EDGE rusher talk

[mmmc_35]

Athletically it doesn't suck. It's probably the deepest athletic group in the 5 years i have kept records.

The group though as a whole has questing marks. I could see a bunch of guys doing well in the league with development.

A guy like Davenport could become a phenom or out of the league in 4 years.

[G08]

Athletically it doesn't suck. It's probably the deepest athletic group in the 5 years i have kept records.

The group though as a whole has questing marks. I could see a bunch of guys doing well in the league with development.

A guy like Davenport could become a phenom or out of the league in 4 years.

That's what I mean... I don't see anyone that jumps out at me and it's arguably our biggest need right now.

Can any of you see Landry as another Leonard Floyd (save for height/arm length)?

[Adipost]

This EDGE class fucking sucks.

If we don't think Edmunds can make the transition, I really don't know what we're going to do. I think 8 is too rich for Landry (then again, I never thought Pace would draft Leonard Floyd at #9) and the round 2 talent all come with warts.

What do we do?

Why do you think Vic Fangio can develop a raw talent such as Tremaine Edmunds, and go as far as move him to a new position, but can’t develop a raw talent such as Davenport who is already a pass rusher???

[G08]

This EDGE class fucking sucks.

If we don't think Edmunds can make the transition, I really don't know what we're going to do. I think 8 is too rich for Landry (then again, I never thought Pace would draft Leonard Floyd at #9) and the round 2 talent all come with warts.

What do we do?

Why do you think Vic Fangio can develop a raw talent such as Tremaine Edmunds, and go as far as move him to a new position, but can’t develop a raw talent such as Davenport who is already a pass rusher???

Davenport is a freak, no question about it, I just wish what I was seeing was done against legitimate competition, ya know? I don't know anything about his personality or drive etc etc so right now, in my mind, he's an athletic freak that crushed lesser competition.

The other thing is I think 8 is too rich for him and I don't think he'll be there in round 2.

[cblaz11]

I'd take Landry in the 1st and Sweat in the second.

We're good at CB, DT, MLB, WR, QB, RB, S, TE....for the most part.

I say load up on edge rushers!

[Adipost]

This EDGE class fucking sucks.

If we don't think Edmunds can make the transition, I really don't know what we're going to do. I think 8 is too rich for Landry (then again, I never thought Pace would draft Leonard Floyd at #9) and the round 2 talent all come with warts.

What do we do?

Why do you think Vic Fangio can develop a raw talent such as Tremaine Edmunds, and go as far as move him to a new position, but can’t develop a raw talent such as Davenport who is already a pass rusher???

Davenport is a freak, no question about it, I just wish what I was seeing was done against legitimate competition, ya know? I don't know anything about his personality or drive etc etc so right now, in my mind, he's an athletic freak that crushed lesser competition.

The other thing is I think 8 is too rich for him and I don't think he'll be there in round 2.

What happened to the like feature?

[Hematite]

I'd take Landry in the 1st and Sweat in the second.

We're good at CB, DT, MLB, WR, QB, RB, S, TE....for the most part.

I say load up on edge rushers!

With Sweats injury history (knee), there is no way I want him in the 2nd round. If he's still available in the 4th, I'm all in! High risk/reward draft prospect in Sweat.

[thunderspirit]

Why do you think Vic Fangio can develop a raw talent such as Tremaine Edmunds, and go as far as move him to a new position, but can’t develop a raw talent such as Davenport who is already a pass rusher???

Davenport is a freak, no question about it, I just wish what I was seeing was done against legitimate competition, ya know? I don't know anything about his personality or drive etc etc so right now, in my mind, he's an athletic freak that crushed lesser competition.

The other thing is I think 8 is too rich for him and I don't think he'll be there in round 2.

Davenport did okay at the Senior Bowl against legitimate competition. (Not great, mind you, but okay.)

#8 is higher than I'd like too, but he's got elite athletic traits — the kind you typically don't find in the later rounds. He's not a sure thing, but isn't that why you hire coaches you think can teach?

[Mikefive]

Having just posted my prescription for the Bears to trade back and take 2 edge guys, I'm starting to think that the pass rush group--despite the question marks after Chubb--is going to get overdrafted, simply because of the dearth of pass rush options in free agency. If you're a team like the Bears, Packers and others who need to upgrade one of the most important positions on defense, you might roll the dice and reach for one without another way to get one. Teams trading up for one--even with question marks--is certainly possible this year. So maybe I'm talking myself out of trading down very far.

