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I think the Vikings have a lot to play for in week 17 with yesterday's results.
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I'm back on the optimism train. We play like that against the Lions and the Browns and we have a good shot at winning both. Man, we only lost to the Vikings by three so how much better is our offence now compared to falling back on defence?
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I think we can beat the Browns for sure, and I'm 50/50 on the Lions. It would be fun to win out, as long as it doesn't mean Fox gets to keep his job.
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wab wrote:I think we can beat the Browns for sure, and I'm 50/50 on the Lions. It would be fun to win out, as long as it doesn't mean Fox gets to keep his job.
I'm not sure I care much about the end results any more, I just want Trubisky to continue to ascend playing solid football.
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wab wrote:I think we can beat the Browns for sure, and I'm 50/50 on the Lions. It would be fun to win out, as long as it doesn't mean Fox gets to keep his job.
John Fox is not driving the optimism train!
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some mild interest:

1 Cleveland 0-14
2 NY Giants 2-12
3 Indianapolis 3-11
4 HoustonCLE Cle4-10
5 San Francisco 4-10
6 Chicago 4-10
7 Tampa Bay 4-9
8 Cincinnati 5-9

-49ers on a 3 game win streak, but they close out with the jags and the rams. that's pretty tough.
-colts and houston end the season. if the texans win and we continue to be horrible, we could end up top five and ahead of cleveland's second pick, which could get really interesting if they try and get by not taking a qb first overall.
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PICK TEAM RECORD WIN% GB SOS STREAK
1
Cleveland
0-14 .000 -- .513 Lost 14
2
NY Giants
2-12 .143 2.0 .527 Lost 4
3
Indianapolis
3-11 .214 3.0 .487 Lost 5
4
Houston
CLE Cle 4-10 .286 4.0 .504 Lost 4
5
San Francisco
4-10 .286 4.0 .511 Won 3
6
Chicago
4-10 .286 4.0 .559 Lost 1
7
Tampa Bay
4-9 .308 4.5 .559 Lost 3
8
Cincinnati
5-9 .357 5.0 .473 Lost 3
9
Denver
5-9 .357 5.0 .484 Won 2
10
NY Jets
5-9 .357 5.0 .534 Lost 2
11
Arizona
6-8 .429 6.0 .486 Lost 1
12
Washington
6-8 .429 6.0 .529 Won 1
13
Miami
6-8 .429 6.0 .552 Lost 1
14
Oakland
6-7 .462 6.5 .507 Lost 1
So it looks like 3-14 is possible, but 5-10 is the most likely range.
If I had to pick, I'd bet on 9.
I think they beat Cleveland, but can't take out a MIN team, even playing half backups.
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You'd imagine the Texans will beat the Colts and whilst Jax and the Rams are good I'm holding out hope Garoppolo stays hot and takes one game.

Bucs, Bengals and Jets lose out which puts us behind them on strength of schedule (it's killing us!). Denver gets a win to stay ahead.

That takes us to 8th, enough to make you want Fox to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in an othewise promising performance against the Browns. That makes us 4th.
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RustyTrubisky wrote:some mild interest:

1 Cleveland 0-14
2 NY Giants 2-12
3 Indianapolis 3-11
4 HoustonCLE Cle4-10
5 San Francisco 4-10
6 Chicago 4-10
7 Tampa Bay 4-9
8 Cincinnati 5-9

-49ers on a 3 game win streak, but they close out with the jags and the rams. that's pretty tough.
-colts and houston end the season. if the texans win and we continue to be horrible, we could end up top five and ahead of cleveland's second pick, which could get really interesting if they try and get by not taking a qb first overall.
In that scenario I'd sell it to Buffalo for their 2 first rounders.

