Offensive Linemen Talk

[wab]

I still think it's possible that they move Whitehair to LG and Kush takes over at center. Morgan, Lee, and Grasu back up on the interior, and Sowell is the swing guy.

BUT... that's not a super strong group.

[mmmc_35]

There is no reason not to draft a guard this draft. There are decent options that could be had at almost any point.

[Middleguard]

I think there is every reason TO draft a guard this draft.

[Bears Whiskey Nut]

I think there is every reason TO draft a guard this draft.

There is no reason not to draft a guard this draft. There are decent options that could be had at almost any point.

Double negative...you're saying the same thing...

[Middleguard]

Not so, different implications by the wording: "could" vs "should."

[Bears Whiskey Nut]

Not so, different implications by the wording: "could" vs "should."

[SC Bear]

So far in FA we have lost Sitton and Compton. Not adding someone from FA ($5 mil+ )or the draft rds 1 or 2 would be a mistake. IMO failure to invest in the offensive line would be so detrimental to our offense that even with all the additions to the offense our performance would struggle to surpass last year

[EricTighe]

What about this guy in round two.

By the way in 2017 he didn't allow a sack or a single pressure on the QB. Forget that he didn't even allow his QB to get hit at all from him. He was also voted as the best O-lineman in the Pac-12 by his PEERS.

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https://www.nfl.com/prospects/tyrell-cr ... 06d79bf655" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Oh yeah our Offensive coordinator knows him real well.

If Pace is really listening to his coaches as he says could it be possible that we draft Nelson in round 1 like everyone says only then to follow it with Crosby in round 2? It may not be our starting right side next year but it could be our starting right side for the next ten years after.

I know all the Edge pass rusher guys will hate this scenario.

[wab]

What about this guy in round two.

By the way in 2017 he didn't allow a sack or a single pressure on the QB. Forget that he didn't even allow his QB to get hit at all from him. He was also voted as the best O-lineman in the Pac-12 by his PEERS.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2018/0 ... y/apyz9jh/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/tyrell-cr ... 06d79bf655" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Oh yeah our Offensive coordinator knows him real well.

If Pace is really listening to his coaches as he says could it be possible that we draft Nelson in round 1 like everyone says only then to follow it with Crosby in round 2? It may not be our starting right side next year but it could be our starting right side for the next ten years after.

I know all the Edge pass rusher guys will hate this scenario.

Pace has a history of doubling (even tripling) up picks on weak spots. It wouldn’t surprise me. Nor would I hate it.

[EricTighe]

Not to mention he has been talking all off season about giving Trubiski every chance to succeed. No matter the play makers you have and the scheme you run if you have no line we will be looking for another QB in a few years. If he can survive that long?
Trust me I still want Da'Ron Payne in the first. I still think he is a future first ballot Hall of Famer and I don't say that very often. Hell didn't even say it when Urlacher came out only argued till I was blue in the face that he was the best player in the draft.

I think the only guys I ever said that about was DaCastro (on his way), Tomlinson and Polamula. Now I am saying it about Payne.

Would love to say it about Nelson but not to sure if some of his weaknesses were covered up playing along side McGlinchey? (Or perhaps it was the other way around?)

[cblaz11]

I feel like I'm one of few who actually like our OTs, especially at their price. Whitehair and Long are both quality NFL starters/borderline pro bowlers. I heard Long on a podcast yesterday and he said he feels 24 again...so that's good. So that means we need either a starting OG or C..I have faith that Pace can find that after the 2nd or in free agency.

[EricTighe]

I am one of the few that now like our OLB's.

Floyd- I am believing this is the year he breaks out.
Acho- Very much under-appreciated but very solid.
Lynch- Looked like a lock as future pro bowler. If he gets his head right again maybe we see that player again.
Jones- had a pretty good audition last year lets see if he builds on that.
Robertson-Harris- (About the same size as Houston who played OLB,( ok about 4 inches shorter) I am begining to think that great things are ahead for this kid. https://www.minerrush.com/2016/4/27/115 ... son-harris" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Does this look a little familiar?

[Adipost]

I am one of the few that now like our OLB's.

Floyd- I am believing this is the year he breaks out.
Acho- Very much under-appreciated but very solid.
Lynch- Looked like a lock as future pro bowler. If he gets his head right again maybe we see that player again.
Jones- had a pretty good audition last year lets see if he builds on that.
Robertson-Harris- (About the same size as Houston who played OLB,( ok about 4 inches shorter) I am begining to think that great things are ahead for this kid. https://www.minerrush.com/2016/4/27/115 ... son-harris" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Does this look a little familiar?

You are very much delusional, sir.

[thunderspirit]

Being delusional is nothing new for EricTighe.

Back on topic: the relative strength of the interior o-line in the draft means you can use that to your advantage and grab positions less deep early on. This only works if you have a number of guys rated similarly and can reasonably anticipate one or more of them falling to a value point of the draft.

