Offensive Linemen Talk

LacertineForest · Fri Mar 02, 2018 1:37 pm

RustyTrubisky wrote:
crueltyabc wrote:Also looked like garbage in the drills. Why did he agree to go to the combine?
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He did pretty well on height and weight, though

Hiphopopotamos · Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:35 pm

crueltyabc wrote:Also looked like garbage in the drills. Why did he agree to go to the combine?

Good question. I guess he doesn't expect the numbers won't be any better at the pro day. Might as well get them out there now.

I don't care how big you are, or naturally strong, you still need to know where the fucking weight room is. Brown tests like a guy who never found it in all his time at OUsucks.

G08 · Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:37 pm

Hiphopopotamos wrote:
crueltyabc wrote:Also looked like garbage in the drills. Why did he agree to go to the combine?

Good question. I guess he doesn't expect the numbers won't be any better at the pro day. Might as well get them out there now.

I don't care how big you are, or naturally strong, you still need to know where the fucking weight room is. Brown tests like a guy who never found it in all his time at OUsucks.

#NotALonghornsFanAtAll

EricTighe · Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:53 am

The guard class this year is sick. Maybe the drafts best position,
My list
1. Nelson- Talked him to death.
2. Braden Smith (Auburn)- Maybe the drafts best pulling and trapping. Did I mention he is strong as hell. His Coach says he is the best football player he has ever coached(take it for what it is worth).
3. Hernandez- Was in the talking before the season as a third or fourth rounder, But the display he put on at the Senior bowl was crazy. He looked like a man amongst boyz,
4. Austin Corbett- Played LT at Nevada and held his own for the last three years, held is own against Myles Garret when they played.
5. Wyatt Teller VT- Good all around blocker.

As good as this list is the one problem is they will all be gone before the third round. Not that we have one anyway. So we get one in the first or the second. My prefrence is to get
1st round. Edmunds if gone then take Payne
2nd round. Braden Smith or Hernandez one of them should still be there,

DaSuperfan · Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:04 am

EricTighe wrote:The guard class this year is sick. Maybe the drafts best position,
My list
1. Nelson- Talked him to death.
2. Braden Smith (Auburn)- Maybe the drafts best pulling and trapping. Did I mention he is strong as hell. His Coach says he is the best football player he has ever coached(take it for what it is worth).
3. Hernandez- Was in the talking before the season as a third or fourth rounder, But the display he put on at the Senior bowl was crazy. He looked like a man amongst boyz,
4. Austin Corbett- Played LT at Nevada and held his own for the last three years, held is own against Myles Garret when they played.
5. Wyatt Teller VT- Good all around blocker.

As good as this list is the one problem is they will all be gone before the third round. Not that we have one anyway. So we get one in the first or the second. My prefrence is to get
1st round. Edmunds if gone then take Payne
2nd round. Braden Smith or Hernandez one of them should still be there,

You forgot to mention Isaiah Wynn, who clearly looked like one of the best Guards at the Senior Bowl. Extremely sound technically, athletic and strong at the point of attack.

G08 · Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:36 am

More and more I think we take our best rated interior OL in round 2. Sign me up for Edmunds in the 1st and a lineman in round 2.

Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:15 pm

I'm a Wyatt Teller fan in r4.

mmmc_35 · Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:37 pm

G08 wrote:More and more I think we take our best rated interior OL in round 2. Sign me up for Edmunds in the 1st and a lineman in round 2.

Yeah I think that makes sense with how the roster is shaped.

G08 · Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:55 pm

Edmunds or Landry in round 1, round 2 can even be an OT that we convert to OG if we like... should be a lot of names there and I wouldn't be surprised to see Pace pull his patented trade-down to acquire a low third or high fourth.

The only player for me that could throw a wrench into those plans is Minkah Fitzpatrick. I'm not sure how you leave that dude on the board... starting nickel day 1 and he can kick outside if anyone gets hurt or he can take over if we move on from Fuller in a couple years.

SC Bear · Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:58 am

Now that Compton has signed with the Vikings I believe it is pretty clear the Bears go OL 1 or 2 in the draft. Nelson if he is there, the ND OT if they trade back in 1, or one of the guards in 2.

Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:06 am

I still think it's possible that they move Whitehair to LG and Kush takes over at center. Morgan, Lee, and Grasu back up on the interior, and Sowell is the swing guy.

BUT... that's not a super strong group.

mmmc_35 · Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:00 pm

There is no reason not to draft a guard this draft. There are decent options that could be had at almost any point.

