I don't want a WR in round 1. Like at all. This offense is all about quickness (not pure speed). Running good routes, getting in and out of breaks quickly, reading the QB and adjusting routes accordingly.
That's not Washington. Ridley is one of the better route runners in the draft, but he's slight and not overly quick. Miller and Kirk are probably the best overall fits for what the Bears will be looking for.
And I honestly think that there are guys on the roster that fit better in Nagy's offense (at least what KC did) than they fit in Fox/Loggains' offense. Wheaton is one of them, so is Meredith. Wright also fits. Inman not so much. Surprisingly, Bellamay translates pretty well.
With the exception of the Terrell Owens mess, Reid's offenses have never really featured a true #1 so it'll be interesting to see how it all shakes out.
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We can argue scheme and fit all day long, but the honest truth is that we don't know what Nagy's scheme really is. Oh we CAN be sure of certain elements that we will see. But maybe Reid/Nagy have had to do with less, not that they had a great scheme and needed certain players to fit it.wab wrote:I don't want a WR in round 1. Like at all. This offense is all about quickness (not pure speed). Running good routes, getting in and out of breaks quickly, reading the QB and adjusting routes accordingly.
That's not Washington. Ridley is one of the better route runners in the draft, but he's slight and not overly quick. Miller and Kirk are probably the best overall fits for what the Bears will be looking for.
And I honestly think that there are guys on the roster that fit better in Nagy's offense (at least what KC did) than they fit in Fox/Loggains' offense. Wheaton is one of them, so is Meredith. Wright also fits. Inman not so much. Surprisingly, Bellamay translates pretty well.
With the exception of the Terrell Owens mess, Reid's offenses have never really featured a true #1 so it'll be interesting to see how it all shakes out.
To me that is the exact opposite reason why we were all excited for Nagy's hire...not that he is bringing a good scheme, but that he will tailor the offense to the talent we have...starting with Trubisky.
KC's offense realistically featured Travis Kelce. Kelce is very good at TE, but he's not the fastest guy or the best route runner. So, I'm sure that Nagy can scheme a bigger WR who can run better than average routes and win battles at the point of attack.
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Regardless, Courtland Sutton isn't worth the #8 pick in this draft.
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I agree.wab wrote:Regardless, Courtland Sutton isn't worth the #8 pick in this draft.
Neither was Kevin White worth a top 10 pick.
But if Pace feels he nailed FA and addresses every pressing need, WR is a luxury pick to give to a young OC and QB and Sutton IMO is the best option.
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This is such a weirdly absurd conclusion to jump to, but i've seen it before. If an offense has success without a clearly defined #1 receiver, some people are quick to say "well, his offense doesnt require a true #1" as if they actually prefer not having a dominant receiver.
When Kelce went down (their de facto #1) and they could do nothing for the entire second half, I'm pretty sure Nagy wasnt glad he was left without a go-to wr.
When Kelce went down (their de facto #1) and they could do nothing for the entire second half, I'm pretty sure Nagy wasnt glad he was left without a go-to wr.
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It depends on Washington. If he shows ability to learn routes, and can clean up his breaks, he fits the KC style very well.wab wrote: That's not Washington. Ridley is one of the better route runners in the draft, but he's slight and not overly quick. Miller and Kirk are probably the best overall fits for what the Bears will be looking for.
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- fast, quick, elusive. Kirk can be your kick returner and slot WR. He makes everyone around him look slow. The routes he does run are crisp. I worry that he body catches most passes. However on out routes he does snag the ball away from him. That's a good sign as tracking the ball over your shoulder and catching it away from you is tough.
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Kiper has the Bears drafting WR Calvin Ridley at #8 in his first 2018 mock draft.
He has G Quenton Nelson going at #7.
I'd love to get Trubisky some additional weapons and think it could have a huge ripple effect on the whole offense, but I would be pretty disappointed with a WR in the first, barring a trade down scenario.