Wab's mock draft has McGlinchy, Ridley, and Ferell on the board at the time of Buffalo's two picks. Any two of those three works, but put me down for Ferrell and Ridley.
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PICK TEAM RECORD WIN% GB SOS STREAK
1
Cleveland
0-15 .000 -- .515 Lost 15
2
NY Giants
2-13 .133 2.0 .532 Lost 5
3
Indianapolis
3-12 .200 3.0 .485 Lost 6
4
Tampa Bay
4-11 .267 4.0 .558 Lost 5
5
Houston
CLE Cle 4-10 .286 4.5 .506 Lost 4
6
Denver
5-10 .333 5.0 .485 Lost 1
7
San Francisco
5-10 .333 5.0 .521 Won 4
8
NY Jets
5-10 .333 5.0 .523 Lost 3
9
Chicago
5-10 .333 5.0 .555 Won 1
10
Cincinnati
6-9 .400 6.0 .464 Won 1
11
Miami
6-9 .400 6.0 .544 Lost 2
12
Oakland
6-8 .429 6.5 .506 Lost 2
Fall to 9.
5-12 possible in this final week.
The Vikings have to care about home field vs Philly, right?
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The Bears really should just not show up.
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Moriarty wrote:
PICK TEAM RECORD WIN% GB SOS STREAK
1
Cleveland
0-15 .000 -- .515 Lost 15
2
NY Giants
2-13 .133 2.0 .532 Lost 5
3
Indianapolis
3-12 .200 3.0 .485 Lost 6
4
Tampa Bay
4-11 .267 4.0 .558 Lost 5
5
Houston
CLE Cle 4-10 .286 4.5 .506 Lost 4
6
Denver
5-10 .333 5.0 .485 Lost 1
7
San Francisco
5-10 .333 5.0 .521 Won 4
8
NY Jets
5-10 .333 5.0 .523 Lost 3
9
Chicago
5-10 .333 5.0 .555 Won 1
10
Cincinnati
6-9 .400 6.0 .464 Won 1
11
Miami
6-9 .400 6.0 .544 Lost 2
12
Oakland
6-8 .429 6.5 .506 Lost 2
Fall to 9.
5-12 possible in this final week.
The Vikings have to care about home field vs Philly, right?
Correct, but if Philly win's tonight against Oakland, they will lock up home-field advantage throughout the playoffs.

It would be in our best interest, from a draft perspective, for Oakland to win tonight so Minnesota comes out next week with something to play for to close out the season.
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Moriarty wrote:
PICK TEAM RECORD WIN% GB SOS STREAK
1
Cleveland
0-15 .000 -- .515 Lost 15
2
NY Giants
2-13 .133 2.0 .532 Lost 5
3
Indianapolis
3-12 .200 3.0 .485 Lost 6
4
Tampa Bay
4-11 .267 4.0 .558 Lost 5
5
Houston
CLE Cle 4-10 .286 4.5 .506 Lost 4
6
Denver
5-10 .333 5.0 .485 Lost 1
7
San Francisco
5-10 .333 5.0 .521 Won 4
8
NY Jets
5-10 .333 5.0 .523 Lost 3
9
Chicago
5-10 .333 5.0 .555 Won 1
10
Cincinnati
6-9 .400 6.0 .464 Won 1
11
Miami
6-9 .400 6.0 .544 Lost 2
12
Oakland
6-8 .429 6.5 .506 Lost 2
Fall to 9.
5-12 possible in this final week.
The Vikings have to care about home field vs Philly, right?
That Bengals game is going to bite us in the ass.
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G08 wrote:
Moriarty wrote:
PICK TEAM RECORD WIN% GB SOS STREAK
1
Cleveland
0-15 .000 -- .515 Lost 15
2
NY Giants
2-13 .133 2.0 .532 Lost 5
3
Indianapolis
3-12 .200 3.0 .485 Lost 6
4
Tampa Bay
4-11 .267 4.0 .558 Lost 5
5
Houston
CLE Cle 4-10 .286 4.5 .506 Lost 4
6
Denver
5-10 .333 5.0 .485 Lost 1
7
San Francisco
5-10 .333 5.0 .521 Won 4
8
NY Jets
5-10 .333 5.0 .523 Lost 3
9
Chicago
5-10 .333 5.0 .555 Won 1
10
Cincinnati
6-9 .400 6.0 .464 Won 1
11
Miami
6-9 .400 6.0 .544 Lost 2
12
Oakland
6-8 .429 6.5 .506 Lost 2
Fall to 9.
5-12 possible in this final week.
The Vikings have to care about home field vs Philly, right?
Correct, but if Philly win's tonight against Oakland, they will lock up home-field advantage throughout the playoffs.

It would be in our best interest, from a draft perspective, for Oakland to win tonight so Minnesota comes out next week with something to play for to close out the season.
They still have yet to wrap-up a first round bye.

So, they have a lot to play for.
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I mean, what's the best we can do at this point?

When you start talking about the difference between the 8th or 11th pick.

Yeah, I don't really give a turkey...
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Richie wrote:I mean, what's the best we can do at this point?

When you start talking about the difference between the 8th or 11th pick.
A 3rd round pick, which we currently do not have.
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Richie wrote: They still have yet to wrap-up a first round bye.

So, they have a lot to play for.
Oh man that is awesome to hear, so they'll be playing for something.
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Looks like the lowest we will be picking is 13th, highest is 5th.

Realistically? I think we will be picking 9th when it's all said and done.

OT, OLB, CB looks like the move in round 1... Minkah Fitzpatrick is who I am hoping we can land (assuming our brass believes he can be a top-tier corner)... love the idea of Fuller and him on the outside.

