Name your top 3

College football and the NFL Draft

Moderator: wab

User avatar
SC Bear
Journeyman
Posts: 246
Joined: Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:22 pm
Location: Greer, SC

Adams
Hooker
Lattimore
User avatar
karhu
Head Coach
Posts: 2050
Joined: Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:20 pm
Has thanked: 296 times
Been thanked: 373 times

Post-FA for the Bears:

1. Garrett
<<Trade down>>
2. Hooker
3. Adams

I'm resigned to seeing what Glennon can do.

Even if your opinion of Solomon Thomas is less qualified than mine, even if you're as sanguine as I am about Jonathan Allen's shoulders, even if like me you believe in planet theory and in basing a defense around its pass rush...neither of those guys looks like a holy-shit-how-do-we-prepare-for-that? player. Hooker and Adams are. I put Hooker first because he fits the bill perfectly as a dedicated FS. Adams doesn't have quite the range or ball skills from what I've seen, but he can also play holy-shit ball in more positions in more alignments than Hooker. Nice tossup.

And finally, we've only got the one FS on our roster, and he's 31. Our options in the draft if we take a DE first run something like Allen/Thomas and Budda Baker/Marcus Williams. If we take Hooker or Allen, we address a bigger need while preserving a lot of flexibility. Taco Charlton might fall. Deatrich Wise is a huge sleeper after playing with a broken hand last season. One of my favorite players in the draft, Larry Ogunjobi, could join Goldman and Hicks in giving us three guys who can play nose or 4-/5-tech; I don't know what kind of a pass-rusher he'll ever be in the league, but put him next to Hicks and Goldman and we're going to get into a lot of predictable passing downs, because no one will run on us. And he's the insurance policy we wished we'd had when Goldman got hurt last year.
So much road and so few places, so much friendliness and so little intimacy, so much flavour and so little taste.

Friendship is better than fighting, but fighting is more useful.
User avatar
thunderspirit
Head Coach
Posts: 3864
Joined: Tue Sep 06, 2016 12:51 pm
Location: Greater Chicagoland, IL
Has thanked: 620 times
Been thanked: 617 times

1) Garrett
2) Allen
3) Watson (mostly because I think his learning curve is less steep than Mahomes).
KFFL refugee.

dplank wrote:I agree with Rich here
RichH55 wrote: Dplank is correct
:shocked:
User avatar
bearsfaninaz
Head Coach
Posts: 2303
Joined: Mon Aug 20, 2012 6:33 pm
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 7 times

1 Garrett
2 Lattimore
3 Mahomes
Mr.Irrelevant
Player of the Month
Posts: 377
Joined: Mon Jan 19, 2015 5:46 pm
Been thanked: 11 times

1. Myles Garrett
2. Jamal Adams
3. Jonathan Allen

I had a lot of trouble choosing between Adams and Allen at #2. Usually I'd go with a big guy, plus safety is a much deeper position this year - but I just have this suspicion that Adams has a chance to be special along the lines of Eric Berry. Someone who will raise the level of the defense with his talent, intelligence and leadership qualities.
Middleguard
MVP
Posts: 1667
Joined: Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:10 pm
Has thanked: 34 times
Been thanked: 120 times

I thought I had submitted my play immediately after Ditka4Prez, but I don't see it here. It still seems that I can be the first one to say I would trade down as my first choice no matter who is still available. Garrett still available would obviously be best because that's the only way I can conceive of a trade out of 3 actually succeeding.

<trade down>
1) Garrett
2) Allen
3) Hooker
User avatar
Rusty Trombagent
Hall of Famer
Posts: 7375
Joined: Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:19 am
Location: Maine!
Has thanked: 567 times
Been thanked: 1001 times

1. garrett-- not going to happen, but i guess i have to put this here.
2. mahomes/watson-- i go back and forth so much they've sort of merged into the same player for me. does that make sense? no not really. but wouldnt it be wild to have a young, highly drafted qb to be excited about his development?
3. hooker-- i get so hard for good FS play, i dont care if this is supposedly 5 picks too soon. hell, if chris conte could stay healthy i'd have his jersey.
Image
User avatar
Mikefive
Hall of Famer
Posts: 5192
Joined: Sat Aug 20, 2016 9:33 pm
Location: Valparaiso, IN, USA
Has thanked: 342 times
Been thanked: 278 times

Mikefive wrote:Normally, I never play this game. Too many players to review and too much tape to watch. My initial swing is as follows...

1. Myles Garrett... Edge... Texas A&M... No explanation needed.
<trade down>
2. Jamal Adams... SS... LSU... A terrific player at a need position. Love his leadership ability.
3. Malik Hooker... FS... Ohio St.... I love speedy centerfielder Ss with ball skills. Not worried about the injury.


