Sure - it might be too early, but since this draft came and went so quickly, thought it would be nice to see who the top players are for next season at this time.
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Right now, if I'm the Bears, I'm evaluating the LT group and Connor Williams looks like a stud.
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OT is top of my list, too, although I still see a sizable number of medium to high-end concerns:
Position….Rounds…………………..Comment
1) OT……1-2……………………both mediocre, Massie overpaid and Leno will be, if retained
2) E………1-4…………………… 4/6 are FAs and Howard is very iffy
3) S………1-3……………………Tons of ok young depth, but old and/or mediocre at the top
4) CB……1-3.…………………..Healthy and at their best, this unit is fine. Both starters are FA.
5) WR..….1-3…………………..A real box of chocolates, but probably lacking at the top
6) OT……2-3……………………both mediocre, Massie overpaid and Leno will be, if retained
7) OLB….1-4……………………McPhee, Houston expensive and injury problems
Position….Rounds…………………..Comment
1) OT……1-2……………………both mediocre, Massie overpaid and Leno will be, if retained
2) E………1-4…………………… 4/6 are FAs and Howard is very iffy
3) S………1-3……………………Tons of ok young depth, but old and/or mediocre at the top
4) CB……1-3.…………………..Healthy and at their best, this unit is fine. Both starters are FA.
5) WR..….1-3…………………..A real box of chocolates, but probably lacking at the top
6) OT……2-3……………………both mediocre, Massie overpaid and Leno will be, if retained
7) OLB….1-4……………………McPhee, Houston expensive and injury problems
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Pretty much agree with that list. I think OT will be a top need heading into 2018 along with DE and CB.Moriarty wrote:OT is top of my list, too, although I still see a sizable number of medium to high-end concerns:
Position….Rounds…………………..Comment
1) OT……1-2……………………both mediocre, Massie overpaid and Leno will be, if retained
2) E………1-4…………………… 4/6 are FAs and Howard is very iffy
3) S………1-3……………………Tons of ok young depth, but old and/or mediocre at the top
4) CB……1-3.…………………..Healthy and at their best, this unit is fine. Both starters are FA.
5) WR..….1-3…………………..A real box of chocolates, but probably lacking at the top
6) OT……2-3……………………both mediocre, Massie overpaid and Leno will be, if retained
7) OLB….1-4……………………McPhee, Houston expensive and injury problems
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I still like Charles Leno. I know LT is "the second most important position, but he's low key really good. He's not Elite by any sense, not yet anyway, but I'm reserving judgement. He's going into there season with it being his job to lose, and I think that should build some confidence in him. He's a 7th round pick for cryin out loud. I don't think he's going to demand that much, either. And durability? He started 39 consecutive games in college, and he was the ONLY Chicago Bears to play 100% of the offensive snaps last year.
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Leno gives up plays occasionally, but he's solid. I liken him to Andy Heck.
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Again, the only thing Leno really has going against him is his size. Thankfully he has long arms. Historically guys at that position at that size don't hold up over the long run. Just ask Willie Colon, Kelvin Beachum, and Garry Williams.
I'm perfectly happy with the Bears squeezing whatever they can out of him while they can, as long as they have a contingency plan for when he inevitably goes down/suddenly drops off.
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I think his size is less of an issue in the zone scheme the Bears use, but your larger point is sound.
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The one thing about Leno is compared to the years prior to his arrival, he is at least competent, which makes him look like a pro bowler compared to the heaping dogshit pile that was before him. LT's don't grow on trees and many first round LT's have played much less effective than Leno. To write him off is dumb.
Ok, so what if the Bears can't trade their pick(value wise, with the team behind them "knowing" they don't need a QB) And a potential stud QB is sitting there in their lap at say pick #4. Do you double down at the position?
Let's just say Glennon plays well enough to play the year out but shows enough that he isn't the answer. Yet Trubisky didn't get much time in because of this. Trubisky is then projected starter after learning the NFL game from the sidelines. But still, you just don't really know yet.
Do you double down on the position trying to lock your self up at a position that gave the franchise trouble forever? Gain great depth at a position that every team in the league craves? Or do you go with the next best player at a position of need?
i know it's crazy thinking, but hey...
Let's just say Glennon plays well enough to play the year out but shows enough that he isn't the answer. Yet Trubisky didn't get much time in because of this. Trubisky is then projected starter after learning the NFL game from the sidelines. But still, you just don't really know yet.
