BFO Scouting WR

mmmc_35 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:58 am

ANTONIO CALLAWAY

Well he could be the best WR in this class. However why would you draft him? If you did draft him, I would handcuff a lawyer and Nunn to him every time he steps off the field.

Highlights

thunderspirit · Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:21 am

Production analysis of Combine-invited receivers.

This data will lead me to look in more depth at Anthony Miller (Memphis) and Trey Quinn (SMU).

Like all measurement stuff: it's another tool.

crueltyabc · Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:12 pm

Evaluating just the R2-R3 guys...
Kirk looks like the fastest guy on the field at all times, but a stiff breeze takes him down. If he can't beat a jam or win contested balls, I think that limits him severely. Miller looks a little slower and a little tougher, but I wonder if that tradeoff is worth it. Maybe he's not fast enough or tough enough? I agree with mmc_35 that Washington is interesting, and I enjoyed watching his tape. He's a fighter out there with some open-field quickness himself. He's the only one of the three that uses his body to box out defenders while the ball is in the air.

The top guys look like luxury picks to me, though I haven't watched too much tape. None looked like a game-changer, but rather a solid starter that would help a team that is already good in other aspects.

MrPrettyBoyFancyLad · Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:21 pm

don't want a wide receiver in the 1st round. bad experiences with those guys.

i'd like to see the bears grab Simmie Cobbs from indiana in the 2nd or 3rd round. 6'4". 220lbs. 4.55.

that'll work for me.

bearsfaninaz · Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:43 pm

MrPrettyBoyFancyLad wrote:don't want a wide receiver in the 1st round. bad experiences with those guys.

i'd like to see the bears grab Simmie Cobbs from indiana in the 2nd or 3rd round. 6'4". 220lbs. 4.55.

that'll work for me.

We don't have a 3rd

Rusty Trombagent · Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:44 pm

MrPrettyBoyFancyLad wrote:don't want a wide receiver in the 1st round. bad experiences with those guys.

do we have good experiences with wr's from any round?

Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:48 pm

I’m kinda on a Cedrick Wilson kick lately.

mmmc_35 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:01 pm

crueltyabc wrote:I agree with mmc_35 that Washington is interesting, and I enjoyed watching his tape. He's a fighter out there with some open-field quickness himself. He's the only one of the three that uses his body to box out defenders while the ball is in the air..

Yeah he has a unique style and I think it could be used very effectively here as he learns to come in and out of breaks to run a full tree. Almost all of these WR will be second third round grades.

Others like Clark, Coutree, Gallup etc are intriguing. One kid later I like is Korey Robinson. I will pay some links here shortly.

mmmc_35 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:21 pm

Korey Robertson, WR, Southern Miss

- fighter is the word that comes to mind watching Robertson. He fights for extra years willing to go into traffic. He is fast and looks like he should be good in breaks. Once he puts his for into the ground he is off. Not shy to make contact. Really good balance. Double clutches done passes but hands seem good. I really like him as a prospect.

Korey Robertson was a surprise early entry into the 2018 draft class, but his athleticism, production and size stand out. At 6'1" and 210 pounds, he's expected to run in the low 4.4 range and has shown the physicality to fight for jump balls. Robertson posted 76 catches for 1,106 yards and 12 touchdowns this year. I currently have a third-round grade on him.

Complete 2017 Korey Robertson

MrPrettyBoyFancyLad · Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:51 pm

RustyTrubisky wrote:
MrPrettyBoyFancyLad wrote:don't want a wide receiver in the 1st round. bad experiences with those guys.

do we have good experiences with wr's from any round?

lol! good point!

the only benefit of taking a lame-ass receiver outside of the first round is they don't cost us an arm and a leg. who's the best receiver we drafted? Marty Booker? Curtis Conway? Bobby Engram? Edgar Bennett? fuck, that's depressing.

Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:06 am

mmmc_35 wrote:Korey Robertson, WR, Southern Miss

- fighter is the word that comes to mind watching Robertson. He fights for extra years willing to go into traffic. He is fast and looks like he should be good in breaks. Once he puts his for into the ground he is off. Not shy to make contact. Really good balance. Double clutches done passes but hands seem good. I really like him as a prospect.

Korey Robertson was a surprise early entry into the 2018 draft class, but his athleticism, production and size stand out. At 6'1" and 210 pounds, he's expected to run in the low 4.4 range and has shown the physicality to fight for jump balls. Robertson posted 76 catches for 1,106 yards and 12 touchdowns this year. I currently have a third-round grade on him.
Complete 2017 Korey Robertson

Yeah, I like this kid.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/draftwire. ... eiver/amp/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

mmmc_35 · Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:12 am

That article makes me like him more.

G08 · Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:41 am

He was my sleeper

thunderspirit · Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:36 am

mmmc_35 wrote:Korey Robertson, WR, Southern Miss

- fighter is the word that comes to mind watching Robertson. He fights for extra years willing to go into traffic. He is fast and looks like he should be good in breaks. Once he puts his for into the ground he is off. Not shy to make contact. Really good balance. Double clutches done passes but hands seem good. I really like him as a prospect.

Korey Robertson was a surprise early entry into the 2018 draft class, but his athleticism, production and size stand out. At 6'1" and 210 pounds, he's expected to run in the low 4.4 range and has shown the physicality to fight for jump balls. Robertson posted 76 catches for 1,106 yards and 12 touchdowns this year. I currently have a third-round grade on him.
Complete 2017 Korey Robertson

Welcome aboard the wagon. I'll make room for ya.

MrPrettyBoyFancyLad · Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:37 pm

thunderspirit wrote:
mmmc_35 wrote:Korey Robertson, WR, Southern Miss

- fighter is the word that comes to mind watching Robertson. He fights for extra years willing to go into traffic. He is fast and looks like he should be good in breaks. Once he puts his for into the ground he is off. Not shy to make contact. Really good balance. Double clutches done passes but hands seem good. I really like him as a prospect.

Korey Robertson was a surprise early entry into the 2018 draft class, but his athleticism, production and size stand out. At 6'1" and 210 pounds, he's expected to run in the low 4.4 range and has shown the physicality to fight for jump balls. Robertson posted 76 catches for 1,106 yards and 12 touchdowns this year. I currently have a third-round grade on him.
Complete 2017 Korey Robertson
Welcome aboard the wagon. I'll make room for ya.

move over, i'm jumping in. lol!!!

Adipost · Sat Feb 17, 2018 3:49 pm

Anybody watch tape on DJ Moore? Damn impressive.

G08 · Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:45 pm

Adipost wrote:Anybody watch tape on DJ Moore? Damn impressive.

Wish he was bigger but love him in round 2.

mmmc_35 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:02 am

Adipost wrote:Anybody watch tape on DJ Moore? Damn impressive.

I will tonight. What's your opinion other than impressive.

thunderspirit · Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:07 pm

mmmc_35 wrote:
Adipost wrote:Anybody watch tape on DJ Moore? Damn impressive.
I will tonight. What's your opinion other than impressive.

I'm not Adi, but Moore's style has drawn comparisons to Doug Baldwin and Golden Tate. (I've also seen Stefon Diggs as a comp, which seems lazy -- Diggs is much more slight than Moore.) He's got size limitations, but speed and quickness to spare.

Moore is an enticing prospect with return and run-after-catch ability and the kind of football character coaches adore. The Bears would likely have to invest their second-rounder to land him.

thunderspirit · Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:40 pm

This post has some very good data compiled for receiver traits in which Nagy will likely be interested. He's focused mostly on the Combine data, which frankly has sold Kendall Wright short on his speed; factor in his pro day numbers, even adjusted .04 on the 40 time to compensate for hand-timed measurements, and he comfortably hits the thresholds the author posits. I've warmed to the idea of bringing Wright back if it's not too expensive. (FWIW, I'm also with him on axing Markus Wheaton — don't let the door hit ya where Mother Nature split ya.)

