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wab wrote:Problem is that now people are talking about him in the top 7. So there's a good chance he doesn't make it to the Bears. Because Bears.

Right now, my top 10 players are:
Nelson
Barkley
Chubb
Darnold
Fitzpatrick
Allen
Edmunds
Vea
Ward
Davenport

So who knows.

It's funny that you now want Nelson #1. When I suggested it weeks ago, you were like, 'no way are we taking a G at #8.'

Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:

wab wrote:Problem is that now people are talking about him in the top 7. So there's a good chance he doesn't make it to the Bears. Because Bears.

Right now, my top 10 players are:
Nelson
Barkley
Chubb
Darnold
Fitzpatrick
Allen
Edmunds
Vea
Ward
Davenport

So who knows.

It's funny that you now want Nelson #1. When I suggested it weeks ago, you were like, 'no way are we taking a G at #8.'

Me? I mocked him to the Bears in my first draft.

If I said anything, I said just because the Bears hired his college position coach doesn’t mean they will take him, or that they have to take him.

Nelson is a luxury pick that we can't afford right now, IMO. I hope the kid goes before us at #8.

Tremaine Edmunds is my pick all the way; at minimum you have an elite talent at ILB (keyword: talent). I trust Fangio to treat him just like Aldon Smith during his 14 sack rookie season -- just sick him after the QB and occasionally sprinkle in him dropping into coverage. Kid's a freak.

G08 wrote:Nelson is a luxury pick that we can't afford right now, IMO. I hope the kid goes before us at #8.

Tremaine Edmunds is my pick all the way; at minimum you have an elite talent at ILB (keyword: talent). I trust Fangio to treat him just like Aldon Smith during his 14 sack rookie season -- just sick him after the QB and occasionally sprinkle in him dropping into coverage. Kid's a freak.

This right here.

And he is young enough that he has to be taught anyway. He comes from a football family and seems to be a good kid to boot.

I hadn't read before, or hadn't paid attention to, the fact that Edmunds' dad was two-time All-Pro and his brothers play football as well. That's a big box on Pace's checklist. I think he'll trade up a pick to get him after the Bucs tell him the 49ers already made them an offer.

Middleguard wrote:I hadn't read before, or hadn't paid attention to, the fact that Edmunds' dad was two-time All-Pro and his brothers play football as well. That's a big box on Pace's checklist ...

Yup. Pace is all about "character guys" and rightfully so. He's trying to establish a certain culture for the team going forward and to your point, this kid coming from a successful "football family" carries weight with Pace.

He was also a quarter-finalist for the Lott (as in Ronnie) IMPACT trophy. IMPACT is an acronym for: Integrity, Maturity, Performance, Academics, Community, and Tenacity. He didn't win but he was nominated this past season.
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I'm telling you, this kid checks all the boxes.

G08 wrote:Nelson is a luxury pick that we can't afford right now, IMO. I hope the kid goes before us at #8.

Tremaine Edmunds is my pick all the way; at minimum you have an elite talent at ILB (keyword: talent). I trust Fangio to treat him just like Aldon Smith during his 14 sack rookie season -- just sick him after the QB and occasionally sprinkle in him dropping into coverage. Kid's a freak.

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Still want him at 8!?

After seeing the improvements he made from the start of the season to the final 4-5 games? Yep.

This draft class feels so weird to me. I can't quite place it.

After watching that video why wouldn't anyone want him.

All in!

McCblaz wrote:

G08 wrote:Nelson is a luxury pick that we can't afford right now, IMO. I hope the kid goes before us at #8.

Tremaine Edmunds is my pick all the way; at minimum you have an elite talent at ILB (keyword: talent). I trust Fangio to treat him just like Aldon Smith during his 14 sack rookie season -- just sick him after the QB and occasionally sprinkle in him dropping into coverage. Kid's a freak.

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Still want him at 8!?

Absolutely. I'm not keeping him at ILB in my scenario, though. He's strictly a pass rusher starting off.

All that video did was make me want him more.

G08 wrote:

McCblaz wrote:

G08 wrote:Nelson is a luxury pick that we can't afford right now, IMO. I hope the kid goes before us at #8.

Tremaine Edmunds is my pick all the way; at minimum you have an elite talent at ILB (keyword: talent). I trust Fangio to treat him just like Aldon Smith during his 14 sack rookie season -- just sick him after the QB and occasionally sprinkle in him dropping into coverage. Kid's a freak.

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Still want him at 8!?

Absolutely. I'm not keeping him at ILB in my scenario, though. He's strictly a pass rusher starting off.

Dude, you’re crazy with you’re Edge projection. I havent seen 1 play in his entire 2017 tape where Edmunds beat an OT one on one for a sack or even a hurry. Not one. Your projecting him as a pass rusher based solely on his length, and you’re just ignoring every single second of his tape.