Example: I have Mason Cole, Wyatt Teller, and Frank Ragnow rated pretty closely and think they're about a late 3rd value. It's reasonable to think one of those guys will slide to one of the Bears' picks in the 4th. So if Nelson is gone at #8 and the pick is, say, Tremaine Edmunds, if the rating on those guys isn't that far behind, say, Braden Smith when the pick comes up on Day 2 at #37, you might be willing to gamble that one of those three will be there and target, say, Sam Hubbard at #37 instead.

It's a calculated risk, though, and sometimes those don't work out. But it's got to figure into the calculus of the draft.

[EricTighe]

Delusional maybe? Homer definitely.

But if history is any indication I hit more then miss in round one of these damn drafts. I have been doing this for years and my little philosophy of Stats + Athletic abiltiy = Stud.

[Mikefive]

Can Crosby play LG as a rookie? As a big strength guy who maybe doesn't have the niftiest feet for an OT, it could be a fit that meets a need for us, at least on the short term. And a bet hedge depending on what happens with Massie next offseason.

[cblaz11]

I am one of the few that now like our OLB's.

Floyd- I am believing this is the year he breaks out.
Acho- Very much under-appreciated but very solid.
Lynch- Looked like a lock as future pro bowler. If he gets his head right again maybe we see that player again.
Jones- had a pretty good audition last year lets see if he builds on that.
Robertson-Harris- (About the same size as Houston who played OLB,( ok about 4 inches shorter) I am begining to think that great things are ahead for this kid. https://www.minerrush.com/2016/4/27/115 ... son-harris" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Does this look a little familiar?

You are very much delusional, sir.

Floyd-Good, but injury prone
Acho- TERRIBLE---ZERO PASS RUSHING ability(Great guy though)
Lynch- LOL...Future pro bowler?
Jones- I feel like I know this team well...Yet, I asked myself...WHO?
RRH- He's a defensive end, not an OLB...

Seriously though, who is Jones?

[cblaz11]

I googled it...Howard Jones.

If we're relying on Howard Jones.....Its gonna be a long season. Seeing that list, concerns me.

[EricTighe]

I am one of the few that now like our OLB's.

Floyd- I am believing this is the year he breaks out.
Acho- Very much under-appreciated but very solid.
Lynch- Looked like a lock as future pro bowler. If he gets his head right again maybe we see that player again.
Jones- had a pretty good audition last year lets see if he builds on that.
Robertson-Harris- (About the same size as Houston who played OLB,( ok about 4 inches shorter) I am begining to think that great things are ahead for this kid. https://www.minerrush.com/2016/4/27/115 ... son-harris" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Does this look a little familiar?

You are very much delusional, sir.

Floyd-Good, but injury prone
Acho- TERRIBLE---ZERO PASS RUSHING ability(Great guy though)
Lynch- LOL...Future pro bowler?
Jones- I feel like I know this team well...Yet, I asked myself...WHO?
RRH- He's a defensive end, not an OLB...

Seriously though, who is Jones?

Lynch had 6.5 sacks as a part time player in his first year and yes he was thought of being a future pro bowler. It helps to follow other teams at times.

[EricTighe]

As far as RRH goes I can bring up a few examples but already have. In a 3-4 defense never shoe tie a guy to one position. Hicks has the fattest ass on this team and plays DE not NT as should be the case. Houston, McPhee and Willie Young were all over two were 6'3" and 2 were over 270 one being under 270 and 6'5".

I am not saying he isn't solely a DE I am just saying don't horse tie to that one spot.

[cblaz11]

As far as RRH goes I can bring up a few examples but already have. In a 3-4 defense never shoe tie a guy to one position. Hicks has the fattest ass on this team and plays DE not NT as should be the case. Houston, McPhee and Willie Young were all over two were 6'3" and 2 were over 270 one being under 270 and 6'5".

I am not saying he isn't solely a DE I am just saying don't horse tie to that one spot.

It's not just the size that places people into their positions, it's also their skill sets.

[wab]

Roy Robertson Harris weighs almost 300lbs now. He’s unequivocally NOT a linebacker. They said when they signed him that they saw him as an athletic 5T.

Floyd has shown flashes, but not enough and it’s getting high time for that breakout season we keep hearing about.

Acho is a good special teams guy and a rotational LB.

Jones is a fringe player with some athletic ability.

Lynch...I happen to sort of agree with you. I don’t see pro bowl but if he’s right in the head he’s an 8-10 sack guy. But this is pretty much his last shot in the league.

The Bears need to draft a pass rusher and another defensive lineman. There’s just no getting around it.

[Rusty Trombagent]

Roy Robertson Harris weighs almost 300lbs now. He’s unequivocally NOT a linebacker. They said when they signed him that they saw him as an athletic 5T.

and redshirted him an entire year to gain that weight and learn how to play 5T.