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EricTighe wrote:That's what I mean what character flaw. Because he checked himself into rehab before even being caught? That actually sounds like a good character to me.
We should just convert Ben Braunecker into an OLB... very similar physically to your boy!cblaz11 wrote:Harold Landry guys...everyone is saying 2nd rd, Id be shocked if he gets out of top 15.
I like DJ Moore a ton, but I don't think we are taking a WR unless some stud is available in round 4.staleystarch wrote:Pre-combine I was for a WR in the first. Now, I want Nelson (G). I am hoping DJ Moore (WR) is still there for the Bears in round 2.
I could live with Davenport, but I’d prefer to trade down to get him. I doubt there’s much of a trade market unless one of the four quarterbacks falls to us though.thunderspirit wrote:QB is off the table.Mikefive wrote:Mostly we share opinions about who the Bears SHOULD draft. But that's NOT the question here, which is to get into the mind of Ryan Pace and state what he actually WILL do.
The holes that Pace patched with multiple year deals in free agency — WR/TE and CB — are out.
That leaves OL (specifically G, but possibly T too) — of whom the only player who fits at the top of the draft is Quenton Nelson — ILB (specifically the spot that was manned effectively by Jerrell Freeman for about a dozen games) — think Patrick Willis or Navorro Bowman-level athletes — and edge rusher (healthy Pernell McPhee version) — who Vic Fangio wants to be long-limbed as well as athletic (which means no Harold Landry).
If Chubb is available at #8 (he shouldn't be), he is the choice.
If Chubb is gone but Nelson is available (he shouldn't be either), he is the choice.
If both are gone, I think the Bears would prefer to land their Patrick Willis. Athletically that's Tremaine Edmunds; instinct-wise it's Roquan Smith. Since they can't fuse the two, I think it's neither. I think they take Marcus Davenport and hope he's their version of Aldon Smith (on-field only).
dplank wrote:I agree with Rich here
RichH55 wrote: Dplank is correct
Thinking similar..unless trades and order moves our options..G08 wrote:I like DJ Moore a ton, but I don't think we are taking a WR unless some stud is available in round 4.staleystarch wrote:Pre-combine I was for a WR in the first. Now, I want Nelson (G). I am hoping DJ Moore (WR) is still there for the Bears in round 2.
Gun to my head, our first 4 picks will be some combination of:
OLB/EDGE (pass rusher)
OG
Swing Tackle
ILB
If Nelson is on the board they will draft him. Its going to seriously piss me off though. Yeah OK fine he's the best guard prospect in the history of the game or whatever. I hear crap like that every year about some prospect. You can get good OLs further into the draft. They have his coach from Notre Dame and I think that's a contributing factor here. The new HC also has a background in offense.Mikefive wrote:Mostly we share opinions about who the Bears SHOULD draft. But that's NOT the question here, which is to get into the mind of Ryan Pace and state what he actually WILL do.
Let's play this like a wager--even though it isn't. Every participant has an imaginary $100 wagered on the outcome, the total of which will be divided up by all correct guessers. Note that making a less popular choice can result in a much bigger bounty.
Make your guess and argue why you think that's who Pace will take. And as always, you can change your answer up until the draft begins.
And just so you know, if you argue in this thread who Pace SHOULD select, then you will deservedly be publicly flogged for not following directions. Besides, there are other places to discuss that.
These two statements are contradictory, if not plain ol' confusing.The Marshall Plan wrote:
If Nelson is on the board they will draft him. Its going to seriously piss me off though. Yeah OK fine he's the best guard prospect in the history of the game or whatever. I hear crap like that every year about some prospect. You can get good OLs further into the draft. They have his coach from Notre Dame and I think that's a contributing factor here. The new HC also has a background in offense.
Sitton got cut. Long is overrated and perpetually injured. Our interior OL could be a disaster. We have a potential franchise QB in year 2 with a new host of weapons. What's the point of having those WRs if he's under pressure constantly?
I'm not seeing the contradiction. What am I missing?wab wrote:These two statements are contradictory, if not plain ol' confusing.The Marshall Plan wrote:
If Nelson is on the board they will draft him. Its going to seriously piss me off though. Yeah OK fine he's the best guard prospect in the history of the game or whatever. I hear crap like that every year about some prospect. You can get good OLs further into the draft. They have his coach from Notre Dame and I think that's a contributing factor here. The new HC also has a background in offense.
Sitton got cut. Long is overrated and perpetually injured. Our interior OL could be a disaster. We have a potential franchise QB in year 2 with a new host of weapons. What's the point of having those WRs if he's under pressure constantly?
He says it will piss him off if Nelson is the pick but then goes on to say that the interior of the OL is a disaster.Mikefive wrote:I'm not seeing the contradiction. What am I missing?wab wrote:These two statements are contradictory, if not plain ol' confusing.The Marshall Plan wrote:
If Nelson is on the board they will draft him. Its going to seriously piss me off though. Yeah OK fine he's the best guard prospect in the history of the game or whatever. I hear crap like that every year about some prospect. You can get good OLs further into the draft. They have his coach from Notre Dame and I think that's a contributing factor here. The new HC also has a background in offense.
Sitton got cut. Long is overrated and perpetually injured. Our interior OL could be a disaster. We have a potential franchise QB in year 2 with a new host of weapons. What's the point of having those WRs if he's under pressure constantly?
