I don't think Pace should not draft a WR early in R1 because of Kevin White. He shouldn't draft one because there isn't a WR in this year's draft that is worthy of a top 10 pick. If there was a Calvin Johnson or Julio Jones type then it'd be a different story.
Also, OT and OLB are huge needs. I think Pace finds a WR in FA and addresses it again in R2 or R4 of the draft.
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Positions you should draft high are QB, edge rusher, OT, and interior DL.
EDIT: Exceptions can be made for someone you truly consider a generational talent (Calvin and Julio fit that mold; Gurley and Fournette might, too). But generally, it's not a good idea.
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Cornerback as well surely? I'd also say your OTs need to have LT potential or they aren't worth it. Perhaps even modify edge rusher and interior DL to anyone who can rush the QB.thunderspirit wrote:Positions you should draft high are QB, edge rusher, OT, and interior DL.
EDIT: Exceptions can be made for someone you truly consider a generational talent (Calvin and Julio fit that mold; Gurley and Fournette might, too). But generally, it's not a good idea.
Weirdly WR should be a position that would be good to draft high, based on their compensation at least, but they do seem to have shorter careers now even outside of the round 1 bust rate. One to plug in free agency and scheme around I hope...
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The general rule of thumb is that unless there is an otherwise generational type talent - guys that are worthy of top ten picks are QBs, guys that protect the QBs, and guys that get after the QBs.
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This.wab wrote:The general rule of thumb is that unless there is an otherwise generational type talent - guys that are worthy of top ten picks are QBs, guys that protect the QBs, and guys that get after the QBs.
You can cover CB play with a better pass rush.
You can't cover a poor pass rush with good CB play nearly as well.
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Then I have to ask: who are some 2nd round WRs you likewab wrote:The general rule of thumb is that unless there is an otherwise generational type talent - guys that are worthy of top ten picks are QBs, guys that protect the QBs, and guys that get after the QBs.
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I think more WRs that are ranked as 1st rounders will be available in the 2nd round than people expect.
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WR's I like in R2 right now (in no order):
Dante Pettis
Anthony Miller
Simmie Cobb Jr.
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James Washington
Arden Tate
Dante Pettis
Anthony Miller
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ESB is shown as a second rounder on many boards. Dude is perhaps the most physically gifted WR in the draft. Fortunately his team couldn't get him the ball.
Kirk is lightning in a bottle. He does body catch everything. So I question that. He though is a guy you want to get if he is there.
Washington has everything you want. The question is route running due to his college spread system. Those guys generally are slower to develop in the nfl.
Kirk is lightning in a bottle. He does body catch everything. So I question that. He though is a guy you want to get if he is there.
Washington has everything you want. The question is route running due to his college spread system. Those guys generally are slower to develop in the nfl.
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As I start delving into the draft, one name that is on the "soon to be known" list is Michael Gallup from Colorado St. PFF has him listed as a top graded WR.DaSuperfan wrote:WR's I like in R2 right now (in no order):
Dante Pettis
Anthony Miller
Simmie Cobb Jr.
Equanimeous St. Brown
James Washington
Arden Tate
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Forgot to mention Kirk in R2. If he's there, I think it's a no brainer. He would give the Bears offense a dynamic playmaker that defense will have to account for given his explosive play style and speed. Not to mention him and Cohen in the return game is downright scary.mmmc_35 wrote:ESB is shown as a second rounder on many boards. Dude is perhaps the most physically gifted WR in the draft. Fortunately his team couldn't get him the ball.
Kirk is lightning in a bottle. He does body catch everything. So I question that. He though is a guy you want to get if he is there.
Washington has everything you want. The question is route running due to his college spread system. Those guys generally are slower to develop in the nfl.
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Christian Kirk or Calvin Ridley..at 8 pick for Bears, 4 QBs to be targeted..above us..
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I want Levi Wallace in the middle rounds...
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I get that its not a need - but I don't know how anyone could have watched the Rose Bowl yesterday and not want Roquan Smith at LB on their team. That kid was flying all over the field - sideline to sideline - against the best offense in college football.
I'd draft him at 8 and not feel bad about it.
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Dude. I agree. I don't think it's an understatement to say he's a big reason they won that game. Put Jones outside and let the future inside be Smith and Kawasaki.Hiphopopotamos wrote:I get that its not a need - but I don't know how anyone could have watched the Rose Bowl yesterday and not want Roquan Smith at LB on their team. That kid was flying all over the field - sideline to sideline - against the best offense in college football.
I'd draft him at 8 and not feel bad about it.
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So who are some guys you are looking at in the later rounds?
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I really don't feel like there's much need in those rounds. The bottom end of our roster is fine. It's playmakers at the top that's lacking.bearsfaninaz wrote:So who are some guys you are looking at in the later rounds?
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For example - we could stand to be better at S. But is anyone we pick on Day 3 going to come in and be better than the 5 young Day 3 guys we already have (Amos, Jackson, Bush, H-C, Hall)? Not very likely.
I'm definitely in for a K (Pineiro, Carlson)
Developmental QB (Falk, Ferguson) is ideal, although not necessary.
