of course.

[UOK]

UOK you are in rare twitter form today

Lot of buffoon Irish fans who are happily throwing Kelly & all the ND receivers under the bus, because it's obviously not Kizer's fault they couldn't catch a ball underthrown by 3 yards.

I can always count on you to throw a shot at Kizer

Well, fuck Kizer. I'm taking on all these gold helmet wearing idiots who would rather lose with an Irish at QB than win with someone else.

Present company excluded of course.

You're my guy. You like ND and hate Kizer.

[BamaBear09]

UOK you are in rare twitter form today

Lot of buffoon Irish fans who are happily throwing Kelly & all the ND receivers under the bus, because it's obviously not Kizer's fault they couldn't catch a ball underthrown by 3 yards.

Well he definitely kept that streak alive at the combine as ALL his deep throws caused the WR to slow up to catch them...

[bearsfaninaz]

UOK you are in rare twitter form today

Lot of buffoon Irish fans who are happily throwing Kelly & all the ND receivers under the bus, because it's obviously not Kizer's fault they couldn't catch a ball underthrown by 3 yards.

Well he definitely kept that streak alive at the combine as ALL his deep throws caused the WR to slow up to catch them...

Yeah I noticed that too in the highlight reel. Thought Kizer had a cannon arm?

[G08]

Kizer has a cannon for sure, accuracy is his bugaboo.

[wab]

If I see one more mock draft with the Bears taking Allen even AFTER his injury concerns were verified.

[BamaBear09]

Kizer has a cannon for sure, accuracy is his bugaboo.

Processing and timing were off bad... add on top his placement, he is going to need a lot of work to succeed at the next level. If he ends up in Zona, I think he could thrive but if he ends up in a WCO system, he won't be around very long.

[UOK]

@ArifHasanNFL
9s
Below 55 is supposed to be #bad so that's pretty interesting re: Watson
Dane Brugler @dpbrugler
Ball velocity numbers (MPH) from the Combine:

60 - Mahomes
59 - Webb
56 - Kizer
55 - Trubisky, Evans
53 - Peterman, Kaaya
49 - Watson

[malk]

Is that a set test into a speed gun or measurements based on general throws they made?

[G08]

He wasn't rifling balls, though. When Watson is focused upon accuracy, his velocity tends to go down. He can rip it when he wants, I've seen it.

Glennon had a 49 at the combine as well, and that dude has a rifle.

[UOK]

W/ the trade they just made, the Saints now have the 11th and 32nd overall pick in the draft. I think Bears would happily do 3 for 11+32 (along with some other pieces) to move back. I have no idea who the Saints would covet enough to move that high, however.

[wab]

W/ the trade they just made, the Saints now have the 11th and 32nd overall pick in the draft. I think Bears would happily do 3 for 11+32 (along with some other pieces) to move back. I have no idea who the Saints would covet enough to move that high, however.

The problem is that after Garrett, most players are ranked similarly from 3 to 33.

[UOK]

W/ the trade they just made, the Saints now have the 11th and 32nd overall pick in the draft. I think Bears would happily do 3 for 11+32 (along with some other pieces) to move back. I have no idea who the Saints would covet enough to move that high, however.

The problem is that after Garrett, most players are ranked similarly from 3 to 33.

Basically this. It's like the worst possible year to have a shitty record and naturally the Bears have that kind of luck.

[wab]

W/ the trade they just made, the Saints now have the 11th and 32nd overall pick in the draft. I think Bears would happily do 3 for 11+32 (along with some other pieces) to move back. I have no idea who the Saints would covet enough to move that high, however.

The problem is that after Garrett, most players are ranked similarly from 3 to 33.

Basically this. It's like the worst possible year to have a shitty record and naturally the Bears have that kind of luck.

That's why I worry about taking someone like Thomas. In any other year, he's probably going to go somewhere between 10-20.

I know people compare him to JJ Watt, but I just don't see it.

[G08]

I see more of an Aaron Donald in Solomon Thomas than I see Watt... JJ is a freaking monster.

[USSGlennon]

I don't think Foxy is gonna reach for a QB using the #3 pick in this draft. And these guys are all reaches this early. He's way smarter than that...