Do you double down on the position trying to lock your self up at a position that gave the franchise trouble forever? Gain great depth at a position that every team in the league craves? Or do you go with the next best player at a position of need?
i know it's crazy thinking, but hey...
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Taking a top 5 QB 2 years in a row would get Pace run out of the city before the 2nd round even started.
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QB is the 1 position where a top 5 prospect will always attract trade value.46Blitz wrote:Ok, so what if the Bears can't trade their pick(value wise, with the team behind them "knowing" they don't need a QB) And a potential stud QB is sitting there in their lap at say pick #4. Do you double down at the position?
Let's just say Glennon plays well enough to play the year out but shows enough that he isn't the answer. Yet Trubisky didn't get much time in because of this. Trubisky is then projected starter after learning the NFL game from the sidelines. But still, you just don't really know yet.
Do you double down on the position trying to lock your self up at a position that gave the franchise trouble forever? Gain great depth at a position that every team in the league craves? Or do you go with the next best player at a position of need?
i know it's crazy thinking, but hey...
Everybody knew SF didn't want to take QB at 2 (regardless of taking one being a reasonable choice), and they still got a trade. And not just a trade - they very next team in line made a trade to move 1 space, because they were that terrified of all the other trade offers they figured the QB could generate.
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This is true, I mean there will be offers no doubt. But how good the offer is, and weighing out how good the prospect is.
I was thinking it but didn't lay the question out as well. My thought was more about the quality of the prospect. What if someone is sitting there that could be the next P Manning, Luck, Rodgers ect. A top shelf prospect that everyone wants and the Bears once again shit the bed and are lucky enough to be in position. My question would be, do you take him with Trubisky on the roster? Or do you get back the picks you gave up the prior season? Do you go with the Best player available concept? (In this case another QB) or load up on picks?
In all honesty, I like Trubisky and want him to be the first great QB the Bears have had (not counting a few old dogs that played before my time), that said.... I think I would seriously consider taking another QB prospect.
I was thinking it but didn't lay the question out as well. My thought was more about the quality of the prospect. What if someone is sitting there that could be the next P Manning, Luck, Rodgers ect. A top shelf prospect that everyone wants and the Bears once again shit the bed and are lucky enough to be in position. My question would be, do you take him with Trubisky on the roster? Or do you get back the picks you gave up the prior season? Do you go with the Best player available concept? (In this case another QB) or load up on picks?
In all honesty, I like Trubisky and want him to be the first great QB the Bears have had (not counting a few old dogs that played before my time), that said.... I think I would seriously consider taking another QB prospect.
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I don't think there is a chance that it will happen, but it's not the craziest idea. Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson snagged Aikman in the regular draft and then turned around and traded away their next year's first round pick to pick up Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft. So Dallas had two rookie QB first round draft picks battling it out, alternating practicing with the first team, alternating preseason starts, etc.
Their approach may seem stupid to some, but if the Bears ever were as determined to solve their problems at the QB position, then maybe we wouldn't be looking at 1940's Sid Luckman as the franchise's all time great QB.
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Besides Calvin Ridley, who are some of the top WR prospects in this year's draft that excite you?
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I like James Washington an awful lot. Aside from him, Courtland Sutton and Equanimeous St. Brown are my faves.DaSuperfan wrote:Besides Calvin Ridley, who are some of the top WR prospects in this year's draft that excite you?
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I haven't seen much of Sutton - read some decent things about him. I do however like Brown and Washington a lot too. Washington just seems like a really good route runner and gets separation more often times than not. Also has game breaking ability, just seems to have a knack for making huge plays.
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I think we can trade back few spots depending on what QB is available. I believe we should work our OL first though. Massie needs upgraded and Leno with his extension could probably still be upgraded as well. WRs are found all throughout the draft, but quality lineman usually first few rounds. Plus I keep hearing this draft has a lot of WR depth but haven't heard much about ol.
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Bears need another pass rusher, a WR, a RT, and a CB. In that order.
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Yep, I agree! I'm also expecting Fuller to re-sign here so that helps bump CB down.wab wrote:Bears need another pass rusher, a WR, a RT, and a CB. In that order.
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If our wr depth next season is:G08 wrote:Yep, I agree! I'm also expecting Fuller to re-sign here so that helps bump CB down.wab wrote:Bears need another pass rusher, a WR, a RT, and a CB. In that order.
