lol nice workHisRoyalSweetness wrote:"He started four games at cornerback as a true freshman and eventually moved to safety during spring ball before his junior year. He did so with the help of a familiar face: former Bears defensive coordinator Mel Tucker, who was an assistant at Alabama."Adipost wrote:He is a God awful tackler
(Patrick Finley, Chicago Sun Times)
Well that explains why the kid can't tackle!
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This is my problem with taking a pre injured player banking on his recovery and his highlight reel as explained by an NFL scout......
The scout told NFL.com that Jackson was a product of Alabama’s loaded defense and “cherry-picked” bad passes to pad his stats before suffering a season-ending injury in 2016.
“He had like 10 first-rounders in front of him and lockdown corners who almost never needed help,” the scout told NFL.com. “He got to sit back and cherry-pick overthrows. That’s great work if you can get it.”
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The scout told NFL.com that Jackson was a product of Alabama’s loaded defense and “cherry-picked” bad passes to pad his stats before suffering a season-ending injury in 2016.
“He had like 10 first-rounders in front of him and lockdown corners who almost never needed help,” the scout told NFL.com. “He got to sit back and cherry-pick overthrows. That’s great work if you can get it.”
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I still think in a draft without Adams and Hooker, and assuming he wasn't recovering from a broken leg, he goes anywhere between 20-40.
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Do you think he's a little like Deon Bush?MoFugger wrote:This is my problem with taking a pre injured player banking on his recovery and his highlight reel as explained by an NFL scout......
The scout told NFL.com that Jackson was a product of Alabama’s loaded defense and “cherry-picked” bad passes to pad his stats before suffering a season-ending injury in 2016.
“He had like 10 first-rounders in front of him and lockdown corners who almost never needed help,” the scout told NFL.com. “He got to sit back and cherry-pick overthrows. That’s great work if you can get it.”
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He's a metric shit ton faster than Bush. Bush has some coverage ability but is more of a hitter. Jackson is a pure coverage safety.Hiphopopotamos wrote:Do you think he's a little like Deon Bush?MoFugger wrote:This is my problem with taking a pre injured player banking on his recovery and his highlight reel as explained by an NFL scout......
The scout told NFL.com that Jackson was a product of Alabama’s loaded defense and “cherry-picked” bad passes to pad his stats before suffering a season-ending injury in 2016.
“He had like 10 first-rounders in front of him and lockdown corners who almost never needed help,” the scout told NFL.com. “He got to sit back and cherry-pick overthrows. That’s great work if you can get it.”
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In the sense that I hate this pick as much as I hated the Bush pick, yes. All hype, that will turn into hope, that will end in "ah hell".Hiphopopotamos wrote:Do you think he's a little like Deon Bush?MoFugger wrote:This is my problem with taking a pre injured player banking on his recovery and his highlight reel as explained by an NFL scout......
The scout told NFL.com that Jackson was a product of Alabama’s loaded defense and “cherry-picked” bad passes to pad his stats before suffering a season-ending injury in 2016.
“He had like 10 first-rounders in front of him and lockdown corners who almost never needed help,” the scout told NFL.com. “He got to sit back and cherry-pick overthrows. That’s great work if you can get it.”
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I know that sounds overly pessimistic. But kids like this almost never put it all together once they get in the pro's.
However, he's not a complete waste, and all teams need depth. I just hate drafting backups. Especially with the third of only 5 picks.
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Eh. He's the most athletic safety the Bears have. I trust Donatell on this one. Assuming they progress, Jackson, Amos, and Bush isn't a bad trio of safeties to build on.
Luckily he doesn't have to play right away.
Luckily he doesn't have to play right away.
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Pace on why the Bears traded up for Alabama safety/punt returner Eddie Jackson: "... A player that we had graded high on our board, obviously willing to move up for, plays free safety also a very good punt returner, a converted corner, very good instinct, very good ball skills, something we need and something we’re excited about, so a good addition for us."
Pace on Jackson's skill set: "It was just the ball skills and the instincts. So we really liked him as a safety and then you combine that with his skills as a punt returner and we knew we wanted to address punt returner. So I was like man, we’re going to kill two birds with one stone here and get a good safety and a good punt returner. It’s always good for me when I feel the excitement of our defensive coaches and the excitement of our special teams coaches and the excitement of our head coach. It’s a good pick to make.”