He has G Quenton Nelson going at #7.
I'd love to get Trubisky some additional weapons and think it could have a huge ripple effect on the whole offense, but I would be pretty disappointed with a WR in the first, barring a trade down scenario.
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I'll be stunned if we take a WR at pick #8.WagonForce wrote:Kiper has the Bears drafting WR Calvin Ridley at #8 in his first 2018 mock draft.
He has G Quenton Nelson going at #7.
I'd love to get Trubisky some additional weapons and think it could have a huge ripple effect on the whole offense, but I would be pretty disappointed with a WR in the first, barring a trade down scenario.
After a trade down? Sure. But at 8? I see a pass rusher, corner, or OT there.
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So far from what I have watched and read, they're are several really interesting WR's but none of them are top 10 guys. Several 15-30 talents though. I would expect a good talent there in the second.
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He also had Josh Allen going #1. Kiper is a drama queen looking to stir the pot.WagonForce wrote:Kiper has the Bears drafting WR Calvin Ridley at #8 in his first 2018 mock draft.
He has G Quenton Nelson going at #7.
I'd love to get Trubisky some additional weapons and think it could have a huge ripple effect on the whole offense, but I would be pretty disappointed with a WR in the first, barring a trade down scenario.
If the draft fell that way I'd take Harold Landry or Josh Jackson.
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- Sutton is one of those guys who has really good traits, and can do a lot of things really well. However at this point he doesn't have an elite skill you can point to. He is faster then quick and has plenty of each. He is long taller has a NFL build. He runs good routes, that have improved over last year. He uses his body to shield. He doesn't have natural hands. He double clutches but gets the job done. Physically, skill wise, athletically, technically he is very good. He reminds me of a tad more athletic T.J. Houshmenzada (sp?). I think he can be a number 1 WR, but would benefit from having others around him.
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- Sutton is one of those guys who has really good traits, and can do a lot of things really well. However at this point he doesn't have an elite skill you can point to. He is faster then quick and has plenty of each. He is long taller has a NFL build. He runs good routes, that have improved over last year. He uses his body to shield. He doesn't have natural hands. He double clutches but gets the job done. Physically, skill wise, athletically, technically he is very good. He reminds me of a tad more athletic T.J. Houshmenzada (sp?). I think he can be a number 1 WR, but would benefit from having others around him.
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- So some web sites have him as a first rounder which I disagree with. His height and frame are negatives. He ruins like his hair is on fire. Has good hands. Makes amazing cuts. Super quick but top end might not be great. Very emotional player. Former walk on with great work ethic
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I really like Tate from FSU..Big body guy who has a little shiftyness to him. Big hands and uses them, I love how he keeps the ball away from his body.
For the record, I love Ridley, but I'll vomit if we take a WR at 8.
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I believe that there will be A LOT of value for WR in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. I wouldn't draft one in the first round. I would take an OL in the first round and look for a WR in the next two. I would rather take a slightly more raw WR and coach him up to our scheme, than take a receiver in round one.Hematite wrote:I'm riding with DaSuperfan on this one. Do not draft a WR in round 1.
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2nd round is my favorite round of the draftmmmc_35 wrote:Yes the value of this WR class is the second and third rounds.
Some names for rounds 2-4, in no particular order:
Christian Kirk
James Washington
Michael Gallup
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Last couple weeks he's been free-falling down boards like he raped a nun. I'm really at a loss to explain it.mmmc_35 wrote: Equanimeous St. Brown
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Deon Cain
Adequate size. Quick and deceptively fast. Home run threat every time he touches the ball. In consistent hands and runs like 3 routes. Not a favorite of mine but there are guys with much less ability whomproduce in the league.
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Well he could be the best WR in this class. However why would you draft him? If you did draft him, I would handcuff a lawyer and Nunn to him every time he steps off the field.
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Production analysis of Combine-invited receivers.
This data will lead me to look in more depth at Anthony Miller (Memphis) and Trey Quinn (SMU).