Middleguard · Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:43 pm

I think there is every reason TO draft a guard this draft.

Bears Whiskey Nut · Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:59 pm

Middleguard wrote:I think there is every reason TO draft a guard this draft.

There is no reason not to draft a guard this draft. There are decent options that could be had at almost any point.

Double negative...you're saying the same thing...

Middleguard · Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:04 pm

Not so, different implications by the wording: "could" vs "should."

Bears Whiskey Nut · Sun Mar 25, 2018 10:11 am

Middleguard wrote:Not so, different implications by the wording: "could" vs "should."

SC Bear · Sun Mar 25, 2018 12:09 pm

So far in FA we have lost Sitton and Compton. Not adding someone from FA ($5 mil+ )or the draft rds 1 or 2 would be a mistake. IMO failure to invest in the offensive line would be so detrimental to our offense that even with all the additions to the offense our performance would struggle to surpass last year

EricTighe · Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:57 am

What about this guy in round two.

By the way in 2017 he didn't allow a sack or a single pressure on the QB. Forget that he didn't even allow his QB to get hit at all from him. He was also voted as the best O-lineman in the Pac-12 by his PEERS.

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https://www.nfl.com/prospects/tyrell-cr ... 06d79bf655" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Oh yeah our Offensive coordinator knows him real well.

If Pace is really listening to his coaches as he says could it be possible that we draft Nelson in round 1 like everyone says only then to follow it with Crosby in round 2? It may not be our starting right side next year but it could be our starting right side for the next ten years after.

I know all the Edge pass rusher guys will hate this scenario.

Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:59 am

EricTighe wrote:What about this guy in round two.

By the way in 2017 he didn't allow a sack or a single pressure on the QB. Forget that he didn't even allow his QB to get hit at all from him. He was also voted as the best O-lineman in the Pac-12 by his PEERS.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2018/0 ... y/apyz9jh/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/tyrell-cr ... 06d79bf655" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Oh yeah our Offensive coordinator knows him real well.

If Pace is really listening to his coaches as he says could it be possible that we draft Nelson in round 1 like everyone says only then to follow it with Crosby in round 2? It may not be our starting right side next year but it could be our starting right side for the next ten years after.

I know all the Edge pass rusher guys will hate this scenario.

Pace has a history of doubling (even tripling) up picks on weak spots. It wouldn’t surprise me. Nor would I hate it.

EricTighe · Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:09 am

Not to mention he has been talking all off season about giving Trubiski every chance to succeed. No matter the play makers you have and the scheme you run if you have no line we will be looking for another QB in a few years. If he can survive that long?
Trust me I still want Da'Ron Payne in the first. I still think he is a future first ballot Hall of Famer and I don't say that very often. Hell didn't even say it when Urlacher came out only argued till I was blue in the face that he was the best player in the draft.

I think the only guys I ever said that about was DaCastro (on his way), Tomlinson and Polamula. Now I am saying it about Payne.

Would love to say it about Nelson but not to sure if some of his weaknesses were covered up playing along side McGlinchey? (Or perhaps it was the other way around?)

cblaz11 · Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:11 am

I feel like I'm one of few who actually like our OTs, especially at their price. Whitehair and Long are both quality NFL starters/borderline pro bowlers. I heard Long on a podcast yesterday and he said he feels 24 again...so that's good. So that means we need either a starting OG or C..I have faith that Pace can find that after the 2nd or in free agency.

EricTighe · Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:55 am

I am one of the few that now like our OLB's.

Floyd- I am believing this is the year he breaks out.
Acho- Very much under-appreciated but very solid.
Lynch- Looked like a lock as future pro bowler. If he gets his head right again maybe we see that player again.
Jones- had a pretty good audition last year lets see if he builds on that.
Robertson-Harris- (About the same size as Houston who played OLB,( ok about 4 inches shorter) I am begining to think that great things are ahead for this kid. https://www.minerrush.com/2016/4/27/115 ... son-harris" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Does this look a little familiar?

Adipost · Sat Mar 31, 2018 11:08 am

EricTighe wrote:I am one of the few that now like our OLB's.

Floyd- I am believing this is the year he breaks out.
Acho- Very much under-appreciated but very solid.
Lynch- Looked like a lock as future pro bowler. If he gets his head right again maybe we see that player again.
Jones- had a pretty good audition last year lets see if he builds on that.
Robertson-Harris- (About the same size as Houston who played OLB,( ok about 4 inches shorter) I am begining to think that great things are ahead for this kid. https://www.minerrush.com/2016/4/27/115 ... son-harris" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Does this look a little familiar?