Maybe ILB
Maybe OL, if you think FAs like Compton & Sowell won't be back.
Top of 4, a few good players slide every year. That's a good spot to be opportunistic and look for BPA.
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Good news for us - both Darnold and Rosen have declared for the draft.
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I know CB may or may not be a need this April but Josh Jackson is a very impressive CB1 prospect. If we don’t retain Fuller or Amukamara, I wouldn’t be opposed looking st him at #8. Though I do prefer Edge Rusher or OL in R1.
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I would not be upset if we drafted Derwin James or Tarvarus McFadden at #8 although the pick should be BPA.
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I would draft Michael Dickson P Texas with a mid-round pick assuming he's still there. He's easily the best punter I've seen in my lifetime - and its not really very close. Never seen a kid with a cannon for a leg that can also drop it inside the 10 so consistently. He is a real weapon in the field position war. Come at me.
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The Bears are more than fine at safety.The Marshall Plan wrote:I would not be upset if we drafted Derwin James or Tarvarus McFadden at #8 although the pick should be BPA.
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Louisville QB Lamar Jackson announced this morning that he is declaring for the NFL draft. Great news for us as every one of the underclassmen QB's people were talking about as possible top 10 picks have declared.
If at least a few of these guys go top 7 it should push a really nice player down to us at 8.
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I know QBs get overvalued at this time of year and everything kinda settles when Draft Day rolls around, but it’s entirely possible that 5 QBs could go in the top 10Hiphopopotamos wrote:Louisville QB Lamar Jackson announced this morning that he is declaring for the NFL draft. Great news for us as every one of the underclassmen QB's people were talking about as possible top 10 picks have declared.
If at least a few of these guys go top 7 it should push a really nice player down to us at 8.
Darnold
Rosen
Allen
Jackson
Mayfield
Add in Barkley and Chubb and the Bears could come away with a pretty good player at #8.
There’s also Rudolph (who could go anywhere between 5 and 95) and Finley in the 1st round mix.
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It's win-win for us... either a stud falls to us OR we can fleece a QB-needy team that wants to trade up to our pick.wab wrote:I know QBs get overvalued at this time of year and everything kinda settles when Draft Day rolls around, but it’s entirely possible that 5 QBs could go in the top 10Hiphopopotamos wrote:Louisville QB Lamar Jackson announced this morning that he is declaring for the NFL draft. Great news for us as every one of the underclassmen QB's people were talking about as possible top 10 picks have declared.
If at least a few of these guys go top 7 it should push a really nice player down to us at 8.
Darnold
Rosen
Allen
Jackson
Mayfield
Add in Barkley and Chubb and the Bears could come away with a pretty good player at #8.
There’s also Rudolph (who could go anywhere between 5 and 95) and Finley in the 1st round mix.
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For the life of me I can't work out why Rudolph isn't getting more love? I'd put good money on him being a better QB than Allen, Rosen or Jackson and think he'll be the best from this class (assuming he gets any real opportunity).wab wrote:I know QBs get overvalued at this time of year and everything kinda settles when Draft Day rolls around, but it’s entirely possible that 5 QBs could go in the top 10Hiphopopotamos wrote:Louisville QB Lamar Jackson announced this morning that he is declaring for the NFL draft. Great news for us as every one of the underclassmen QB's people were talking about as possible top 10 picks have declared.
If at least a few of these guys go top 7 it should push a really nice player down to us at 8.
Darnold
Rosen
Allen
Jackson
Mayfield
Add in Barkley and Chubb and the Bears could come away with a pretty good player at #8.
There’s also Rudolph (who could go anywhere between 5 and 95) and Finley in the 1st round mix.
Of the teams above us:
Browns - one of their picks is going to be a QB, surely?
Giants - Manning is 37 and clearly declining so someone who can be groomed behind him is surely on the cards.
Colts - Even with the rumours swirling around Luck's health they fill another gap here. If Luck is done they'll pick high enough next year to grab a QB then.
Browns - Barkley makes a lot of sense here.
Broncos - Another strong shout for a QB, they won't be planning on picking this high again for a while. Wouldn't surprise me to see them trade up if they have one they really like.
Jets - Do they have a bigger need than QB?
Bucs - Not giving up on Jameis Winston yet.
Obviously free agency and trades will have some impact Smith to the Browns makes sense for example, but I wouldn't be surprised to see 3 go before us along with Chubb and Barkley. By the time #8 comes around we're going to have a shot at the first player from a few positions, WR, CB/DB, OT/OL etc. I don't see anyone head and shoulders ahead there and will be predictably screaming for a trade down.
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Indy seems like a team in a good spot to move down should someone want a QB. It could conceivably go QB, QB, QB, RB, QB, QB, DE.
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I would like to see the Bears draft Troy Fumagalli , TE , Wisconsin. He is a big athletic TE, who catches the ball cleanly, runs good routes, blocks, etc. He can play as a move TE or in line. I think having two promising TE along with a new WR core really could change the dynamics of the offense.
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Connor Williams is probably the guy who's most likely to test really well at the Combine, I'll give you that. His injury history is gonna make teams pause, though.
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