Malik McDowell vs. Jonathan Allen

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DaSuperfan wrote:Hopefully the Niners take Allen at 2. I don't want any part of him at 3. I just don't think he's going to be an elite player at the NFL level. He'll be serviceable but not top 3 production. Honestly, I think the DE in a 3-4 scheme is one of the least valuable positions. I wouldn't spend a top 5 pick on one, JMHO.
I agree. But guys like JJ Watt, Malik Jackson, Calais Campbell etc are getting PAID.
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DaSuperfan wrote:Hopefully the Niners take Allen at 2. I don't want any part of him at 3. I just don't think he's going to be an elite player at the NFL level. He'll be serviceable but not top 3 production. Honestly, I think the DE in a 3-4 scheme is one of the least valuable positions. I wouldn't spend a top 5 pick on one, JMHO.
SF is more likely to draft Solomon Thomas.
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Begrudgingly....I think Allen is going to be the pick.
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wab wrote:Begrudgingly....I think Allen is going to be the pick.
Yes, but maybe it's just too obvious a choice to actually happen.
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Maybe all the stars will align and the Browns/Niners will take a QB 1-2. #prayformyles
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wab wrote:Maybe all the stars will align and the Browns/Niners will take a QB 1-2. #prayformyles
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Eh I don't think Allen is the pick. I think its Thomas, Howard, or Latimoure.
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I don't get the lattimore logic. There are plenty of Pace guys in the DB room right now. He would be drafting a guy just to cut another of his own guys who has barely played


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crueltyabc wrote:I don't get the lattimore logic. There are plenty of Pace guys in the DB room right now. He would be drafting a guy just to cut another of his own guys who has barely played


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Well look at that CB group. The first group is whom I think the Bears have the most invested and logically could/should make make the team. Clearly no one has set themselves really apart, and half of their contracts are up in a year. I personally think one draft pick needs to be added.

Amukamara, Prince 1 Year
Callahan, Bryce 1 Year
Fuller, Kyle 1 Year W-option
Porter, Tracy 2 Years
Cooper, Marcus 3 Years
Hall, Deiondre' 3 Years

This second group is mainly cast offs. There is some physically attributes there but the Bears shouldn't plan on any of these guys.

Banks, Johnthan 1 Year
Bausby, De'Vante 1 Year W/RFA option
Glenn, Jacoby 1 Year W/RFA option
Reynolds, Rashaad 1 Year W/RFA option
McManis, Sherrick 1 Year
LeBlanc, Cre'Von 2 Years


Let's face it this, isn't an all-star group.
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The CB/WR situation reminds me of the ILB situation last year. Address it in FA with two vets then take a flyer on a guy later in the draft.

Cooper was a pro bowl alternate...he and Amukamara are your day 1 starters based on contracts alone. Fuller will be traded or cut as the Emery purge continues. Porter might play more FS than corner...assuming he makes the roster. LeBlanc is a hedge against Callahan staying healthy. Hall is your developmental/depth guy. McManis is your special teams ace.

I could see it being:
Amukamara
Cooper
Callahan
LeBlanc
Hall
McManis

Doesn't leave much room for a rookie. UNLESS...they want to take Sidney Jones in the 5th and stash him on IR for the year.
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wab wrote:
Doesn't leave much room for a rookie. UNLESS...they want to take Sidney Jones in the 5th and stash him on IR for the year.
That would be a nice play... that kid has some great upside, if he can recover fully from the injury...
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I know everyone is worried about Allen's health long term but I still like him 2nd best of dlinemen (behind Garrett). If he only plays one contract before his shoulders start to give him trouble, so be it. I'm confident he'll go to at least one pro bowl in those four years and he fills a need.
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I don't know many people with arthritis prior to the age of 40-50, so for him to have it be an issue at 21 is hard for me to comprehend.
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G08 wrote:I don't know many people with arthritis prior to the age of 40-50, so for him to have it be an issue at 21 is hard for me to comprehend.

There are things they can do now for youths whom develop it. I listened to a sports doctor talk about it and forgot the majority of the info. I think cold therapy, turmeric, fats, fixing imbalances for blood flow, etc. Hell Urlacher had it in his hips and it didn't slow him down.
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Hate to repeat myself, but almost all linemen have arthritis or a pre-arthritic condition.

Allen benched at the combine. He's got the most effective hands of any interior lineman in this draft. The only question is whether the stuff they found indicates or allows the strong possibility of a pathology that'll hurt him during his professional career. And I haven't heard anything like that.
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Random question:

If you could draft Justin Smith at #3 and get his SF career production under Vic Fangio, would you do it?
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G08 wrote:Random question:

If you could draft Justin Smith at #3 and get his SF career production under Vic Fangio, would you do it?

Yep.
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well that's an inauspicious start to his career.

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RustyTrubisky wrote:well that's an inauspicious start to his career.

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Wow, very unfortunate.
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Seems that accident may have derailed his career completely...

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Wow. I use to ride a lot. Grew up on them. Always had a helmet. I have seen a bunch of crashes. Been involved in 2 good ones. A career ended or year in recovery seems crazy.
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