I'd really like to trade out of #3 and move back to where Watson, Trubisky or Mahomes is a value pick. Maybe around 10ish. And of course, pick up another high pick. But I recognize that that is exceedingly unlikely.

Adams is a seemingly can't miss pick. But even though he's a box guy and I tend to value that kind of S a bit less, he's off the charts with his leadership, which I value highly.

I put Hooker #3 because I love rangy Ss with hands. Seems like a pretty certain good pick who will play right away. Not afraid of the injury thing with him. Maybe I'm wrong.

When you're drafting at #3, you can't swing an miss with that pick. I'm not sure that anybody is really the kind of player that normally represents value at #3. Safeties generally aren't. But I think they're solid, quality players with little uncertainty--at least for me.

There's a lot to like about Solomon Thomas and if we played a 4-3, I'd probably take him, as I love his skill set in that D and his outstanding character. But in a 3-4, I'd want to put him on the edge at 275#. But that may not be the right role for him as he's never done it. That creates uncertainty for me, which takes me back to the first sentence of the previous paragraph.

Marshon Lattimore was a consideration. A guy like that could really help us in this pass happy division. But his injury history--hamstrings on a CB--scares me enough to go for safer bets.

Jonathan Allen was my #2 pick in my head before I found out about his shoulders. The thing about him is that if he's going to have a short career, there's no guarantee that he'll be able to play if it takes several years to upgrade our talent and become a playoff team. And his career might be on the downside by then. Guys we draft today need to be in that mix.
Mine needs an update...

<trade down>
1. Myles Garrett... Edge... Texas A&M... No explanation needed.
2. Jamal Adams... SS... LSU... A terrific player at a need position. Love his leadership ability. Pro day 40 cements this one for me.
3. Jonathan Allen... DL... Alabama.... Dude is a difference maker. Not as worried about his shoulders.

Reasons for changes...

I moved trade down up above Garrett, simply because now that I've given it more thought, we'd get a king's ransom for him if he were on the board at 3. I'd be happy either way in that scenario.

That Adams ran in the 4.4's at his pro day makes him the most can't miss player in this draft, IMO. The dude can do everything well. Yes, 3 is high for a SS, but I believe this guy is going to be special. We need special.

I am now hearing that the Jonathan Allen shoulder thing isn't as big of a deal as was reported earlier. Sounds like it may be something to look at when he signs his next contract, maybe. A front 3 of Hicks, Goldman and Allen with Floyd coming off the edge could be nasty. I'd like to see that.

Hooker dropped for me as I keep reading how much he needs to develop. I'm just not as confident about a guy who has fantastic tools, but has several flaws in his game (tackling, instinct, angles) that need corrected. So I put him below a guy like Allen who is pro ready now at a more important position. If we were picking at 7, sure. But not at 3.
Mikefive's theory: The only time you KNOW that a sports team player, coach or management member is being 100% honest is when they're NOT reciting "the company line".

Go back to leather helmets, NFL.
EricTighe
MVP
Posts: 1220
Joined: Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:13 pm
Has thanked: 15 times
Been thanked: 63 times

Watson
Mahomes
McCafferty
User avatar
DaSuperfan
Crafty Veteran
Posts: 996
Joined: Sat Sep 03, 2016 2:44 pm
Has thanked: 3 times
Been thanked: 9 times

1. Myles Garrett
<trade down>
2. DeShaun Watson
3. Patrick Mahomes
Never Die Easy
ysleblanc
MVP
Posts: 1949
Joined: Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:07 am

Thomas Hooker Watson
User avatar
staleystarch
Assistant Coach
Posts: 506
Joined: Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:08 pm

I will assume Garrett is gone

1. Malik Hooker - I'm tired of the Bears getting beat deep toward the end of close games.
2. Jonathan Allen
3. Jamal Adams
"We don’t know exactly what we’re doing” -- John Fox
HurricaneBear
Head Coach
Posts: 2233
Joined: Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:56 am
Has thanked: 1982 times
Been thanked: 375 times

Watson
Garrett
Trade down
User avatar
Mikefive
Hall of Famer
Posts: 5192
Joined: Sat Aug 20, 2016 9:33 pm
Location: Valparaiso, IN, USA
Has thanked: 342 times
Been thanked: 278 times

staleystarch wrote:I will assume Garrett is gone

1. Malik Hooker - I'm tired of the Bears getting beat deep toward the end of close games.
2. Jonathan Allen
3. Jamal Adams
No need to assume anybody's gone in this exercise. And even if you do, then you only need to list 2 names. The idea is that you're indicating your GM draft board that indicates what you'll do. Jamal Adams is irrelevant on your list, since you are not looking to trade down and you'd take one of Garrett, Hooker or Allen.

