QB Prospect Discussion: Deshaun Watson, Clemson

Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:46 pm

G08 wrote:
wab wrote:I don't get the Tebow comp at all. Tebow looked like he was throwing from a rocking chair.
I don't get it either, honestly.

"leader" "winner" "I don't know how to evaluate players so I just follow buzz words"

That's my guess

If Tebow would have been fine with switching to TE, like they suggested at the combine, he may have gone in the 4th round but he'd probably still be in the NFL catching TDs.

BamaBear09 · Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:26 pm

wab wrote:
G08 wrote:
wab wrote:I don't get the Tebow comp at all. Tebow looked like he was throwing from a rocking chair.
I don't get it either, honestly.

"leader" "winner" "I don't know how to evaluate players so I just follow buzz words"

That's my guess
If Tebow would have been fine with switching to TE, like they suggested at the combine, he may have gone in the 4th round but he'd probably still be in the NFL catching TDs.

Where did the Tebow comparison even start? I may not be the biggest fan of Watson, but he does have an NFL throwing motion, something Tebow never had and there was no way that was going to change. Tebow threw like Byron Leftwich threw, almost like a clock cycling a day.

Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:34 pm

Byron Leftwich's release was immediate compared to Tebow.

BamaBear09 · Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:44 pm

wab wrote:Byron Leftwich's release was immediate compared to Tebow.

His release was immediate but the motion normally started at about 4 on the dial

Rusty Trombagent · Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:51 pm

the only lazy comparisons to tebow i've seen dont have anything to do with throwing motion? they're more about the whole "he's a winner, he elevates those around him" mythology surrounding tebow.

DaSuperfan · Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:00 am

Hey guys - so I wasn't there today but my buddy went down to the field and was able to see Watson do a workout with Jordan Palmer and Norv Turner. Wish I was there today to see him in action but I couldn't. I do have a couple of very short videos to share, check below.

Also, my friend mentioned that he thought Watson seemed to have an aura about him and more of a presence to him than Trubisky. Said he was very calm, cool and collected. Good throwing mechanics and good drops. He liked Watson a little more than Trubisky today because he seemed like he would know how to handle pressure and was very attentive to what the coaches were telling him. You could see him practicing all the details and fine tuning what they told him.

It was just one workout and Watson's workout was definitely different than Trubisky's so it's not a true comparison - we're talking about one workout in shorts with no pads on and no 260 pound OLB breathing down his neck.

Oh and he also said that Watson seemed like he was legit 6'3. He was standing next to Palmer who is 6'5 and wasn't that much shorter than him. That's all I got fellas - I know it's not that much and it's probably nothing you already didn't know - but nonetheless, it was a great opportunity that most of us don't get to experience - so I was happy to share it with all of you!

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G08 · Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:33 am

Thanks man! Looks like he's been working on his drops a little bit, looks cleaner.

A legit 6'3" wouldn't surprise me, really all I want his him to be at or above 6022 (hell even Rodgers is 6020)

Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:02 am

Boing.

mmmc_35 · Thu Feb 23, 2017 11:05 am

I know its two 11 second videos. I am not a QB guru. However do his throwing mechanics look a lot different? Some better some not. His arm slot looked different there, and his back foot stayed closer to the earth. There is something about his throwing motion I don't like.

G08 · Thu Feb 23, 2017 11:07 am

mmmc_35 wrote:I know its two 11 second videos. I am not a QB guru. However do his throwing mechanics look a lot different? Some better some not. His arm slot looked different there, and his back foot stayed closer to the earth. There is something about his throwing motion I don't like.

At times it's a bit elongated:

Needs to be cleaned up. I love the way Rodgers/Carr throw the ball. Brady too but... fuck that guy.

Thu Feb 23, 2017 11:19 am

I wish Watson and Trubisky could be fused into one guy. I love Trubisky's arm and release but prefer Watson's poise, physique, and intangibles.

G08 · Thu Feb 23, 2017 11:23 am

UOK wrote:I wish Watson and Trubisky could be fused into one guy. I love Trubisky's arm and release but prefer Watson's poise, physique, and intangibles.

This guy gets it.

This has been my torture... so I've been hanging onto the fact that QBs mechanics often times improve once they enter the NFL (see: Carr, Derek and Rodgers, Erin).

Thu Feb 23, 2017 11:38 am

G08 wrote:
UOK wrote:I wish Watson and Trubisky could be fused into one guy. I love Trubisky's arm and release but prefer Watson's poise, physique, and intangibles.
This guy gets it.

This has been my torture... so I've been hanging onto the fact that QBs mechanics often times improve once they enter the NFL (see: Carr, Derek and Rodgers, Erin).

What's really irritating me is that as much as I like both these guys, I feel like the best in-between of both of them is Mahomes, and he's like a poor fusion of them that still has a lot of upside.

I see Trubisky as Joey Harrington. Guy who needs time to develop but could be good if you successfully build around him, but won't lift your franchise up alone.

I see Watson as Matt Leinart. Decorated career guy who has all the qualities, but could plateau quickly in his career. A guy who could get you to an 8-8 season and make you excited, but then within a couple years you realize that's all he's ever going to be.

