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Utah S Marcus Williams surrendered, on average, just 0.09 yards per coverage snap. :shock:

Marcus Williams was one of our second-team All-American safeties in 2016, as he put together an all-around outstanding season (he led all FBS safeties in run-stop percentage). Possibly the most eye-popping stat on him this season was his 0.09 yards surrendered per coverage snap. This metric takes the total yardage a player allows into his coverage and divides it by the number of coverage snaps played, and is a way to gauge the efficiency of a player’s production in coverage. Texas A&M’s Justin Evans was the next-closest safety (likely to be drafted within the first three rounds) to Williams, at 0.53. Not surprisingly, Williams also led all qualifying FBS safeties (more than 100 coverage snaps played) in total yards allowed, with just 38. While players like LSU’s Jamal Adams and Ohio State’s Malik Hooker are getting all the top-15 hype (and for good reason), Williams may have had the best statistical season in 2016 of this year’s loaded safety class.
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Williams is a good one, and if not for Hooker and Adams, he'd probably be the 1st safety taken.
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Yep; he's the guy for us if we don't end up with one of the top two.
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I just can't get on board with him at 3. I'm trying but every fiber of my being is resisting.
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I still think Peppers could become something special and wouldn't mind taking a chance on him at #36.
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Adipost wrote:I still think Peppers could become something special and wouldn't mind taking a chance on him at #36.
At worst dude would be a lights out KR/PR.
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G08 wrote:
Adipost wrote:I still think Peppers could become something special and wouldn't mind taking a chance on him at #36.
At worst dude would be a lights out KR/PR.
He'd be a lights out RB if he would just listen and make the switch, he's a dynamic runner in space... I don't understand why he is dead set on playing safety.
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BamaBear09 wrote:
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Adipost wrote:I still think Peppers could become something special and wouldn't mind taking a chance on him at #36.
At worst dude would be a lights out KR/PR.
He'd be a lights out RB if he would just listen and make the switch, he's a dynamic runner in space... I don't understand why he is dead set on playing safety.
A look at the average contract in free agency for a safety versus the average contract in free agency for a running back will answer that question.
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G08 wrote:I just can't get on board with him at 3. I'm trying but every fiber of my being is resisting.
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thunderspirit wrote:
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G08 wrote:
Adipost wrote:I still think Peppers could become something special and wouldn't mind taking a chance on him at #36.
At worst dude would be a lights out KR/PR.
He'd be a lights out RB if he would just listen and make the switch, he's a dynamic runner in space... I don't understand why he is dead set on playing safety.
A look at the average contract in free agency for a safety versus the average contract in free agency for a running back will answer that question.
If it were just money, I would think he would be jockeying for a role as an edge rusher... if we want to compare contracts...
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With the signing of Demps I dont think they will look high in the draft. That doesn't mean they won't look later.

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This last hit is technically perfect as I see it. Gets low. Leads with shoulder not head. Devastating contact and effect. Stays on his feet after contact. Do you play the #3 pick on STs? I hope so. Wow.
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I've seen Deon Bush whack some dudes in college too... I want more out of a #3 overall pick (S) than a thumper.
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Mayock moved Peppers to #1 on his safety prospect board... I really don't agree with this take at all... one tipped pass INT...
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From Matt Bowen (former NFL safety) from ESPN:
Watched tape of LSU safety Jamal Adams -- Love the way he plays the game. Natural instincts on the field. High football IQ. Tough. And he leads by example. Adams plays much faster than his stopwatch speed (4.56 40-yard dash). I see very little wasted movement with his footwork too. That shows up in his run reads. Quick downhill to close the distance to the ball carrier. And he finishes tackles. Adams also has the technique and coverage ability to match up to the slot. The skill set is there to play multiple roles in defensive sub-packages at the NFL level. If Adams can post a 40 time at his Pro Day in the low 4.5 range, I think he has the talent to come off the board in the Top 5 of the draft. He's the type of impact safety that coaches want in the secondary.

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mshu7 wrote:From Matt Bowen (former NFL safety) from ESPN:
Watched tape of LSU safety Jamal Adams -- Love the way he plays the game. Natural instincts on the field. High football IQ. Tough. And he leads by example. Adams plays much faster than his stopwatch speed (4.56 40-yard dash). I see very little wasted movement with his footwork too. That shows up in his run reads. Quick downhill to close the distance to the ball carrier. And he finishes tackles. Adams also has the technique and coverage ability to match up to the slot. The skill set is there to play multiple roles in defensive sub-packages at the NFL level. If Adams can post a 40 time at his Pro Day in the low 4.5 range, I think he has the talent to come off the board in the Top 5 of the draft. He's the type of impact safety that coaches want in the secondary.

Matt Bowen, ESPN Staff Writer
I really respect Bowen and Bucky Brooks, who used to scout for John Fox, said that he knows Foxy wants a sheriff back there patrolling in his secondary.

I can live with Adams in the first and the top rated corner in the second. Talk about re-vamping your secondary...
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G08 wrote:I've seen Deon Bush whack some dudes in college too... I want more out of a #3 overall pick (S) than a thumper.
How about the Deion Sanders of safeties?

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S in round 1 this year would be a smart choice. Many years there are no elite-level S's to be found in the draft...
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It's also a good choice this year because outside of maybe Garrett, there aren't any elite/top end talents. Lots of good depth though.
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