I love Meredith... as a #2
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I like Kendall Wright as a #3
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After 1/4 of the season, I've updated the shopping list:
Position….Rounds…………………..Comment
1) WR..….1-2…………………..A wreck, could use a vet and a prospect
2) OLB….1-2……………………Age, injury, and expense problems, all in one
3) S………1-2……………………One old guy with not much time left plus one young maybe
4) OT……1-2……………………both mediocre at best, but can’t dump Leno until 2019
5) K……….5-7………………….Barth fair with no range and a FA
6) P……....5-7………………….Off to an unusually good start in a contract yr, but I’m watching you
Not having a R3 sucks. That's still a really quality round.
With this being an awesome year for FA WR
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... ue-for-wrs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and not enough picks to go around (as always), my current blueprint is
* Pay for a stud veteran WR (Prepare to live with FA, Wright/Wheaton, Cam, White at your top spots. Hope the other 2 can show you something.)
* Get a R1 OT to help Mitchy in pass pro. Play him at RT for 2-4 yrs, then move to LT and cut Leno, once there's limited dead money involved. Looks like a solid to good OT year.
* R2: probably OLB, but maybe S or WR, if those shake out as better value.
Position….Rounds…………………..Comment
1) WR..….1-2…………………..A wreck, could use a vet and a prospect
2) OLB….1-2……………………Age, injury, and expense problems, all in one
3) S………1-2……………………One old guy with not much time left plus one young maybe
4) OT……1-2……………………both mediocre at best, but can’t dump Leno until 2019
5) K……….5-7………………….Barth fair with no range and a FA
6) P……....5-7………………….Off to an unusually good start in a contract yr, but I’m watching you
Not having a R3 sucks. That's still a really quality round.
With this being an awesome year for FA WR
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... ue-for-wrs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and not enough picks to go around (as always), my current blueprint is
* Pay for a stud veteran WR (Prepare to live with FA, Wright/Wheaton, Cam, White at your top spots. Hope the other 2 can show you something.)
* Get a R1 OT to help Mitchy in pass pro. Play him at RT for 2-4 yrs, then move to LT and cut Leno, once there's limited dead money involved. Looks like a solid to good OT year.
* R2: probably OLB, but maybe S or WR, if those shake out as better value.
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I just dont see how they would take a safety early, especially after they potentially just hit on a FS in the fourth, finally allowing us to move amos to what is obviously his natural position, SS.Moriarty wrote:After 1/4 of the season, I've updated the shopping list:
Position….Rounds…………………..Comment
1) WR..….1-2…………………..A wreck, could use a vet and a prospect
2) OLB….1-2……………………Age, injury, and expense problems, all in one
3) S………1-2……………………One old guy with not much time left plus one young maybe
4) OT……1-2……………………both mediocre at best, but can’t dump Leno until 2019
5) K……….5-7………………….Barth fair with no range and a FA
6) P……....5-7………………….Off to an unusually good start in a contract yr, but I’m watching you
Not having a R3 sucks. That's still a really quality round.
With this being an awesome year for FA WR
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... ue-for-wrs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and not enough picks to go around (as always), my current blueprint is
* Pay for a stud veteran WR (live with FA, Wright/Wheaton, Cam, White at your top spots)
* Get a R1 OT to help Mitchy in pass pro. Play him at RT for 2-4 yrs, then move to LT and cut Leno, once there's limited dead money involved. Looks like a solid to good OT year.
* R2: probably OLB, but S or WR, if
WR, CB, OT, OLB, ILB (we are starting Timu/Jones this week FFS) in that order before you consider a safety.
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Jackson's a maybe and that's about all that's going on there. Amos is steady and versatile and all, but he's also a definite part of the reason this defense hasn't been creating turnovers for 2.25 yrs.RustyTrubisky wrote:I just dont see how they would take a safety early, especially after they potentially just hit on a FS in the fourth, finally allowing us to move amos to what is obviously his natural position, SS.Moriarty wrote:After 1/4 of the season, I've updated the shopping list:
Position….Rounds…………………..Comment
1) WR..….1-2…………………..A wreck, could use a vet and a prospect
2) OLB….1-2……………………Age, injury, and expense problems, all in one
3) S………1-2……………………One old guy with not much time left plus one young maybe
4) OT……1-2……………………both mediocre at best, but can’t dump Leno until 2019
5) K……….5-7………………….Barth fair with no range and a FA
6) P……....5-7………………….Off to an unusually good start in a contract yr, but I’m watching you
Not having a R3 sucks. That's still a really quality round.
