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Re: Name your top 8

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:31 pm
by G08
I'm having a hard time setting this up because I'd take Barkley if he was there... but I don't see any world in which that happens, and then I have to re-think what to do with Howard/Cohen. I'm sure this will change in the future:

1. Bradley Chubb
2. Saquan Barkley
3. Tremaine Edmunds
<trade back>
4. Vita Vea
5. Marcus Davenport
6. Quenton Nelson
7. Minkah Fitzpatrick
8. Denzel Ward

Re: Name your top 8

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:28 pm
by Hiphopopotamos
It should be noted that my list wasn't a 'Top 8 Players in the Draft', it was a list of the top 8 players i expected to possibly be there at 8.

As such - Chubb, Barkley, Darnold, and Rosen weren't on my list

Re: Name your top 8

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:53 pm
by wab
Hiphopopotamos wrote:It should be noted that my list wasn't a 'Top 8 Players in the Draft', it was a list of the top 8 players i expected to possibly be there at 8.

As such - Chubb, Barkley, Darnold, and Rosen weren't on my list
Same

Re: Name your top 8

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 3:15 pm
by Middleguard
wab wrote:
Hiphopopotamos wrote:It should be noted that my list wasn't a 'Top 8 Players in the Draft', it was a list of the top 8 players i expected to possibly be there at 8.

As such - Chubb, Barkley, Darnold, and Rosen weren't on my list
Same
But would either of you take Darnold or Rosen if by some fluke they were there at 8?
This is a funny game to play. I don't see how you could ever choose a <trade up> without specifying how far up you're willing to go, or down for that matter.

Re: Name your top 8

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 3:22 pm
by VA_Mountain_Bear
If Quenton Nelson is there at 8 I think we have to take him. If he is already gone, then trading down is a good call.

Re: Name your top 8

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 4:23 pm
by Mikefive
Hiphopopotamos wrote:It should be noted that my list wasn't a 'Top 8 Players in the Draft', it was a list of the top 8 players i expected to possibly be there at 8.

As such - Chubb, Barkley, Darnold, and Rosen weren't on my list
That's not the right way to play it. There's a reason the game is name your top 8, and not 4, 5, 6 or 10. The point of the game is to eliminate assumptions and show priorities. You should list your top 8. Period. That way it diagrams what you would actually do on draft day. What if someone falls who you don't expect? If he's not on your list, you're saying you wouldn't pick them under any circumstance.

Make sense?

Re: Name your top 8

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:32 pm
by DaSuperfan
1. Bradley Chubb
2. Saquan Barkley
3. Quenton Nelson
4. Minkah Fitzpatrick
5. Tremaine Edmunds
6. Harold Landry
7. Josh Jackson
8. Denzel Ward

I fully think Landry would be in this convo had he came out last year instead of returning for his Senior season. That shouldn't knock the kid down, he's talented.

Re: Name your top 8

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:23 am
by EricTighe
1. Edmunds- Haven't liked a MLB this much since Urlacher. Freaks like this just don't come around to often.
2. Nelson-Nothing not to like about.
3. Payne- I just keep going back to watching him stand out in every game for Alabama in the last two years more than some other highly touted Alabama players.
4. Ward- The only CB i would even think about taking in round 1.

My list may change only at 2 and 3. I can't keep thinking of how nice it would be to have Hicks on one side and Payne on the other. Payne will need to be double teamed from day one. The other reason it may change is becuase I like the kid Smith from Auburn as much as I like Nelson. Smith we could get in the second round.

Re: Name your top 8

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:53 pm
by Middleguard
G08 wrote:I'm having a hard time setting this up because I'd take Barkley if he was there... but I don't see any world in which that happens, and then I have to re-think what to do with Howard/Cohen. I'm sure this will change in the future:

1. Bradley Chubb
2. Saquan Barkley
3. Tremaine Edmunds
<trade back>
4. Vita Vea
5. Marcus Davenport
6. Quenton Nelson
7. Minkah Fitzpatrick
8. Denzel Ward
Does it prevent you with any difficulty that Edmunds didn't run your fav 3-cone (or any other agility test at the combine or his pro day) and that Chubb's 3-cone was considerably worse than awe-inspiring?