[G08]

The more I think about it, the more I believe it has to be Tremaine Edmunds. At worst, he's an elite talent at MLB (keyword: talent). At best? A versatile EDGE rusher that not only can get after the passer but can drop into coverage and carry RBs up the sidelines with ease. That's the move if I'm calling the shots.

[mmmc_35]

The more I think about it, the more I believe it has to be Tremaine Edmunds. At worst, he's an elite talent at MLB (keyword: talent). At best? A versatile EDGE rusher that not only can get after the passer but can drop into coverage and carry RBs up the sidelines with ease. That's the move if I'm calling the shots.

I completely agree. Ever sense Wab mentioned him, he has been the guy I think fits.

[G08]

The more I think about it, the more I believe it has to be Tremaine Edmunds. At worst, he's an elite talent at MLB (keyword: talent). At best? A versatile EDGE rusher that not only can get after the passer but can drop into coverage and carry RBs up the sidelines with ease. That's the move if I'm calling the shots.

I completely agree. Ever sense Wab mentioned him, he has been the guy I think fits.

Yup, and just like the WRs adding him pushes everyone down a level.

Floyd - Starter
Acho - Starter in base
Edmunds - Pass rusher in sub packages
Lynch - depth

[IotaNet]

The more I think about it, the more I believe it has to be Tremaine Edmunds. At worst, he's an elite talent at MLB (keyword: talent). At best? A versatile EDGE rusher that not only can get after the passer but can drop into coverage and carry RBs up the sidelines with ease. That's the move if I'm calling the shots.

I completely agree. Ever sense Wab mentioned him, he has been the guy I think fits.

Yup, and just like the WRs adding him pushes everyone down a level.

Floyd - Starter
Acho - Starter in base
Edmunds - Pass rusher in sub packages
Lynch - depth

sign me up. I see this kid as a weapon for Fangio to train and deploy in fiendish ways.

Me want.

[Hematite]

I'm kinda intriqued by Ja'von Rolland Jones in the 6th round if he is still available. He's not gonna be a guy that can be effective every down, but in sub packages when its time to get the QB, he may have value!

He played for a small school but was a sack machine. Gem or shiny rock?

[crueltyabc]

Just watched Hubbard vs Iowa and was not impressed. He uses his hands to keep blockers off his body but it's not exactly a great bull rush, and his speed around the edge is not impressive. He looked OK for the first quarter then his team started getting spanked and he couldn't make a play. Shows good effort I guess?

I hate this group.

[G08]

I hate this group.

Every single one of them has flaws and it's annoying. More and more I'm thinking at 8 you have to go EDGE. It will suck if Edmunds is gone, but if we have to reach for Landry then so freaking be it. Dude has a ton of flaws, but so did Floyd and Pace traded up for that dude.

[crueltyabc]

I was thinking about this when posting in the Top 8 thread, and I kinda think the opposite of your reasoning. If Chubb (obv) and Edmunds are gone, I think we fill another need with a high floor player at 8 (Nelson, Smith) and kick the can on OLB. We can draft a situational rusher guy later (4th) and accept that Acho is starting in 2018. Maybe Lynch or the 4th rounder rookie can add 5-6 sacks and Floyd gets 8. Or we trade down and get two of these questionable EDGE guys and hope that one works out. We need two starters from this draft and can't afford to whiff on #8.

EDIT: I'm assuming that only EDGE trash will be left in the second and we'll end up drafting OL or WR

[Mikefive]

The more I think about it, the more I believe it has to be Tremaine Edmunds. At worst, he's an elite talent at MLB (keyword: talent). At best? A versatile EDGE rusher that not only can get after the passer but can drop into coverage and carry RBs up the sidelines with ease. That's the move if I'm calling the shots.

I completely agree. Ever sense Wab mentioned him, he has been the guy I think fits.

Yup, and just like the WRs adding him pushes everyone down a level.

Floyd - Starter
Acho - Starter in base
Edmunds - Pass rusher in sub packages
Lynch - depth

sign me up. I see this kid as a weapon for Fangio to train and deploy in fiendish ways.

Me want.

That's how I see it as well. Even if we play him inside in some packages, Fangio has made superstars out of inside guys who can go get the QB. He works because of Fangio's creativity.

[IotaNet]

The more I think about it, the more I believe it has to be Tremaine Edmunds. At worst, he's an elite talent at MLB (keyword: talent). At best? A versatile EDGE rusher that not only can get after the passer but can drop into coverage and carry RBs up the sidelines with ease. That's the move if I'm calling the shots.

I completely agree. Ever sense Wab mentioned him, he has been the guy I think fits.

Yup, and just like the WRs adding him pushes everyone down a level.

