After todays signings...R1 draft thoughts

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So we got 2 legit WRs ( lol i think )
and a TE


So top two positions have to be CB and Edge right?

Personally I would think Edge in R1 ( assuming at least Fuller is still with us )

so....Edwards?

Of course it would cost too much to move up and get Chubbs lol...but who knows with Pace.

I think its easier to get a DB in the later rounds than a legit Edge rusher.

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Day 1 of the draft still needs to be BPA.

I would have to think though that day 1 focuses on defense.

Don't forget LB to the list of CB and edge. I'm thinking we wind up taking Smith or Edmunds at 8. I wish I felt more comfortable taking Davenport at 8 than I do. There's so much upside to him. The thought of Floyd on one side and Davenport on the other. Unreal.

I still wouldn't mind trading down to the mid-1st round and accumulating picks. We need more than one player to be impactful on day 1 out of this draft.
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Right now we have no starting CB so that is the biggest issue.

Ward or Jackson?
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there is no doubt in my mind that in a week we'll have a few cb's signed. including fuller.

pace is not going to let us go into the draft with any horrible glaring need that forces our hand in the first round.
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Your regular reminder that BPA doesn't exist!

Bar for that, edge and CB are the round 1 priorities and even then, at CB, I think we'll do more than just bring back Fuller. for me it's either edge or trade back.
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malk wrote:Your regular reminder that BPA doesn't exist!
yeah, but you said that about female orgasms, and my wife left me.
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I'm confused...you said you want an edge rusher but you mocked Edwards at 8...you do know he's not an edge guy right? Also..not that it's important, but he has shown ZERO ability to rush off the edge.

Harold Landry at 8..
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RustyTrubisky wrote:
malk wrote:Your regular reminder that BPA doesn't exist!
yeah, but you said that about female orgasms, and my wife left me.
They're just black swans.
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I’m completely sold on Marcus Davenport.
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McCblaz wrote:I'm confused...you said you want an edge rusher but you mocked Edwards at 8...you do know he's not an edge guy right? Also..not that it's important, but he has shown ZERO ability to rush off the edge.

Harold Landry at 8..
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I have to think that part of the Bears bringing Vic Fangio back was some kind of commitment to get guys he wants on defense.

Landry lacks the length Fangio has always sought in his edge guys, and the next time he wants a sub-6'0" cornerback will be the first time, let alone Ryan Pace making one a Day 1 pick. I'll be positively stunned if Landry or Ward is their first rounder.

Day 1 is a player with elite athletic traits who fits the team.

Bradley Chubb makes sense.
Quenton Nelson makes sense.
Tremaine Edmunds makes sense.
Marcus Davenport and Roquan Smith maybe make sense.

If the Bears stay around #8, I have to believe it's one of those guys.
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Apparently Prince is back, and I'd be surprised if Fuller wasn't. So looks like corner is off the list.

Nelson makes sense. Tremaine Edmunds fits the profile of Pace's first round picks.

Honestly, if Nelson isn't there and one of the 4 quarterbacks falls I could see someone wildly overpaying to trade up. Could be in a good spot. I don't think any of the quarterbacks are among the 4 best players in this draft. So we're either in a position to get a top 4 player or a haul of picks.
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It just seems like hell or high water, the Bears need to get the best pass rusher they can get in R1. CB, TE and WR not needed with the signings. Nelson at G would make some sense, but we can find a competent OG in FA in the days/weeks to come. Critically key is that there aren't any solid pass rushers in FA. I don't know if it's Edmunds, Davenport or who it should be. And maybe it's a sign we'll move back a bit and snag that 3rd rounder we're missing. But it seems obvious. Too obvious, really.
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I still see QBs going to the Browns, Giants and Jets. If Barkley, Chubb and Nelson go to the Browns, Colts and Broncos then the Bucs take Edmunds a spot before us and he goes on to dominate.

Because Bears.

It will be interesting if teams do see a top 4 QBs that are a distinct step over the others, i.e. Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Mayfield. Does that mean we can trade our #8 to one of the QB needy teams? Probably not as, given the Jets at #6, someone could go after the Colts pick.
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alexwilkins wrote:I’m completely sold on Marcus Davenport.
If we draft that guy I'm going to be totally excited. I'm just worried he could be a bust because he didn't go to a major program.

HOWEVER

If anybody can take someone from that background and with that raw ability and turn them into a star I think its Fangio. And sometimes you need to swing for the fence. Wrong analogy given the sport, but you get my point. :)
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The Marshall Plan wrote:
alexwilkins wrote:I’m completely sold on Marcus Davenport.
If we draft that guy I'm going to be totally excited. I'm just worried he could be a bust because he didn't go to a major program.