I chose to make 2014 my cut-off point, which removed Jeremy Maclin and Da'Ron Brown from the data set, and then plugged the numbers into agility and twitch formulae I calculate every draft year to look for additional trends. Along with the thresholds given for 40-time (4.51s), vertical jump (35.5 inches) and broad jump (10.0 ft), a 3-cone time of 7.00s or under appears to be important. The sole exception to that time was Chris Conley, whose 4.35 speed on a 6-2, 215 lb frame appears to have largely made up for his lack of quickness changing direction.

Cam Meredith, Kevin White (yeah, yeah, I know), Josh Bellamy, and Kendall Wright all meet or exceed each of the four data points; Dontrelle Inman falls short on both the jumps.

mmmc_35 · Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:14 am

D.J. Chark

- Honestly I am not a big of fan. He has good height and length. Skinny. He can take the top off a defense. Doesn't run a wide variety of routes, but shows the agility to be able to. He likes to body catch and his hands are inconsistent. He has added value on the return game and could be better on the NFL do to QB play at LSU.

Scouting Report Fan Sided

Complete 2017

mmmc_35 · Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:34 am

DJ Moore

- Well this dude is fantastic. He fits this year's shorter athletic playmaker mold. He is quick and can produce after the catch. He shows good hands, and ball tracking.
He won't be a 50/50 guy, or traditional deep threat. He is an advanced route runner. Scrappy as hell.

Scouting Report

Complete 2017

mmmc_35 · Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:52 am

Marcell Ateman

- He has the "prototypical" WR build. He can high point the the ball, with sure hands catching the ball away from him.

Scouting Report

2017 Highlights

mmmc_35 · Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:56 am

So this is how I have the WR ranked currently.

RIDLEY, CALVIN
SUTTON, COURTLAND
WASHINGTON, JAMES
KIRK, CHRISTIAN
MOORE, D.J.
ST. BROWN, EQUANIMEOUS
MILLER, ANTHONY
PETTIS , DANTE
CAIN, DEON
ATEMAN, MARCELL
GALLUP, MICHAEL
LASLEY, JORDAN
COUTEE, KEKE
CALLAWAY, ANTONIO
CHARK, D.J.

Hiphopopotamos · Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:15 am

FWIW - Seems draft twitter thinks Chark has secured himself a spot in the top 50.

Kirk time out in the 4.4’s and is a must take if he’s there for us in the second.

G08 · Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:48 am

I loved Chark's 4.34 at roughly 6'3" 200 lbs.

I was hoping Kirk ran closer to a 4.40 than a 4.50, but that's alright.

Curious AF to see what DJ Moore runs.

G08 · Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:18 pm

DJ Moore: 4.43 unofficial, 39.5" vertical

I'd love this dude in round 2.

EricTighe · Sat Mar 03, 2018 5:38 pm

I personally wouldn't take any of these WR in the first or second round.

I do like some but have none of them in my top 20 players in the draft.

Never draft for need!

Umbali · Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:17 pm

I personally doubt Pace picks a WR in round one after getting bit by the White pick. I think he goes edge rusher first or CB. How many times has the Patriots had a true number one WR? Yet....lots of SB appearances ..

alexwilkins · Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:53 pm

Just finished the first group of wideouts and QBs at the combine, and man did Christian Kirk impress me. His footwork in the on-field drills was great. Catching the over-the-shoulder balls was nice, too. He’s short, but he’s thick-bodied. He never really played outside in school, but he’s got this toughness about him. I don’t think a Steve Smith, Sr. comparison is too far off. I wouldn’t hate him in the first round.

I’ll be watching the second group later tonight.