Pace on Jackson's skill set: "It was just the ball skills and the instincts. So we really liked him as a safety and then you combine that with his skills as a punt returner and we knew we wanted to address punt returner. So I was like man, we’re going to kill two birds with one stone here and get a good safety and a good punt returner. It’s always good for me when I feel the excitement of our defensive coaches and the excitement of our special teams coaches and the excitement of our head coach. It’s a good pick to make.”
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The only thing I don't like about him is that he's soft in run-support, and a poor tackler as other posters have addressed here.
Good thing we have Amos for that.
I like this kid as a true center-fielder.
Good thing we have Amos for that.
I like this kid as a true center-fielder.
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I watched 8 of his games on DB. His film isn't impressive, shows more wrong than right. Not sure what Pace and Co. sees in this kid? Only thing I can see as a potential building block is he can stay on the receivers hip on deep balls and has some PB follow through. I don't like this pick at all. Hope I'm wrong.
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So I guess it was a mistake when he was named the defensive MVP in the national championship game in 2016?Funkster wrote:I watched 8 of his games on DB. His film isn't impressive, shows more wrong than right. Not sure what Pace and Co. sees in this kid? Only thing I can see as a potential building block is he can stay on the receivers hip on deep balls and has some PB follow through. I don't like this pick at all. Hope I'm wrong.
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Over...TheWorldBreaker wrote:So I guess it was a mistake when he was named the defensive MVP in the national championship game in 2016?Funkster wrote:I watched 8 of his games on DB. His film isn't impressive, shows more wrong than right. Not sure what Pace and Co. sees in this kid? Only thing I can see as a potential building block is he can stay on the receivers hip on deep balls and has some PB follow through. I don't like this pick at all. Hope I'm wrong.
Jonathan Allen
A'Shawn Robinson
Jarran Reed
Marlon Humphrey
Reggie Ragland
and
Reuben Foster
That's a lot of NFL players right there.
All I have is his film to base my opinion off of. Like I said, I hope I'm wrong. I'm hanging my hat on Fangio's experience in getting the most out of his players.wab wrote:Over...TheWorldBreaker wrote:So I guess it was a mistake when he was named the defensive MVP in the national championship game in 2016?Funkster wrote:I watched 8 of his games on DB. His film isn't impressive, shows more wrong than right. Not sure what Pace and Co. sees in this kid? Only thing I can see as a potential building block is he can stay on the receivers hip on deep balls and has some PB follow through. I don't like this pick at all. Hope I'm wrong.
Jonathan Allen
A'Shawn Robinson
Jarran Reed
Marlon Humphrey
Reggie Ragland
and
Reuben Foster
That's a lot of NFL players right there.
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The Bears also happen to have one of the best defensive back coaches in the NFL.
True. I just don't see him as an upgrade to anyone in the rotation. IMO, the bears really need a ball hawking safety that can put fear into QB's and create turnovers. I just don't see Jackson as that type of player.
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Didn't everyone here want Obi in the 2nd? Now his tape was unimpressive.Funkster wrote:I watched 8 of his games on DB. His film isn't impressive, shows more wrong than right. Not sure what Pace and Co. sees in this kid? Only thing I can see as a potential building block is he can stay on the receivers hip on deep balls and has some PB follow through. I don't like this pick at all. Hope I'm wrong.
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Deon Branch won a super bowl mvp. Then he went to another team and wasn't mvpish. So did Jackson the safely from Tampa. Tebow was the best college player in Football. I don't think one accolade proves much. I also don't think funk is wrong.TheWorldBreaker wrote:So I guess it was a mistake when he was named the defensive MVP in the national championship game in 2016?Funkster wrote:I watched 8 of his games on DB. His film isn't impressive, shows more wrong than right. Not sure what Pace and Co. sees in this kid? Only thing I can see as a potential building block is he can stay on the receivers hip on deep balls and has some PB follow through. I don't like this pick at all. Hope I'm wrong.
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Some guys are definitely the product of a system. But the claim he made was that he did a lot more wrong than right.mmmc_35 wrote:Deon Branch won a super bowl mvp. Then he went to another team and wasn't mvpish. So did Jackson the safely from Tampa. Tebow was the best college player in Football. I don't think one accolade proves much. I also don't think funk is wrong.TheWorldBreaker wrote:So I guess it was a mistake when he was named the defensive MVP in the national championship game in 2016?Funkster wrote:I watched 8 of his games on DB. His film isn't impressive, shows more wrong than right. Not sure what Pace and Co. sees in this kid? Only thing I can see as a potential building block is he can stay on the receivers hip on deep balls and has some PB follow through. I don't like this pick at all. Hope I'm wrong.