You are very much delusional, sir.

thunderspirit · Sat Mar 31, 2018 11:27 am

Being delusional is nothing new for EricTighe.

Back on topic: the relative strength of the interior o-line in the draft means you can use that to your advantage and grab positions less deep early on. This only works if you have a number of guys rated similarly and can reasonably anticipate one or more of them falling to a value point of the draft.

Example: I have Mason Cole, Wyatt Teller, and Frank Ragnow rated pretty closely and think they're about a late 3rd value. It's reasonable to think one of those guys will slide to one of the Bears' picks in the 4th. So if Nelson is gone at #8 and the pick is, say, Tremaine Edmunds, if the rating on those guys isn't that far behind, say, Braden Smith when the pick comes up on Day 2 at #37, you might be willing to gamble that one of those three will be there and target, say, Sam Hubbard at #37 instead.

It's a calculated risk, though, and sometimes those don't work out. But it's got to figure into the calculus of the draft.

EricTighe · Sat Mar 31, 2018 11:37 am

Delusional maybe? Homer definitely.

But if history is any indication I hit more then miss in round one of these damn drafts. I have been doing this for years and my little philosophy of Stats + Athletic abiltiy = Stud.

Mikefive · Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:03 pm

Can Crosby play LG as a rookie? As a big strength guy who maybe doesn't have the niftiest feet for an OT, it could be a fit that meets a need for us, at least on the short term. And a bet hedge depending on what happens with Massie next offseason.

cblaz11 · Sat Mar 31, 2018 1:25 pm

Adipost wrote:
EricTighe wrote:I am one of the few that now like our OLB's.

Floyd- I am believing this is the year he breaks out.
Acho- Very much under-appreciated but very solid.
Lynch- Looked like a lock as future pro bowler. If he gets his head right again maybe we see that player again.
Jones- had a pretty good audition last year lets see if he builds on that.
Robertson-Harris- (About the same size as Houston who played OLB,( ok about 4 inches shorter) I am begining to think that great things are ahead for this kid. https://www.minerrush.com/2016/4/27/115 ... son-harris" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Does this look a little familiar?
You are very much delusional, sir.

Floyd-Good, but injury prone
Acho- TERRIBLE---ZERO PASS RUSHING ability(Great guy though)
Lynch- LOL...Future pro bowler?
Jones- I feel like I know this team well...Yet, I asked myself...WHO?
RRH- He's a defensive end, not an OLB...

Seriously though, who is Jones?

cblaz11 · Sat Mar 31, 2018 1:34 pm

I googled it...Howard Jones.

If we're relying on Howard Jones.....Its gonna be a long season. Seeing that list, concerns me.

EricTighe · Sat Mar 31, 2018 1:49 pm

cblaz11 wrote:
Adipost wrote:
EricTighe wrote:I am one of the few that now like our OLB's.

Floyd- I am believing this is the year he breaks out.
Acho- Very much under-appreciated but very solid.
Lynch- Looked like a lock as future pro bowler. If he gets his head right again maybe we see that player again.
Jones- had a pretty good audition last year lets see if he builds on that.
Robertson-Harris- (About the same size as Houston who played OLB,( ok about 4 inches shorter) I am begining to think that great things are ahead for this kid. https://www.minerrush.com/2016/4/27/115 ... son-harris" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Does this look a little familiar?
You are very much delusional, sir.

Floyd-Good, but injury prone
Acho- TERRIBLE---ZERO PASS RUSHING ability(Great guy though)
Lynch- LOL...Future pro bowler?
Jones- I feel like I know this team well...Yet, I asked myself...WHO?
RRH- He's a defensive end, not an OLB...

Seriously though, who is Jones?

Lynch had 6.5 sacks as a part time player in his first year and yes he was thought of being a future pro bowler. It helps to follow other teams at times.

EricTighe · Sat Mar 31, 2018 1:56 pm

As far as RRH goes I can bring up a few examples but already have. In a 3-4 defense never shoe tie a guy to one position. Hicks has the fattest ass on this team and plays DE not NT as should be the case. Houston, McPhee and Willie Young were all over two were 6'3" and 2 were over 270 one being under 270 and 6'5".

I am not saying he isn't solely a DE I am just saying don't horse tie to that one spot.