Mahomes looks like, and don't take this the wrong way, but he looks like a beggar's combination of Brett Favre, Steve Young, and Doug Flutie. I think his arm is great, he's mobile as hell, and just has that big play knack. It might not translate to the NFL, but the guy's a baller.

I don't know if it's stupid Aggie football bullshit that's gotten him this far like Johnny before him, but the guy has, by all accounts, that kind of talent that if you can harness the careless parts of his game and unleash him as a weapon, you'll go places.

Watson is the safest play with the lowest upside and best immediate return. Trubisky is an investment that could turn into Drew Brees or Blaine Gabbert. Mahomes is the highest upside and the biggest gamble.

mmmc_35 · Thu Feb 23, 2017 11:43 am

UOK wrote:I wish Watson and Trubisky could be fused into one guy. I love Trubisky's arm and release but prefer Watson's poise, physique, and intangibles.

Well we could draft both. Buy the crisper machine. Start gene a gene doping program.

G08 · Thu Feb 23, 2017 11:44 am

I think Watson has the biggest shot to be this year's Dak Prescott if he comes to the right situation. I think he's a legit 6'2 or 6'3" guy and if he's hitting the weights hard he should weigh in around 218 I would think. He's my pick because there is just something to him (I hate the term "he's a winner" but this kid just doesn't fold when the game is on the line), the biggest question mark is can he learn an NFL system, can he learn to stay in the pocket, and can he refine his mechanics to work on getting the ball out even quicker?

I think Trubisky has a lot of Alex Smith/Tony Romo to his game and I think he might need some time in the same system before things really start to click. I see a game manager in him and athletic traits(Smith) with the potential to hit the intermediate-to-deep play from time to time (Romo).

Mahomes is Brett Favre/Johnny Manziel to me... a big armed, almost recklessly confident gun slinger that has the potential to be the best QB in this class. He also has the potential to flame out very quickly if he isn't given time to learn the NFL game.

BamaBear09 · Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:12 pm

UOK wrote:
G08 wrote:
UOK wrote:I wish Watson and Trubisky could be fused into one guy. I love Trubisky's arm and release but prefer Watson's poise, physique, and intangibles.
This guy gets it.

This has been my torture... so I've been hanging onto the fact that QBs mechanics often times improve once they enter the NFL (see: Carr, Derek and Rodgers, Erin).
What's really irritating me is that as much as I like both these guys, I feel like the best in-between of both of them is Mahomes, and he's like a poor fusion of them that still has a lot of upside.

I see Trubisky as Joey Harrington. Guy who needs time to develop but could be good if you successfully build around him, but won't lift your franchise up alone.

I see Watson as Matt Leinart. Decorated career guy who has all the qualities, but could plateau quickly in his career. A guy who could get you to an 8-8 season and make you excited, but then within a couple years you realize that's all he's ever going to be.

Mahomes looks like, and don't take this the wrong way, but he looks like a beggar's combination of Brett Favre, Steve Young, and Doug Flutie. I think his arm is great, he's mobile as hell, and just has that big play knack. It might not translate to the NFL, but the guy's a baller.

I don't know if it's stupid Aggie football bullshit that's gotten him this far like Johnny before him, but the guy has, by all accounts, that kind of talent that if you can harness the careless parts of his game and unleash him as a weapon, you'll go places.

Watson is the safest play with the lowest upside and best immediate return. Trubisky is an investment that could turn into Drew Brees or Blaine Gabbert. Mahomes is the highest upside and the biggest gamble.

Mahomes was a Red Raider, not an Aggie and Mahomes never had anyone like Mike Evans around him. That's why Manziel looked good because he had Mike Evans to just chuck the ball down the field to after running around a bit... you know like Winston did this past season vs Chicago... Mahomes rang up 5k yards and 41 touchdowns with guys that may eek their ways into the backend of the NFL draft... If he had been in a situation like Clemson or even UNC with guys like Switzer/Howard, he might have even looked better. I think Mahomes has a better chance of being Dak than Watson based on supporting casts and results, Dak pretty much carried MSU on his back, Mahomes has done about the same at Tech.

Adipost · Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:12 pm

BamaBear09 wrote:
UOK wrote:
G08 wrote:
UOK wrote:I wish Watson and Trubisky could be fused into one guy. I love Trubisky's arm and release but prefer Watson's poise, physique, and intangibles.
This guy gets it.

This has been my torture... so I've been hanging onto the fact that QBs mechanics often times improve once they enter the NFL (see: Carr, Derek and Rodgers, Erin).
What's really irritating me is that as much as I like both these guys, I feel like the best in-between of both of them is Mahomes, and he's like a poor fusion of them that still has a lot of upside.

I see Trubisky as Joey Harrington. Guy who needs time to develop but could be good if you successfully build around him, but won't lift your franchise up alone.

I see Watson as Matt Leinart. Decorated career guy who has all the qualities, but could plateau quickly in his career. A guy who could get you to an 8-8 season and make you excited, but then within a couple years you realize that's all he's ever going to be.