With this being an awesome year for FA WR
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... ue-for-wrs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and not enough picks to go around (as always), my current blueprint is
* Pay for a stud veteran WR (live with FA, Wright/Wheaton, Cam, White at your top spots)
* Get a R1 OT to help Mitchy in pass pro. Play him at RT for 2-4 yrs, then move to LT and cut Leno, once there's limited dead money involved. Looks like a solid to good OT year.
* R2: probably OLB, but S or WR, if
WR, CB, OT, OLB, ILB (we are starting Timu/Jones this week FFS) in that order before you consider a safety.
CB I strenuously disagree with. They've got 3 starters and good depth. After they lose 1 in free agency, there's still 2 solid starters with good depth.
ILB?? That's just temporary injuries. Timu started the season on PS and he'll be lucky if that's not where he starts 2018, even without any additions.
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Pretty sure Timu will have played too many games to be eligible for the PS next year.
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i guess i'm not so rosy about how this year's CB depth chart translates to next year. Cooper is solid and locked up for two more years. Bryce is solid when he's not injured so we can probably count on bringing him back, but maybe never more than as depth. Amuk is here on a one year deal because he's always injured, and... he's always injured. Fuller very well might pull an Alshon and tell us to fuck off, stemming back to Fangio calling him out a bit.Moriarty wrote:Jackson's a maybe and that's about all that's going on there. Amos is steady and versatile and all, but he's also a definite part of the reason this defense hasn't been creating turnovers for 2.25 yrs.RustyTrubisky wrote:I just dont see how they would take a safety early, especially after they potentially just hit on a FS in the fourth, finally allowing us to move amos to what is obviously his natural position, SS.Moriarty wrote:After 1/4 of the season, I've updated the shopping list:
Position….Rounds…………………..Comment
1) WR..….1-2…………………..A wreck, could use a vet and a prospect
2) OLB….1-2……………………Age, injury, and expense problems, all in one
3) S………1-2……………………One old guy with not much time left plus one young maybe
4) OT……1-2……………………both mediocre at best, but can’t dump Leno until 2019
5) K……….5-7………………….Barth fair with no range and a FA
6) P……....5-7………………….Off to an unusually good start in a contract yr, but I’m watching you
Not having a R3 sucks. That's still a really quality round.
With this being an awesome year for FA WR
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... ue-for-wrs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and not enough picks to go around (as always), my current blueprint is
* Pay for a stud veteran WR (live with FA, Wright/Wheaton, Cam, White at your top spots)
* Get a R1 OT to help Mitchy in pass pro. Play him at RT for 2-4 yrs, then move to LT and cut Leno, once there's limited dead money involved. Looks like a solid to good OT year.
* R2: probably OLB, but S or WR, if
WR, CB, OT, OLB, ILB (we are starting Timu/Jones this week FFS) in that order before you consider a safety.
CB I strenuously disagree with. They've got 3 starters and good depth. After they lose 1 in free agency, there's still 2 solid starters with good depth.
ILB?? That's just temporary injuries. Timu started the season on PS and he'll be lucky if that's not where he starts 2018, even without any additions.
That doesnt look like a settled depth chart to me.
As for ILB, freeman is, while one of our better players, on IR and 31. Trevethan has ended two of his seasons on IR already the only real depth at all is a 4th rounder who's effectively done nothing beyond having a polish last name.
Timu is notable RIGHT NOW because it shows how shitty our ILB depth is.
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It's always confusing, so I won't swear to it, but I'm pretty sure that since he only played 7 as a rookie, he still remains eligible, however many he plays this year.wab wrote:Pretty sure Timu will have played too many games to be eligible for the PS next year.
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You might be right. For some reason I thought he played 8 or 10.Moriarty wrote:It's always confusing, so I won't swear to it, but I'm pretty sure that since he only played 7 as a rookie, he still remains eligible, however many he plays this year.wab wrote:Pretty sure Timu will have played too many games to be eligible for the PS next year.
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I do...even though I generally don't like WR's that short. But Cam and Kevin are 6'3 so...Adipost wrote:Anybody here like Christian Kirk? He’s fast and shifty, being compared to OBJ. With a guy like Trubisky, i’d value speed/agility in a WR over size.
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