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WagonForce wrote:Kiper has the Bears drafting WR Calvin Ridley at #8 in his first 2018 mock draft.

He has G Quenton Nelson going at #7.

I'd love to get Trubisky some additional weapons and think it could have a huge ripple effect on the whole offense, but I would be pretty disappointed with a WR in the first, barring a trade down scenario.
He also had Josh Allen going #1. Kiper is a drama queen looking to stir the pot.

If the draft fell that way I'd take Harold Landry or Josh Jackson.
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Courtland Sutton , WR , SUM

- Sutton is one of those guys who has really good traits, and can do a lot of things really well. However at this point he doesn't have an elite skill you can point to. He is faster then quick and has plenty of each. He is long taller has a NFL build. He runs good routes, that have improved over last year. He uses his body to shield. He doesn't have natural hands. He double clutches but gets the job done. Physically, skill wise, athletically, technically he is very good. He reminds me of a tad more athletic T.J. Houshmenzada (sp?). I think he can be a number 1 WR, but would benefit from having others around him.

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Anthony Miller

- So some web sites have him as a first rounder which I disagree with. His height and frame are negatives. He ruins like his hair is on fire. Has good hands. Makes amazing cuts. Super quick but top end might not be great. Very emotional player. Former walk on with great work ethic

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:| Equanimeous St. Brown

- I ended up watching way to many Notre Dame games. In my opinion ESB is one of those better NFL players then College player. He has every skill/ability you want. Yet in college he didn't produce. For a number of reasons. Tall long good hands rings good routes long strider whom is fast etc.

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I really like Tate from FSU..Big body guy who has a little shiftyness to him. Big hands and uses them, I love how he keeps the ball away from his body.

For the record, I love Ridley, but I'll vomit if we take a WR at 8.
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Hematite wrote:I'm riding with DaSuperfan on this one. Do not draft a WR in round 1.
I believe that there will be A LOT of value for WR in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. I wouldn't draft one in the first round. I would take an OL in the first round and look for a WR in the next two. I would rather take a slightly more raw WR and coach him up to our scheme, than take a receiver in round one.
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Yes the value of this WR class is the second and third rounds.
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mmmc_35 wrote:Yes the value of this WR class is the second and third rounds.
2nd round is my favorite round of the draft :D

Some names for rounds 2-4, in no particular order:

Christian Kirk
James Washington
Michael Gallup
Anthony Miller
DJ Moore
Deon C ain
DJ Chark
Keke Coutee (love that name)
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mmmc_35 wrote::| Equanimeous St. Brown

- I ended up watching way to many Notre Dame games. In my opinion ESB is one of those better NFL players then College player. He has every skill/ability you want. Yet in college he didn't produce. For a number of reasons. Tall long good hands rings good routes long strider whom is fast etc.
Last couple weeks he's been free-falling down boards like he raped a nun. I'm really at a loss to explain it.
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Deon Cain

Adequate size. Quick and deceptively fast. Home run threat every time he touches the ball. In consistent hands and runs like 3 routes. Not a favorite of mine but there are guys with much less ability whomproduce in the league.

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Well he could be the best WR in this class. However why would you draft him? If you did draft him, I would handcuff a lawyer and Nunn to him every time he steps off the field.

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Production analysis of Combine-invited receivers.

This data will lead me to look in more depth at Anthony Miller (Memphis) and Trey Quinn (SMU).

Like all measurement stuff: it's another tool.
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Evaluating just the R2-R3 guys...
Kirk looks like the fastest guy on the field at all times, but a stiff breeze takes him down. If he can't beat a jam or win contested balls, I think that limits him severely. Miller looks a little slower and a little tougher, but I wonder if that tradeoff is worth it. Maybe he's not fast enough or tough enough? I agree with mmc_35 that Washington is interesting, and I enjoyed watching his tape. He's a fighter out there with some open-field quickness himself. He's the only one of the three that uses his body to box out defenders while the ball is in the air.

The top guys look like luxury picks to me, though I haven't watched too much tape. None looked like a game-changer, but rather a solid starter that would help a team that is already good in other aspects.
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don't want a wide receiver in the 1st round. bad experiences with those guys.

i'd like to see the bears grab Simmie Cobbs from indiana in the 2nd or 3rd round. 6'4". 220lbs. 4.55.

that'll work for me.
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MrPrettyBoyFancyLad wrote:don't want a wide receiver in the 1st round. bad experiences with those guys.

i'd like to see the bears grab Simmie Cobbs from indiana in the 2nd or 3rd round. 6'4". 220lbs. 4.55.

that'll work for me.
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MrPrettyBoyFancyLad wrote:don't want a wide receiver in the 1st round. bad experiences with those guys.
do we have good experiences with wr's from any round?
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I’m kinda on a Cedrick Wilson kick lately.
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crueltyabc wrote:I agree with mmc_35 that Washington is interesting, and I enjoyed watching his tape. He's a fighter out there with some open-field quickness himself. He's the only one of the three that uses his body to box out defenders while the ball is in the air..
Yeah he has a unique style and I think it could be used very effectively here as he learns to come in and out of breaks to run a full tree. Almost all of these WR will be second third round grades.