Adipost wrote:

G08 wrote:

McCblaz wrote:

G08 wrote:Nelson is a luxury pick that we can't afford right now, IMO. I hope the kid goes before us at #8.

Tremaine Edmunds is my pick all the way; at minimum you have an elite talent at ILB (keyword: talent). I trust Fangio to treat him just like Aldon Smith during his 14 sack rookie season -- just sick him after the QB and occasionally sprinkle in him dropping into coverage. Kid's a freak.

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Still want him at 8!?

Absolutely. I'm not keeping him at ILB in my scenario, though. He's strictly a pass rusher starting off.

Dude, you’re crazy with you’re Edge projection. I havent seen 1 play in his entire 2017 tape where Edmunds beat an OT one on one for a sack or even a hurry. Not one. Your projecting him as a pass rusher based solely on his length, and you’re just ignoring every single second of his tape.

I'm not saying that he couldn't develop that talent. I don't know. But Pace/Nagy/Fangio better be certain that he can develop into a legitimate pass rusher because there isn't many chances to get that position right in this draft. It's do or die in the first round IMO.

Why is everyone wanting to see this kid moved to edge rusher?

I see a MLB that can cover any TE in the game physically, crap and most tall WR's.
The only part of his game that he needs to work on is discipline. That is what all college players need to learn when coming out.

In my 40 years of watching and understanding football one thing remains the same. Freaks make your team better. Forget the position. If this kid has the mental aspect and the determination to be great then he will. Over 100 tackles and 5 sacks from the middle is outstanding. Match that with his 4.55 speed and his size and why would you ever wanna make him a one trick pony?

Not to mention we will have Floyd on one side and a group of guys on the other.

Just imagine Trevathon and Edmunds manning the middle of the field? That will give OC's in time nightmares. Not to mention Vic would have to be giddy as hell being able to blitz from all over the field knowing the speed that is out there.

I went through these arguments when Urlacher came out. Guess we go through them again.

A couple years ago I almost broke my TV cuase we didn't draft Donald. Just to be safe I am gonna hook my ole boob tube just in case we do something stupid.

Only 4 guys I want in the first round.
1. Edmunds
2a. Nelson- perhaps the safest pick in the draft.
2b. Payne- get off the Vea bandwagon. As good as he is, he is not as good as Da'Ron Payne. Just look at his name. Da (DaBears) and bring on the Payne. Not to mention he has a motor that never stops. Think of a bigger Aaron Donald. Oh yeah he benched 460lbs in high school. Did I mention he is only 20?
2c. Ward- Robinson puts in one good year, very scary. Ward has done it for a short minute. Forget edge rushers CB's are very hard to find later though not impossible. CB with those kinda of cover skills and sub 4.4 speed are even harder to find.

Damn I want the Bills two number ones so bad. I would literally trade all our picks to get Payne and Edmunds in round one and call the draft over. But that is a pipe dream.

Fine Edmunds clearly can't be an edge rusher. He didn't do it in college.

So I vote to make him an A gap Blitzer. He dominated shooting the A gap. We will name it a new position. A-BOMB (Agap Blitzing One Man Berserker). We can design a whole new defense around it.

It will be a 3-4 base with one heavy and one coverage rush backers. A 4I who can split a double. A 5T who can eat up a blocker. A NT to get in the face of an interior. And the A-BOMB ready to destroy shit.

What's nice is the A-BOMB can ascend to not just shooting the A gap, he can also develop into the F-BOMB (Free Blitzing One Man Berserker)

I never said he can't? Way easier to be an edge rusher than MLB. Just don't see the reason why?

As a MLB prospect I like him, not at 8 though. I'd take Roquan over him. He's caught out of position so often, in the pros, that will get exposed. It will get coached up also, but my concern is that he doesn't have natural instincts. That, along with the inability to be where your supposed to be could be a bad combination.

Again, if we take him as a MLB I don't hate it..

Adipost wrote:

G08 wrote:

McCblaz wrote:

G08 wrote:Nelson is a luxury pick that we can't afford right now, IMO. I hope the kid goes before us at #8.

Tremaine Edmunds is my pick all the way; at minimum you have an elite talent at ILB (keyword: talent). I trust Fangio to treat him just like Aldon Smith during his 14 sack rookie season -- just sick him after the QB and occasionally sprinkle in him dropping into coverage. Kid's a freak.

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Still want him at 8!?

Absolutely. I'm not keeping him at ILB in my scenario, though. He's strictly a pass rusher starting off.

Dude, you’re crazy with you’re Edge projection. I havent seen 1 play in his entire 2017 tape where Edmunds beat an OT one on one for a sack or even a hurry. Not one. Your projecting him as a pass rusher based solely on his length, and you’re just ignoring every single second of his tape.

Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't possible, Adi. His size, length and burst is outstanding -- there's a reason he has been compared to Brian Urlacher in some regards. If the Bears truly are interested in him, you have to bring him in for a private workout and make sure he can learn what you want him to do.

I'll maintain that at worst you have an elite talent at ILB. Trevathan and Kwiatkoski come out of contract after the 2019 season and ILB plays a huge role in Fangio's defense. To me, Edmunds at 8 is a no-brainer.

Here's Daniel Jeremiah's take, FWIW:

Edmunds has a unique blend of size, length and athleticism. He primarily lines up off the line of scrimmage, but does get some work rushing off the edge. Against the run, he is quick to key, fill and finish as a tackler. He has rare lateral range and collects tackles from sideline to sideline. The former Hokie flashes the ability to shoot his hands and play off blocks, but this is one area where he can improve. Against the pass, he easily mirrors running backs and tight ends; there are even examples of him matching up and redirecting vs. slot receivers. He offers tremendous upside as an edge rusher, where he can dip/rip and bend around the edge. Overall, Edmunds has All-Pro ability. His upside is outrageous.

Doing more research on Edmunds, and I think the combine hurt his stock. I believe he'll free fall into picks 11-15 because teams are going to get cold feet.

Film analysis has lowered his standing in my mind, and I'm guessing that same feeling of being underwhelmed may spook some GMs who are picking in the top 10.

UOK wrote:Doing more research on Edmunds, and I think the combine hurt his stock. I believe he'll free fall into picks 11-15 because teams are going to get cold feet.

You'll have to elaborate here... haven't heard much about the combine but by all accounts he crushed his Pro Day doing positional drills.

G08 wrote:

UOK wrote:Doing more research on Edmunds, and I think the combine hurt his stock. I believe he'll free fall into picks 11-15 because teams are going to get cold feet.

You'll have to elaborate here... haven't heard much about the combine but by all accounts he crushed his Pro Day doing positional drills.

This is to my untrained eye. I was watching Edmunds pro day and the main thing I saw was an insanely athletic kid who is really sloppy with his feet.

Watching his highlights is great, but I get the sense he's more lucky than good. Needs a shitload of refinement.

The Film Room does a nice breakdown of what concerns me about his game:

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I think the Redskins will be the lowest he slips, on just potential alone.

One thing is certain, after all the back and fourth on him, it's going to be fun to see where this kids career goes.

cblaz11 wrote:One thing is certain, after all the back and fourth on him, it's going to be fun to see where this kids career goes.

One of my favorite damn things about the draft process -- you get to track and follow their careers.

EricTighe wrote:I never said he can't? Way easier to be an edge rusher than MLB. Just don't see the reason why?

I and others have suggested just situationally initially.

He can cover, and blitz up the gut from base. Like Fangio used Bowman. He can line up pretty much anywhere in packages.

UOK wrote:
This is to my untrained eye. I was watching Edmunds pro day and the main thing I saw was an insanely athletic kid who is really sloppy with his feet.

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I don't see sloppy feet here, if I had one complaint it's toward the end where he looked a little stiff flipping his hips.

Outside of that, for a man his size I thought he looked outstanding starting/stopping and changing directions. Fluid.

G08 wrote:Here's Daniel Jeremiah's take, FWIW:

Edmunds has a unique blend of size, length and athleticism. He primarily lines up off the line of scrimmage, but does get some work rushing off the edge. Against the run, he is quick to key, fill and finish as a tackler. He has rare lateral range and collects tackles from sideline to sideline. The former Hokie flashes the ability to shoot his hands and play off blocks, but this is one area where he can improve. Against the pass, he easily mirrors running backs and tight ends; there are even examples of him matching up and redirecting vs. slot receivers. He offers tremendous upside as an edge rusher, where he can dip/rip and bend around the edge. Overall, Edmunds has All-Pro ability. His upside is outrageous.

Hes a guy that already struggles getting off blocks in the open field, so now you wanna have him try to beat OT’s. You’d be taking away his 2 biggest attributes, coverage and pursuit, and putting him in a situation where he has shown to struggle.

And that last part Jeremiah mentioned is either something he saw in practice or just completely made up. The few times Edmunds actually took on an OT 1 on 1 against the pass, he was completely stonewalled every single time.

This is probably the closest he’s ever gotten to a QB after taking on an OT 1 on 1...

Every evaluater I've read mentions that Edmunds often looks lost. Some ascribe it to his youth, but he played three years in college in 32 games (and young people learn better than old people). Some suggest he wasn't taking football seriously(?), but others question his intelligence. Bears are assembling a team, O and D, which will require IQ.