HOWEVER

If anybody can take someone from that background and with that raw ability and turn them into a star I think its Fangio. And sometimes you need to swing for the fence. Wrong analogy given the sport, but you get my point. :)
I'd say the analogy was nice, because I think he's too talented to be considered a more aptley "hail mary" pick.
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All.

Tremaine Edmunds. I don't care if he's raw, because he's a superior athletic talent. Put him on the field, let Vic get creative, and just let him find the ball.
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McCblaz wrote:I'm confused...you said you want an edge rusher but you mocked Edwards at 8...you do know he's not an edge guy right? Also..not that it's important, but he has shown ZERO ability to rush off the edge.

Harold Landry at 8..
Actually I meant Edmunds. I could have sworn I remembered reading that he could rush off the edge and that with his skill set he needs refinement.

I am not advocating for anyone because I dont feel I know enough. I was saying Edmunds because I have seen so many sites mock him to us.
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Of the prospects who might be there at 8:

1. Q Nelson
2. T Edmunds
3. Vita Vea
4. D Ward
5. R Smith
6. H Landry
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Okay -- I am officially all-in on Tremaine Edmunds. Kid is an athletic freak that I'd love to see on the field with Floyd.

Can you imagine what Fangio could make happen with the two of them?
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The more I think about it, the more I believe it has to be Tremaine Edmunds. At worst, he's an elite talent at MLB (keyword: talent). At best? A versatile EDGE rusher that not only can get after the passer but can drop into coverage and carry RBs up the sidelines with ease. That's the move if I'm calling the shots.

Nelson is a luxury that we currently do not have. I sincerely hope that young man gets picked before #8.
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Edmunds is head and shoulders above our other options for me. Even if he doesn't transition to an edge rusher, being able to dream of the next great Chicago linebacker activates my salivary glands!
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Umbali wrote:
McCblaz wrote:I'm confused...you said you want an edge rusher but you mocked Edwards at 8...you do know he's not an edge guy right? Also..not that it's important, but he has shown ZERO ability to rush off the edge.

Harold Landry at 8..
Actually I meant Edmunds. I could have sworn I remembered reading that he could rush off the edge and that with his skill set he needs refinement.

I am not advocating for anyone because I dont feel I know enough. I was saying Edmunds because I have seen so many sites mock him to us.
I’m having a really hard time trying to find any plays of Edmunds putting pressure on a qb off the edge 1 on 1 against an OT. His sacks last year came on overload blitzes and spying the QB in the middle of the field.

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To me, this is not a guy who needs refinement at edge, more so a guy who needs to learn how to be an edge rusher from scratch.
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I think he’s a middle linebacker, but some articles speculated with his size and athleticism that he could be taught to be an edge rusher.

I think if we take him he’ll primarily play in he middle. Maybe situationally move outside.
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There aren’t many guys that do everything an NFL 3-4 OLB does when they’re in college. Most guys gotta learn to read and cover, he will have to learn to rush.


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I want OL..... Or the biggest IMPACT BPA. Be it CB, LB...
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Edmunds, Vea, Davenport, Nelson. I’m good with any of those guys.
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As I see it today the first 8 to be drafted will be Darnold, Rosen, Allen, and after his pro day Mayfield. The position players are Barkley, Chub, Nelson, and Fitspatrick. If one of the QB's is still there we will be able to trade back. If they are gone which of the players wouldn't you take if they were still available?
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wab wrote:Edmunds, Vea, Davenport, Nelson. I’m good with any of those guys.
Vea is an interesting consideration. You look at him and think he's just a plugger at NT, but he can move and has experience two-gapping (if not the consistent discipline to do it every down).

I don't know if he has the length to survive at 5-tech, but he could be a freaking monster at 5T opposite Hicks. Of course he could also be Danny Shelton 2.0, who knows. But his athletic gifts have to put hi in the conversation.
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thunderspirit wrote:
wab wrote:Edmunds, Vea, Davenport, Nelson. I’m good with any of those guys.
Vea is an interesting consideration. You look at him and think he's just a plugger at NT, but he can move and has experience two-gapping (if not the consistent discipline to do it every down).

I don't know if he has the length to survive at 5-tech, but he could be a freaking monster at 5T opposite Hicks. Of course he could also be Danny Shelton 2.0, who knows. But his athletic gifts have to put hi in the conversation.
I feel like 6’5 is plenty of length.
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