Ahhh. That makes sense. He just wants the fix to come later.wab wrote:He says it will piss him off if Nelson is the pick but then goes on to say that the interior of the OL is a disaster.Mikefive wrote:I'm not seeing the contradiction. What am I missing?wab wrote:These two statements are contradictory, if not plain ol' confusing.The Marshall Plan wrote:
If Nelson is on the board they will draft him. Its going to seriously piss me off though. Yeah OK fine he's the best guard prospect in the history of the game or whatever. I hear crap like that every year about some prospect. You can get good OLs further into the draft. They have his coach from Notre Dame and I think that's a contributing factor here. The new HC also has a background in offense.
Sitton got cut. Long is overrated and perpetually injured. Our interior OL could be a disaster. We have a potential franchise QB in year 2 with a new host of weapons. What's the point of having those WRs if he's under pressure constantly?
You beautifully elaborated on exactly what I was trying to say here in my discussion of Nelson. Thank you!G08 wrote:I just don't get it, man. I don't care that someone like Greg Gabriel says that Nelson is the best/most polished guard he has ever seen in the past 37 years. He's a guard -- a fucking guard.
Look at these names of interior offensive linemen that could be there for us at pick #39:
James Daniels
Isaiah Wynn
Billy Price
Austin Corbett
Braden Smith
Frank Ragnow
I find it hard to believe that our O-line guru can't coach up one of these kids to be a solid NFL starter. Pro Bowl OGs don't win you games. Hall of Fame OGs don't win you games.
I look at these 2nd tier pass rushers and I want to puke:
Arden Key - injury history, character concerns depending upon who you ask, opiate addiction in past
Sam Hubbard - he's the white version of Sam Acho
Lorenzo Carter - weak
Josh Sweat - I like him but does he have clean medicals?
Dorance Armstrong - intriguing, I just wish he had more juice to his game (looks lethargic on "tape" to me)
We need a homerun at pick #8 and if you can pair Leonard Floyd with another pass rusher that keeps OCs up at night, it would greatly help our defense go from top 10 to top 5 IMO.
G08 wrote:I just don't get it, man. I don't care that someone like Greg Gabriel says that Nelson is the best/most polished guard he has ever seen in the past 37 years. He's a guard -- a fucking guard.
Look at these names of interior offensive linemen that could be there for us at pick #39:
James Daniels
Isaiah Wynn
Billy Price
Austin Corbett
Braden Smith
Frank Ragnow
I find it hard to believe that our O-line guru can't coach up one of these kids to be a solid NFL starter. Pro Bowl OGs don't win you games. Hall of Fame OGs don't win you games.
I look at these 2nd tier pass rushers and I want to puke:
Arden Key - injury history, character concerns depending upon who you ask, opiate addiction in past
Sam Hubbard - he's the white version of Sam Acho
Lorenzo Carter - weak
Josh Sweat - I like him but does he have clean medicals?
Dorance Armstrong - intriguing, I just wish he had more juice to his game (looks lethargic on "tape" to me)
We need a homerun at pick #8 and if you can pair Leonard Floyd with another pass rusher that keeps OCs up at night, it would greatly help our defense go from top 10 to top 5 IMO.
Yep. Go ahead and draft OL in rounds 2,4, or 5. There's no need to do so at #8 overall.Mikefive wrote:Ahhh. That makes sense. He just wants the fix to come later.wab wrote:He says it will piss him off if Nelson is the pick but then goes on to say that the interior of the OL is a disaster.Mikefive wrote:I'm not seeing the contradiction. What am I missing?wab wrote:These two statements are contradictory, if not plain ol' confusing.The Marshall Plan wrote:
If Nelson is on the board they will draft him. Its going to seriously piss me off though. Yeah OK fine he's the best guard prospect in the history of the game or whatever. I hear crap like that every year about some prospect. You can get good OLs further into the draft. They have his coach from Notre Dame and I think that's a contributing factor here. The new HC also has a background in offense.
Sitton got cut. Long is overrated and perpetually injured. Our interior OL could be a disaster. We have a potential franchise QB in year 2 with a new host of weapons. What's the point of having those WRs if he's under pressure constantly?
Out of curiosity, do you think any of the Edge rushers are worthy of being picked at 8? I really don't. Edmunds is worthy of #8 to me, but at ILB. No one knows if he will be an effective edge rusher as he has not done it. Davenport I think may turn into something and gives a little power to Floyd's finesse, but is he worthy of 8? If the Bears are dead set on getting an edge in round 1, their top priority should be trying to trade down.G08 wrote:We need a homerun at pick #8 and if you can pair Leonard Floyd with another pass rusher that keeps OCs up at night, it would greatly help our defense go from top 10 to top 5 IMO.
That's what I'm struggling with, man. I don't think Davenport is a top 8 player in this draft, but I also don't believe in drafting OGs in the top 10. Roquan Smith, Tremaine Edmunds, Minkah Fitzpatrick, Derwin James are all solid players, Denzel Ward too, but we don't need any of them right now.Z Bear wrote:Out of curiosity, do you think any of the Edge rushers are worthy of being picked at 8? I really don't. Edmunds is worthy of #8 to me, but at ILB. No one knows if we will be an effective edge rusher as he has not done it. Davenport I think may turn into something and gives a little power to Floyd's finesse, but is he worthy of 8? If the Bears are dead set on getting an edge in round 1, their top priority should be trying to trade down.G08 wrote:We need a homerun at pick #8 and if you can pair Leonard Floyd with another pass rusher that keeps OCs up at night, it would greatly help our defense go from top 10 to top 5 IMO.