Like all measurement stuff: it's another tool.
This data will lead me to look in more depth at Anthony Miller (Memphis) and Trey Quinn (SMU).
Like all measurement stuff: it's another tool.
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RichH55 wrote: Dplank is correct
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Evaluating just the R2-R3 guys...
Kirk looks like the fastest guy on the field at all times, but a stiff breeze takes him down. If he can't beat a jam or win contested balls, I think that limits him severely. Miller looks a little slower and a little tougher, but I wonder if that tradeoff is worth it. Maybe he's not fast enough or tough enough? I agree with mmc_35 that Washington is interesting, and I enjoyed watching his tape. He's a fighter out there with some open-field quickness himself. He's the only one of the three that uses his body to box out defenders while the ball is in the air.
The top guys look like luxury picks to me, though I haven't watched too much tape. None looked like a game-changer, but rather a solid starter that would help a team that is already good in other aspects.
Kirk looks like the fastest guy on the field at all times, but a stiff breeze takes him down. If he can't beat a jam or win contested balls, I think that limits him severely. Miller looks a little slower and a little tougher, but I wonder if that tradeoff is worth it. Maybe he's not fast enough or tough enough? I agree with mmc_35 that Washington is interesting, and I enjoyed watching his tape. He's a fighter out there with some open-field quickness himself. He's the only one of the three that uses his body to box out defenders while the ball is in the air.
The top guys look like luxury picks to me, though I haven't watched too much tape. None looked like a game-changer, but rather a solid starter that would help a team that is already good in other aspects.
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don't want a wide receiver in the 1st round. bad experiences with those guys.
i'd like to see the bears grab Simmie Cobbs from indiana in the 2nd or 3rd round. 6'4". 220lbs. 4.55.
that'll work for me.
i'd like to see the bears grab Simmie Cobbs from indiana in the 2nd or 3rd round. 6'4". 220lbs. 4.55.
that'll work for me.
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We don't have a 3rdMrPrettyBoyFancyLad wrote:don't want a wide receiver in the 1st round. bad experiences with those guys.
i'd like to see the bears grab Simmie Cobbs from indiana in the 2nd or 3rd round. 6'4". 220lbs. 4.55.
that'll work for me.
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do we have good experiences with wr's from any round?MrPrettyBoyFancyLad wrote:don't want a wide receiver in the 1st round. bad experiences with those guys.
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Yeah he has a unique style and I think it could be used very effectively here as he learns to come in and out of breaks to run a full tree. Almost all of these WR will be second third round grades.crueltyabc wrote:I agree with mmc_35 that Washington is interesting, and I enjoyed watching his tape. He's a fighter out there with some open-field quickness himself. He's the only one of the three that uses his body to box out defenders while the ball is in the air..
Others like Clark, Coutree, Gallup etc are intriguing. One kid later I like is Korey Robinson. I will pay some links here shortly.
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Korey Robertson, WR, Southern Miss
- fighter is the word that comes to mind watching Robertson. He fights for extra years willing to go into traffic. He is fast and looks like he should be good in breaks. Once he puts his for into the ground he is off. Not shy to make contact. Really good balance. Double clutches done passes but hands seem good. I really like him as a prospect.
- fighter is the word that comes to mind watching Robertson. He fights for extra years willing to go into traffic. He is fast and looks like he should be good in breaks. Once he puts his for into the ground he is off. Not shy to make contact. Really good balance. Double clutches done passes but hands seem good. I really like him as a prospect.
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lol! good point!RustyTrubisky wrote:do we have good experiences with wr's from any round?MrPrettyBoyFancyLad wrote:don't want a wide receiver in the 1st round. bad experiences with those guys.
the only benefit of taking a lame-ass receiver outside of the first round is they don't cost us an arm and a leg. who's the best receiver we drafted? Marty Booker? Curtis Conway? Bobby Engram? Edgar Bennett? fuck, that's depressing.