There are a couple problems with this claim. First, he doesn't know what Jackson was asked to do in the context of the defense, next if he were a bumbling idiot that didn't know how to play safety, Saban could of easily benched him, instead he was a permanent captain.
He was obviously doing things Saban wanted him to do.
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I like the fact that Pace believes Jackson is a good PR. Almost a sop to Fox, who I believe prefers a defensive player in that role to an offensive player. But, in any case, Jackson seems like a more useful player when not on STs than the PRs the Bears have had recently.
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At worst, he ends up being a good return man... at best he can be a great center fielder who is dynamic when he gets his hands on an INT... On top of that on a team stacked with talent they looked to this guy as a leader... when he went down during the season the defense had to change completely. And weren't people here complaining about Emery not taking Clinton-Dix? Jackson was better than Clinton-Dix....
BamaBear09 wrote: On top of that on a team stacked with talent they looked to this guy as a leader... when he went down during the season the defense had to change completely.
That's a good point that I failed to see. They did look to him as a leader.
It's just hard for me to ignore the consistent bad that shows up on on his film.
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G08 wrote:The only thing I don't like about him is that he's soft in run-support, and a poor tackler as other posters have addressed here.
Good thing we have Amos for that.
I like this kid as a true center-fielder.
I was going to say that...his tacking and durability are his main drawbacks...but he can still add some weight over the next 18 months, that would help in both areas. Good coaching can help the tackling part...being a FS as opposed to a SS, it's not as big a concern.
Overall, I really like the pick. Some had him as a early 2nd rounder before his injury.
Funkster wrote:True. I just don't see him as an upgrade to anyone in the rotation. IMO, the bears really need a ball hawking safety that can put fear into QB's and create turnovers. I just don't see Jackson as that type of player.
That's exactly what he is, a guy with very good instincts in space and a ball hawk. The other young safeties on the roster are more box guys...Bush HJQ and Amos.
From the 8 games I watched, I disagree 100%. But again, I hope I wrong.ysleblanc wrote:Funkster wrote:True. I just don't see him as an upgrade to anyone in the rotation. IMO, the bears really need a ball hawking safety that can put fear into QB's and create turnovers. I just don't see Jackson as that type of player.
That's exactly what he is, a guy with very good instincts in space and a ball hawk.
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This "ball hawk" term is very detrimental to the amateur scouting process. Some DBs have REALLY good number years. ALL DBs have really low number years. What is a "ball hawk" 6-9 INTs per year? Who is that? INTs are amazing, but one person shouldn't be THE INT guy. Who was the last Patriots "ball hawk"? Or Giants "ball hawk"? Did the Cowboys have a "ball hawk" this past year?
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What is a ball hawk, you say?alexwilkins wrote:This "ball hawk" term is very detrimental to the amateur scouting process. Some DBs have REALLY good number years. ALL DBs have really low number years. What is a "ball hawk" 6-9 INTs per year? Who is that? INTs are amazing, but one person shouldn't be THE INT guy. Who was the last Patriots "ball hawk"? Or Giants "ball hawk"? Did the Cowboys have a "ball hawk" this past year?
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Anyone got any speed numbers on this kid? High school, track if he ran it, etc?
I found this but I don't know if it's accurate:
I found this but I don't know if it's accurate:
Jackson checks in at 6'1'', 175 pounds and he really sets himself apart with his speed. He runs a 4.38 40 according to 247Sports.
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I haven't seen any recent specific 40 times because of his injury, but based on his tape - he seems to play pretty fast IMO.
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The pre-draft comments that he benefited from having a lot of talent in front of him is a bit flawed IMO. If that were the case, then how come his replacements (Shawn Burgess-Becker and Ronnie Harrison) didn't have the same type of impact as ball hawks?
Some players have that innate ability to get themselves in position to make interceptions based on instincts, awareness and preparation. If healthy this upcoming season, I think Jackson make a solid impact on our defense and special teams.
Some players have that innate ability to get themselves in position to make interceptions based on instincts, awareness and preparation. If healthy this upcoming season, I think Jackson make a solid impact on our defense and special teams.
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