Please don't think I'm picking on you. That's not my intent. Just pointing out the goal of the exercise. :)
Mikefive's theory: The only time you KNOW that a sports team player, coach or management member is being 100% honest is when they're NOT reciting "the company line".

Go back to leather helmets, NFL.
User avatar
Boris13c
Hall of Famer
Posts: 15969
Joined: Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:30 am
Location: The Bear Nebula
Has thanked: 41 times
Been thanked: 113 times

1) Deshaun Watson - I am convinced he will be the best of this QB draft and that the team that takes him will be fortunate and thankful ... I wanted that team to be the Bears, but seriously doubt that has any chance of happening

2) Jamal Adams - I see him as the next Ed Reed and actually being able to dictate the opponents gameplan

3) Solomon Thomas - a faster Richard Dent IMO ... which makes him a high end prospect indeed


ysleblanc wrote:Thomas Hooker Watson

good porn name
"Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things."
George Carlin
User avatar
UOK
Site Admin
Posts: 25166
Joined: Sun Nov 02, 2008 11:07 am
Location: Champaign, IL
Has thanked: 109 times
Been thanked: 936 times

Boris13c wrote:1) Deshaun Watson - I am convinced he will be the best of this QB draft and that the team that takes him will be fortunate and thankful ... I wanted that team to be the Bears, but seriously doubt that has any chance of happening

2) Jamal Adams - I see him as the next Ed Reed and actually being able to dictate the opponents gameplan

3) Solomon Thomas - a faster Richard Dent IMO ... which makes him a high end prospect indeed


ysleblanc wrote:Thomas Hooker Watson

good porn name
I believe he was a Civil War colonel also
Image
User avatar
staleystarch
Assistant Coach
Posts: 506
Joined: Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:08 pm

Mikefive wrote:
staleystarch wrote:I will assume Garrett is gone

1. Malik Hooker - I'm tired of the Bears getting beat deep toward the end of close games.
2. Jonathan Allen
3. Jamal Adams
No need to assume anybody's gone in this exercise. And even if you do, then you only need to list 2 names. The idea is that you're indicating your GM draft board that indicates what you'll do. Jamal Adams is irrelevant on your list, since you are not looking to trade down and you'd take one of Garrett, Hooker or Allen.

Please don't think I'm picking on you. That's not my intent. Just pointing out the goal of the exercise. :)
I don't mind. I wavering on my picks anyway. I am getting cold feet with Allen and the shoulder thing. Since I'm not on the clock yet I'm revising.

1. Myles Garrett
2. Malik Hooker
3. O. J. Howard -- my out of the box pick
"We don’t know exactly what we’re doing” -- John Fox
User avatar
docc
Head Coach
Posts: 3824
Joined: Sun Sep 11, 2011 4:33 pm
Location: Outpost of Reality S.E. Arizona
Has thanked: 966 times
Been thanked: 179 times

I..Doccstradamus,..predict..
Bears trade up from 3 to 2 give away a 3 and 4 and next year 3..for

Mitchell Trubisky..


Just a guess here at 7:51 Mountain..

Call me psychotic er whatever..
User avatar
Mikefive
Hall of Famer
Posts: 5192
Joined: Sat Aug 20, 2016 9:33 pm
Location: Valparaiso, IN, USA
Has thanked: 342 times
Been thanked: 278 times

Final results...

72% would've sat tight at 3.
28% would've taken a reasonable trade down if offered.
0% would've traded up.

Assuming trading down wasn't a reasonable option...
28% would've chosen Deshaun Watson
22% would've chosen Jamal Adams
17% would've chosen Patrick Mahomes II
11% would've chosen Malik Hooker
11% would've chosen Jonathan Allen
6% would've chosen Marshon Lattimore
6% would've chosen Solomon Thomas

0% listed Mitchell Trubisky on their board at all.
Mikefive's theory: The only time you KNOW that a sports team player, coach or management member is being 100% honest is when they're NOT reciting "the company line".

Go back to leather helmets, NFL.
User avatar
thunderspirit
Head Coach
Posts: 3864
Joined: Tue Sep 06, 2016 12:51 pm
Location: Greater Chicagoland, IL
Has thanked: 620 times
Been thanked: 617 times

Mikefive wrote:0% listed Mitchell Trubisky on their board at all.
We're either all geniuses or all idiots.
KFFL refugee.

dplank wrote:I agree with Rich here
RichH55 wrote: Dplank is correct
:shocked:
User avatar
Boris13c
Hall of Famer
Posts: 15969
Joined: Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:30 am
Location: The Bear Nebula
Has thanked: 41 times
Been thanked: 113 times

thunderspirit wrote:
Mikefive wrote:0% listed Mitchell Trubisky on their board at all.
We're either all geniuses or all idiots.