Re: Name your top 8

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:56 pm
by G08
Middleguard wrote:
G08 wrote:I'm having a hard time setting this up because I'd take Barkley if he was there... but I don't see any world in which that happens, and then I have to re-think what to do with Howard/Cohen. I'm sure this will change in the future:

1. Bradley Chubb
2. Saquan Barkley
3. Tremaine Edmunds
<trade back>
4. Vita Vea
5. Marcus Davenport
6. Quenton Nelson
7. Minkah Fitzpatrick
8. Denzel Ward
Does it prevent you with any difficulty that Edmunds didn't run your fav 3-cone (or any other agility test at the combine or his pro day) and that Chubb's 3-cone was considerably worse than awe-inspiring?
Both bother me, but I would say Edmunds more just because I like putting a number next to what I see on "tape". His burst is still outstanding but if I was the Bears I'd definitely want him in for a private meeting and run him through some OLB drills and see how he runs the arc.

Re: Name your top 8

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:15 am
by Mikefive
My list:

1. Bradley Chubb
<trade down>
2. Saquon Barkley
3. Quentin Nelson
4. Tremaine Edmunds
5. Marcus Davenport
6. Denzel Ward
7. Minkah Fitzpatrick
8. Vita Vea

This is a really weird draft for us. Many of the top guys don't meet our needs. I'm just not taking a QB. So I have to balance the list between meeting our needs and pure talent. So I'm valuing trading down pretty highly and feel like trade down options will be there for us. That's my take anyway.

(Edit 3/31.)
I have the same 8 guys, but I had to move some of them around. I still think trading down makes a lot of sense, but if Chubb is there, you take him and walk away. Outside of that, you're all ears on trade up offers. I'm right on the borderline of moving Barkley above that line, but my bias for Howard (I love that guy) is holding me back. But there's no denying that Barkley is going to be a maniac and in an aggressive offense like ours should be, he could go wild. I've moved Nelson above Edmunds as his high floor compared to Edmunds' massive learning curve appeals to the conservative part of me.

Davenport and Ward have moved up my list a bit and Fitzpatrick has dropped. I was blue skying and thinking about Ward as our nickel CB and that would really screw opposing teams up. And if one of our starting outside CBs got hurt, Ward should be able to flip outside and be a better option than Cooper. Shoot, he may very well push one of our starters to nickel. He should as a top 10 pick. Fitzpatrick's strength is his versatility, but not his lockdown coverage traits and I think I value Ward's coverage ability more highly.

Re: Name your top 8

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 11:40 am
by thunderspirit
[quote="thunderspirit"]I'm really having a hard time finding eight guys I would be happy to take. Both Saquon Barkley and DJ Moore fit the athleticism profile of a top pick, but neither fills a team need well. It's a quandary. [/quote]
Still having that trouble,TBH.

1. Bradley Chubb
2. Tremaine Edmunds
3. Quenton Nelson
4. Marcus Davenport
<trade down 6-10 spots>
5. Minkah Fitzpatrick (for which I blame G08)
6.Vita Vea (for which I blame wab)
7. Leighton Vander Esch
8. Josh Sweat

Re: Name your top 8

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:27 pm
by Mr.Irrelevant
1. Bradley Chubb
2. Tremaine Edmunds - and I play him at OLB. Bigger, faster, stronger than Floyd - and only 19. This is my main target
3. Saquon Barkley - Hard to pass up a "generational player"
4. Minkah Fitzpatrick - I'm not sold on Amos
<Trade Down>
5. Marcus Davenport - I'm worried about his not dominating lesser competition
6. Vita Vea - what he has you can't teach, and Goldman gets hurt a lot
7. Quenton Nelson - lots of good guards in this draft, and now we have Heistand
8. Harold Landry - if the first seven are gone and we can't trade down.

Re: Name your top 8

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 6:09 pm
by wab
Basically Quenton Nelson 8 times.

Re: Name your top 8

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:00 am
by Bears Whiskey Nut
wab wrote:Basically Quenton Nelson 8 times.
:headbang: :toast:

Re: Name your top 8

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:15 am
by 46Blitz
Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:
wab wrote:Basically Quenton Nelson 8 times.
:headbang: :toast:
Right there with ya...

Re: Name your top 8

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 7:31 pm
by Mikefive
And if Quentin Nelson's not there?