Others like Clark, Coutree, Gallup etc are intriguing. One kid later I like is Korey Robinson. I will pay some links here shortly.
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Korey Robertson, WR, Southern Miss

- fighter is the word that comes to mind watching Robertson. He fights for extra years willing to go into traffic. He is fast and looks like he should be good in breaks. Once he puts his for into the ground he is off. Not shy to make contact. Really good balance. Double clutches done passes but hands seem good. I really like him as a prospect.
Korey Robertson was a surprise early entry into the 2018 draft class, but his athleticism, production and size stand out. At 6'1" and 210 pounds, he's expected to run in the low 4.4 range and has shown the physicality to fight for jump balls. Robertson posted 76 catches for 1,106 yards and 12 touchdowns this year. I currently have a third-round grade on him.
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RustyTrubisky wrote:
MrPrettyBoyFancyLad wrote:don't want a wide receiver in the 1st round. bad experiences with those guys.
do we have good experiences with wr's from any round?
lol! good point!

the only benefit of taking a lame-ass receiver outside of the first round is they don't cost us an arm and a leg. who's the best receiver we drafted? Marty Booker? Curtis Conway? Bobby Engram? Edgar Bennett? fuck, that's depressing.
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mmmc_35 wrote:Korey Robertson, WR, Southern Miss

- fighter is the word that comes to mind watching Robertson. He fights for extra years willing to go into traffic. He is fast and looks like he should be good in breaks. Once he puts his for into the ground he is off. Not shy to make contact. Really good balance. Double clutches done passes but hands seem good. I really like him as a prospect.
Korey Robertson was a surprise early entry into the 2018 draft class, but his athleticism, production and size stand out. At 6'1" and 210 pounds, he's expected to run in the low 4.4 range and has shown the physicality to fight for jump balls. Robertson posted 76 catches for 1,106 yards and 12 touchdowns this year. I currently have a third-round grade on him.
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Yeah, I like this kid.

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That article makes me like him more.
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He was my sleeper :angry:
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mmmc_35 wrote:Korey Robertson, WR, Southern Miss

- fighter is the word that comes to mind watching Robertson. He fights for extra years willing to go into traffic. He is fast and looks like he should be good in breaks. Once he puts his for into the ground he is off. Not shy to make contact. Really good balance. Double clutches done passes but hands seem good. I really like him as a prospect.
Korey Robertson was a surprise early entry into the 2018 draft class, but his athleticism, production and size stand out. At 6'1" and 210 pounds, he's expected to run in the low 4.4 range and has shown the physicality to fight for jump balls. Robertson posted 76 catches for 1,106 yards and 12 touchdowns this year. I currently have a third-round grade on him.
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mmmc_35 wrote:Korey Robertson, WR, Southern Miss

- fighter is the word that comes to mind watching Robertson. He fights for extra years willing to go into traffic. He is fast and looks like he should be good in breaks. Once he puts his for into the ground he is off. Not shy to make contact. Really good balance. Double clutches done passes but hands seem good. I really like him as a prospect.
Korey Robertson was a surprise early entry into the 2018 draft class, but his athleticism, production and size stand out. At 6'1" and 210 pounds, he's expected to run in the low 4.4 range and has shown the physicality to fight for jump balls. Robertson posted 76 catches for 1,106 yards and 12 touchdowns this year. I currently have a third-round grade on him.
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Anybody watch tape on DJ Moore? Damn impressive.
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Adipost wrote:Anybody watch tape on DJ Moore? Damn impressive.
Wish he was bigger but love him in round 2.
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Adipost wrote:Anybody watch tape on DJ Moore? Damn impressive.
I will tonight. What's your opinion other than impressive.
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mmmc_35 wrote:
Adipost wrote:Anybody watch tape on DJ Moore? Damn impressive.
I will tonight. What's your opinion other than impressive.
I'm not Adi, but Moore's style has drawn comparisons to Doug Baldwin and Golden Tate. (I've also seen Stefon Diggs as a comp, which seems lazy -- Diggs is much more slight than Moore.) He's got size limitations, but speed and quickness to spare.

Moore is an enticing prospect with return and run-after-catch ability and the kind of football character coaches adore. The Bears would likely have to invest their second-rounder to land him.
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This post has some very good data compiled for receiver traits in which Nagy will likely be interested. He's focused mostly on the Combine data, which frankly has sold Kendall Wright short on his speed; factor in his pro day numbers, even adjusted .04 on the 40 time to compensate for hand-timed measurements, and he comfortably hits the thresholds the author posits. I've warmed to the idea of bringing Wright back if it's not too expensive. (FWIW, I'm also with him on axing Markus Wheaton — don't let the door hit ya where Mother Nature split ya.)

I chose to make 2014 my cut-off point, which removed Jeremy Maclin and Da'Ron Brown from the data set, and then plugged the numbers into agility and twitch formulae I calculate every draft year to look for additional trends. Along with the thresholds given for 40-time (4.51s), vertical jump (35.5 inches) and broad jump (10.0 ft), a 3-cone time of 7.00s or under appears to be important. The sole exception to that time was Chris Conley, whose 4.35 speed on a 6-2, 215 lb frame appears to have largely made up for his lack of quickness changing direction.

Cam Meredith, Kevin White (yeah, yeah, I know), Josh Bellamy, and Kendall Wright all meet or exceed each of the four data points; Dontrelle Inman falls short on both the jumps.
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