Mahomes looks like, and don't take this the wrong way, but he looks like a beggar's combination of Brett Favre, Steve Young, and Doug Flutie. I think his arm is great, he's mobile as hell, and just has that big play knack. It might not translate to the NFL, but the guy's a baller.

I don't know if it's stupid Aggie football bullshit that's gotten him this far like Johnny before him, but the guy has, by all accounts, that kind of talent that if you can harness the careless parts of his game and unleash him as a weapon, you'll go places.

Watson is the safest play with the lowest upside and best immediate return. Trubisky is an investment that could turn into Drew Brees or Blaine Gabbert. Mahomes is the highest upside and the biggest gamble.
Mahomes was a Red Raider, not an Aggie and Mahomes never had anyone like Mike Evans around him. That's why Manziel looked good because he had Mike Evans to just chuck the ball down the field to after running around a bit... you know like Winston did this past season vs Chicago... Mahomes rang up 5k yards and 41 touchdowns with guys that may eek their ways into the backend of the NFL draft... If he had been in a situation like Clemson or even UNC with guys like Switzer/Howard, he might have even looked better. I think Mahomes has a better chance of being Dak than Watson based on supporting casts and results, Dak pretty much carried MSU on his back, Mahomes has done about the same at Tech.

Wrong thread. This is my Mahomes-free safe space.

Funkster · Fri Feb 24, 2017 12:37 am

UOK wrote: Watson is the safest play with the lowest upside and best immediate return. Trubisky is an investment that could turn into Drew Brees or Blaine Gabbert. Mahomes is the highest upside and the biggest gamble.

I like the simplicity of this!

What about Kizer?

Funkster · Fri Feb 24, 2017 12:23 pm

According to Bucky Brooks you Watson fans might be getting your wish.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... sf58370619" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

*Kizer = Jameis Winston
Mitch Trubisky = Alex Smith
*Deshaun Watson = Marcus Mariota
David Webb = Sam Bradford
Patrick Mahomes = Jay Cutler

*article has as a Bears fit.

Rusty Trombagent · Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:03 pm

UOK wrote:
Watson is the safest play with the lowest upside and best immediate return. Trubisky is an investment that could turn into Drew Brees or Blaine Gabbert. Mahomes is the highest upside and the biggest gamble.

this feels really spot on to me. I'd be more than happy with Watson, but it feels like he'll be one of those good but not great qb's in the realm of andy dalton or joe flacco. Fans hate those and I dont look forward to listening to people wanting to replace Watson because he's not Tom Brady for the next 10 years.

G08 · Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:50 am

I'm starting to think we're going defense in round 1 and will just see what QB falls.

I hope it's Watson, but I'm not holding my breath.

Rusty Trombagent · Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:59 am

G08 wrote:I'm starting to think we're going defense in round 1 and will just see what QB falls.

I hope it's Watson, but I'm not holding my breath.

its kind of an emotional rollercoaster

G08 · Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:01 pm

RustyTrombone wrote:
G08 wrote:I'm starting to think we're going defense in round 1 and will just see what QB falls.

I hope it's Watson, but I'm not holding my breath.
its kind of an emotional rollercoaster

It's like this every off-season. I'm tinkering with the approach of "I don't care anymore, let's just see what the draft brings" but it takes away from too much fun of looking at players.

Otis Day · Tue Feb 28, 2017 1:44 pm

It is not that I don't care, it is rather, surprise me. Don't follow a lot of college football and don't have time to get into the draft and the trappings of it, so when it comes to the pick, I am usually surprised and then start digging. Plus, the way this team has drafted in the first round over the years, not too exciting.

Funkster · Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:30 pm

I've compared these two before, Watson is RG3 minus the pure passing ability.

Even their measurements are very comparable.
RG3 - 6'2", 223, 9 1/2 hands
Watson - 6'2", 221, 9 6/8 hands

G08 · Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:32 pm

I would argue RG3 is the better athlete with a slightly stronger arm, but he's also a me-first pompous douche.

BamaBear09 · Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:36 pm

G08 wrote:I would argue RG3 is the better athlete with a slightly stronger arm, but he's also a me-first pompous douche.

Definitely heard rumors that he didn't go out of his way to endear himself to his teammates...

G08 · Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:45 pm

BamaBear09 wrote:
G08 wrote:I would argue RG3 is the better athlete with a slightly stronger arm, but he's also a me-first pompous douche.
Definitely heard rumors that he didn't go out of his way to endear himself to his teammates...

His teammates, he always knew where the cameras were, and he had the balls to go up to Mike Shanahan's office and tell him he's not going to run his plays and that they are going to do things his (RG3's) way. That takes a special type of asshole when you look at the rings that Shanahan has.

Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:47 pm

RG3 is a better QB. Watson will be a better pro.

G08 · Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:49 pm

wab wrote:RG3 is a better QB. Watson will be a better pro.

I'm enamored with his intangibles, his toughness, and his leadership.

I worry about his mechanics, his footwork, his ability to stand tall in the pocket and read NFL defenses (because he hasn't put any of that on his college tape).

So... how does Pace and Friends justify to themselves that he can succeed in each of those areas?