Floyd - Starter
Acho - Starter in base
Edmunds - Pass rusher in sub packages
Lynch - depth

sign me up. I see this kid as a weapon for Fangio to train and deploy in fiendish ways.

Me want.

That's how I see it as well ... He works because of Fangio's creativity.

Exactly.

That's the same reason we don't have to automatically choose Quenton Nelson at 8. Harry Hiestand is an OL guru and as long as we draft someone with reasonable skill/talent (Could Mike McGlinchey make it to #39?), Harry will absolutely coach him up.

[wab]

If Edmunds and Nelson are gone and the Bears aren’t comfortable with Davenport...I’m good with Vea or Bryan at 8. Bryan may be a stretch but I think he goes top 12 by the time it’s all said and done. Hard to ignore the JJ Watt comparisons.

[Atkins&Rebel]

Who plays DE vs NT if we take Vea? Does Vea man the NT and Goldman kicks out to DE, or vice versa?

Not against the idea, I like Vea, but not if our coaches think he and Goldman play the same position.

[wab]

Who plays DE vs NT if we take Vea? Does Vea man the NT and Goldman kicks out to DE, or vice versa?

Not against the idea, I like Vea, but not if our coaches think he and Goldman play the same position.

Goldman probably kicks out to end.

[Adipost]

Who plays DE vs NT if we take Vea? Does Vea man the NT and Goldman kicks out to DE, or vice versa?

Not against the idea, I like Vea, but not if our coaches think he and Goldman play the same position.

Goldman probably kicks out to end.

The problem with 3 elite DE’s is that one usually has to sit out when the Bears are in sub packages.

[Hematite]

Who plays DE vs NT if we take Vea? Does Vea man the NT and Goldman kicks out to DE, or vice versa?

Not against the idea, I like Vea, but not if our coaches think he and Goldman play the same position.

Goldman probably kicks out to end.

The problem with 3 elite DE’s is that one usually has to sit out when the Bears are in sub packages.

Drafting Saquon Barkley if he falls to 8 is bad, because of Howard.
Drafting Vea at 8, even though we have Goldman, is somehow a better choice?

I'm confused.

[wab]

Who plays DE vs NT if we take Vea? Does Vea man the NT and Goldman kicks out to DE, or vice versa?

Not against the idea, I like Vea, but not if our coaches think he and Goldman play the same position.

Goldman probably kicks out to end.

The problem with 3 elite DE’s is that one usually has to sit out when the Bears are in sub packages.

Drafting Saquon Barkley if he falls to 8 is bad, because of Howard.
Drafting Vea at 8, even though we have Goldman, is somehow a better choice?

I'm confused.

Because the defensive line and the running back position are about as apples and oranges as you can get.

[Hematite]

I'm kinda intriqued by Ja'von Rolland Jones in the 6th round if he is still available. He's not gonna be a guy that can be effective every down, but in sub packages when its time to get the QB, he may have value!

He played for a small school but was a sack machine. Gem or shiny rock?

Now I know why I was ignored Wab!!

[Mikefive]

Who plays DE vs NT if we take Vea? Does Vea man the NT and Goldman kicks out to DE, or vice versa?

Not against the idea, I like Vea, but not if our coaches think he and Goldman play the same position.

Goldman probably kicks out to end.

The problem with 3 elite DE’s is that one usually has to sit out when the Bears are in sub packages.

Drafting Saquon Barkley if he falls to 8 is bad, because of Howard.
Drafting Vea at 8, even though we have Goldman, is somehow a better choice?

I'm confused.

You could play Hicks, Goldman and Vea at the 3 DE spots and probably be pretty darned successful. Probably the best run defense in the league.

With 2 very good RBs, there's only one ball and the other isn't a blocking specialist.

[G08]

If Edmunds and Nelson are gone and the Bears aren’t comfortable with Davenport...I’m good with Vea or Bryan at 8. Bryan may be a stretch but I think he goes top 12 by the time it’s all said and done. Hard to ignore the JJ Watt comparisons.

Davenport makes sense if Pace and Friends feel comfortable with developing him. Kid just feels so raw to me.

[Adipost]

If Edmunds and Nelson are gone and the Bears aren’t comfortable with Davenport...I’m good with Vea or Bryan at 8. Bryan may be a stretch but I think he goes top 12 by the time it’s all said and done. Hard to ignore the JJ Watt comparisons.

Davenport makes sense if Pace and Friends feel comfortable with developing him. Kid just feels so raw to me.

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/3/20/17089168/2018-nfl-draft-marcus-davenport-breakdown-scouting-report

[Rusty Trombagent]

davenport is raw, but edmunds has potential. gotcha.