I think somewhere in the middle

we may not be as smart as we think we are, but we aren't as dumb as Pace

so the Mitchy-Ryan 2 headed monster now needs to prove me wrong ... I sincerely hope they are up to that challenge because I would be much happier typing an apology and a statement of being wrong than seeing the 2019 season start with a new coach, new GM and search for a franchise QB
"Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things."
George Carlin
User avatar
wab
Mod
Posts: 29884
Joined: Sun Nov 02, 2008 12:49 pm
Has thanked: 130 times
Been thanked: 1997 times

Boris13c wrote:
thunderspirit wrote:
Mikefive wrote:0% listed Mitchell Trubisky on their board at all.
We're either all geniuses or all idiots.

I think somewhere in the middle

we may not be as smart as we think we are, but we aren't as dumb as Pace

so the Mitchy-Ryan 2 headed monster now needs to prove me wrong ... I sincerely hope they are up to that challenge because I would be much happier typing an apology and a statement of being wrong than seeing the 2019 season start with a new coach, new GM and search for a franchise QB
Pace is employed by an NFL team. We aren't. I think he's not dumb.
User avatar
Boris13c
Hall of Famer
Posts: 15969
Joined: Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:30 am
Location: The Bear Nebula
Has thanked: 41 times
Been thanked: 113 times

wab wrote:
Boris13c wrote:
thunderspirit wrote:
Mikefive wrote:0% listed Mitchell Trubisky on their board at all.
We're either all geniuses or all idiots.

I think somewhere in the middle

we may not be as smart as we think we are, but we aren't as dumb as Pace

so the Mitchy-Ryan 2 headed monster now needs to prove me wrong ... I sincerely hope they are up to that challenge because I would be much happier typing an apology and a statement of being wrong than seeing the 2019 season start with a new coach, new GM and search for a franchise QB
Pace is employed by an NFL team. We aren't. I think he's not dumb.
yeah well, many a dunderhead has been employed by the NFL and NFL teams ... I can tick off several Bears related ones without even looking it up

I had thought Pace was a step up ... I now feel bamboozled
"Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things."
George Carlin
User avatar
docc
Head Coach
Posts: 3824
Joined: Sun Sep 11, 2011 4:33 pm
Location: Outpost of Reality S.E. Arizona
Has thanked: 966 times
Been thanked: 179 times

Yeh..but NOT one of us is qualified or has his future decided on this..

We are ONLY fans..no skin in this..
But seems many know so much better..
User avatar
Mikefive
Hall of Famer
Posts: 5192
Joined: Sat Aug 20, 2016 9:33 pm
Location: Valparaiso, IN, USA
Has thanked: 342 times
Been thanked: 278 times

docc wrote:Yeh..but NOT one of us is qualified or has his future decided on this..

We are ONLY fans..no skin in this..
But seems many know so much better..
It's a trick bag. Sure, Ryan Pace types have more experience than we do. But are we as fans just supposed to just bow down to everything they say and do and go "we're not worthy"? That's not going to work out well. Those guys make mistakes and we all have opinions. That's just the way it is.
Mikefive's theory: The only time you KNOW that a sports team player, coach or management member is being 100% honest is when they're NOT reciting "the company line".

Go back to leather helmets, NFL.
46Blitz
Assistant Coach
Posts: 545
Joined: Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:40 pm

Mikefive wrote:Final results...

72% would've sat tight at 3.
28% would've taken a reasonable trade down if offered.
0% would've traded up.

Assuming trading down wasn't a reasonable option...
28% would've chosen Deshaun Watson
22% would've chosen Jamal Adams
17% would've chosen Patrick Mahomes II
11% would've chosen Malik Hooker
11% would've chosen Jonathan Allen
6% would've chosen Marshon Lattimore
6% would've chosen Solomon Thomas

0% listed Mitchell Trubisky on their board at all.
Interesting...

Myself, I Would have stayed put unless there was a solid offer to trade down a few spots.

Trubisky
Hooker
Adams
OJ Howard

In order, was my personal list. The first 3 were interchangeable in wants as a fan. In no way did I want to see a trade up. But I don't know as much as these guys so. Who knows what goes on within the teams, workouts, and all the other information that goes around. But at the end of the day, I saw one of my top 4 picked sooo... I really had a feeling they were going to take Trub though. It was my gut.

But what I find interesting, that Trub wasn't on any radars anywhere. This was the first time I read this thread and went through it. Saw his name mentioned maybe once. Now I understand why it was such a shock to many here.
Post Reply