Otherwise, I'd have to heavily lean RT. If we want an offensive minded head coach, we better afford him the opportunity to only protect with 5 and send everyone else out in passing routes.
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G08 wrote:Looks like the lowest we will be picking is 13th, highest is 5th.

Realistically? I think we will be picking 9th when it's all said and done.

OT, OLB, CB looks like the move in round 1... Minkah Fitzpatrick is who I am hoping we can land (assuming our brass believes he can be a top-tier corner)... love the idea of Fuller and him on the outside.

Otherwise, I'd have to heavily lean RT. If we want an offensive minded head coach, we better afford him the opportunity to only protect with 5 and send everyone else out in passing routes.
You can get an RT on day 2 or in FA.
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The big difference will be our ability to trade down to fill multiple holes. From 4th to 9th to both Bills would have been awesome (and the smattering of later round picks to go with it).
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malk wrote:The big difference will be our ability to trade down to fill multiple holes. From 4th to 9th to both Bills would have been awesome (and the smattering of later round picks to go with it).
Absolutely. While I think we can turn this around in one season to a respectable record (because of new coaching, Biscuit in year 2), this is not a team that is only one player away from making sure that happens.

If we get a pick in that 4th to 9th range and can sell it for Buffalo's two first rounders I would take that and run.
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We'll see how it shakes out tomorrow, but looking over the teams, needs, and spots - it looks to me like the Bears are in a really bad place at 9.

If the 8 in front of them include:
all 3-5 top QBs
Barkley
Key & Chubb

then what?

No big trade bait.
No stud edge rusher.
No WR that screams for a top 10 pick.


Trading down with Buffalo sounds like a plan B - except why would they trade up, with the QBs picked clean?
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I have come to love the hand-wringing that comes along with a mid-first round pick. because we arent picking a player who's a consensus top five it's always "NOBODY IS WORTH PICKING THIS HIGH, I'LL BE PISSED IF WE DONT TRADE DOWN."

ALWAYS.

And then we dont trade down, and then everyone on the forum gets to tell us about the incredible draft pick haul they would have gotten if they were GM. It's like clockwork.
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Moriarty wrote:We'll see how it shakes out tomorrow, but looking over the teams, needs, and spots - it looks to me like the Bears are in a really bad place at 9.

If the 8 in front of them include:
all 3-5 top QBs
Barkley
Key & Chubb

then what?

No big trade bait.
No stud edge rusher.
No WR that screams for a top 10 pick.


Trading down with Buffalo sounds like a plan B - except why would they trade up, with the QBs picked clean?
Some of this depends on what scheme we'll have under a new HC.

Keeping in mind that I feel day 1 picks should be BPA; in that scenario (assuming no trade downs) would be Derwin James (I really like him and would love to pair him up with Jackson.).

Then there's Christian Wilkins, Harold Landry, and Tarvarus McFadden.

I personally would lean towards James or McFadden and I don't know which one of those two I'd pick at that time.
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BPA is a bit of a canard. Does that mean some random big board bpa or the 3 year review bpa?
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SF wins!

TB wins, but other teams' results may or may not move us (SoS tiebreaker is very close)
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According to Tankathon, SoS can't change enough to get us past TB, so we're set at 8

PICK TEAM RECORD WIN% GB SOS STREAK
1
Cleveland
0-16 .000 -- .520 Lost 16
2
NY Giants
3-13 .188 3.0 .532 Won 1
3
Indianapolis
4-12 .250 4.0 .480 Won 1
4
Houston
CLE Cle 4-12 .250 4.0 .516 Lost 6
5
Denver
5-11 .313 5.0 .490 Lost 2
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NY Jets
5-11 .313 5.0 .520 Lost 4
7
Tampa Bay
5-11 .313 5.0 .553 Won 1
8
Chicago
5-11 .313 5.0 .559 Lost 1
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Moriarty wrote:According to Tankathon, SoS can't change enough to get us past TB, so we're set at 8

PICK TEAM RECORD WIN% GB SOS STREAK
1
Cleveland
0-16 .000 -- .520 Lost 16
2
NY Giants
3-13 .188 3.0 .532 Won 1
3
Indianapolis
4-12 .250 4.0 .480 Won 1
4
Houston
CLE Cle 4-12 .250 4.0 .516 Lost 6
5
Denver
5-11 .313 5.0 .490 Lost 2
6
NY Jets
5-11 .313 5.0 .520 Lost 4
7
Tampa Bay
5-11 .313 5.0 .553 Won 1
8
Chicago
5-11 .313 5.0 .559 Lost 1
Ugh. That fu***** Bengals game. Those meaningless wins....

Whatever. We're #8. There will be good players available there and if we're lucky a trade opportunity.
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