Re: Name your top 8

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:33 pm
by Adipost
wab wrote:Basically Quenton Nelson 8 times.
Lame

Re: Name your top 8

Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 5:17 am
by 46Blitz
Mikefive wrote:And if Quentin Nelson's not there?
He will be there at 6 where the Bears move up to get him.

Re: Name your top 8

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:47 am
by G08
It's been two weeks... curious to see if this has changed for anyone? Also I'd like to throw in a caveat if I may. Assume we stay at pick 8 and the following are GONE:

Josh Allen
Sam Darnold
Josh Rosen
Saquan Barkley
Bradley Chubb

Who are your top 5 players (for the Bears) in order?

Re: Name your top 8

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:54 am
by wab
G08 wrote:It's been two weeks... curious to see if this has changed for anyone? Also I'd like to throw in a caveat if I may. Assume we stay at pick 8 and the following are GONE:

Josh Allen
Sam Darnold
Josh Rosen
Saquan Barkley
Bradley Chubb

Who are your top 5 players (for the Bears) in order?
Q. Nelson
R. Smith
V. Vea
H. Landry
T. Edmunds

Re: Name your top 8

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:32 pm
by Mikefive
G08 wrote:It's been two weeks... curious to see if this has changed for anyone? Also I'd like to throw in a caveat if I may. Assume we stay at pick 8 and the following are GONE:

Josh Allen
Sam Darnold
Josh Rosen
Saquan Barkley
Bradley Chubb

Who are your top 5 players (for the Bears) in order?
Don't you mean 3, since the Bears pick 8th?

Re: Name your top 8

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:33 pm
by G08
Mikefive wrote:
G08 wrote:It's been two weeks... curious to see if this has changed for anyone? Also I'd like to throw in a caveat if I may. Assume we stay at pick 8 and the following are GONE:

Josh Allen
Sam Darnold
Josh Rosen
Saquan Barkley
Bradley Chubb

Who are your top 5 players (for the Bears) in order?
Don't you mean 3, since the Bears pick 8th?
Nope. I want to know the 5.

Re: Name your top 8

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:44 pm
by cblaz11
Nelson
Landry
Davenport
McGlinchey
Vea
Minkah

Re: Name your top 8

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:46 pm
by cblaz11
Let's do this for the 2nd round....

Re: Name your top 8

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 5:54 pm
by G08
cblaz11 wrote:Let's do this for the 2nd round....
That's almost impossible for me because I have to know what position we address in round 1.

Re: Name your top 8

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:35 pm
by cblaz11
Nelson seems to be the common pick..go with Nelson.

Top 5 in the 2nd?

Name your top 8

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:42 pm
by crueltyabc
Nelson
Edmunds
Fitzpatrick
Payne
Vea


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Re: Name your top 8

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:40 pm
by G08
I feel like my answers are going to change depending upon which way the wind is blowing and/or if I'm on the john as I'm typing this :lol:

Edmunds (I'm liking the idea of him playing inside next to Trevathan and eventually taking over for him. You can blitz him, spy the QB with him, kick him out on TEs, etc. Very versatile kid)

Davenport (if he hits he can be Aldon Smith without the baggage)

Landry (I wish he played with more strength/aggression, but as a specialist for us I could see 6-8 sacks his rookie season)

Nelson (I'm of the opinion we can get a quality OG/OC in round 2 and allow Hiestand to do his damn job)

Fitzpatrick (like him a lot as a nickel for us, even more so as a Swiss Army Knife, but I don't see Fangio using him that way)

Re: Name your top 8

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:12 pm
by thunderspirit
G08 wrote:Nope. I want to know the 5.
In a perfect world, under the G08 scenario, I'd be hoping for calls to trade down. My top guys after Chubb and Nelson are either at positions that aren't big needs for the Bears (CB, S, WR) or I feel like they aren't quite worth where the Bears are drafting currently. Plus, I believe other teams see the same things in Baker Mayfield that I do and want to move up for him.

If I'm stuck at #8 in this hypothetical, it's:
1. Quenton Nelson
2a. Tremaine Edmunds
2b. Marcus Davenport

Basically, Nelson if he's there, or whoever is left between Davenport and Edmunds.