He was a monster.. When Pac12 teams played..He HAD to be accounted for..and still dominated..
Very excited to see him on Bears..
Rd 3 - #82 - Will Sutton, DT - Arizona State
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WOW! That's bold. If Sutton is ROY, then our D is doing something right. If our D is that right, and there's no let down in the offense, we're gonna be fun to watch.wab wrote:I'm calling it right now. Sutton is your front runner for NFL Rookie of the year.
Immensely, unwarranted, unprecedentedly bold prediction Wab...may it come true. If you are right I will bow down to your football acumen.Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:WOW! That's bold. If Sutton is ROY, then our D is doing something right. If our D is that right, and there's no let down in the offense, we're gonna be fun to watch.wab wrote:I'm calling it right now. Sutton is your front runner for NFL Rookie of the year.
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Love the pick, especially in the third round. I had a mid second round grade on him so I like the value. If you take Sutton in the second and Ferguson in the third that's one hell of a draft for DTs. I'm expecting Ferguson to be our most (and probably bulk up to 320) and Sutton to rotate in at the three.
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I think it's notable that both our DT picks are quicker than big. If the plan was to play mostly two-gap I think they would have looked at different players.
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Ego isn't exactly small. In fact, on paper, Ego is eerily similar to Marcel Dareus (in terms of measurables)
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He only started 12 games in 3 years...all last season. He's basically the defensive line version of Kyle Long.
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I certainly like the gamble by Emery. If it worked for Long, why not Ferguson. I think most of the talking heads would have liked it had it not been in the 2nd round. I wonder if Phil had an indication that someone was going to take him before our pick in round 3.wab wrote:He only started 12 games in 3 years...all last season. He's basically the defensive line version of Kyle Long.
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There seems to be a pattern with these 'unconventional' selections. I know basically nothing about college football, so I can't comment on Ferguson (other than he's apparently an athletic DT, which I was excited about), but the idea that Emery 'reached' for an inexperienced player with a ton of upside is familiar from last year's draft. If the Bear's staff identified a player they felt could be upper echelon in the NFL, I can see how they wouldn't want to risk him falling into another team's lap.Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:I certainly like the gamble by Emery. If it worked for Long, why not Ferguson. I think most of the talking heads would have liked it had it not been in the 2nd round. I wonder if Phil had an indication that someone was going to take him before our pick in round 3.wab wrote:He only started 12 games in 3 years...all last season. He's basically the defensive line version of Kyle Long.
If Ferguson works out half as well #75, I'll be grinning like an idiot.
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I can't really argue with Phil. I always say the least important thing when shouting a player is what they accomplished in college. What is important is what you think your coaches can do with the players skill set at the NFL level. That worked out with the Bears and Long and I'm not going to second guess Phil on this one either.wab wrote:He only started 12 games in 3 years...all last season. He's basically the defensive line version of Kyle Long.
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Phil stated how when teams tried to run up the gut with Ferguson in the game they couldn't do it. I like him as a run stuffing NT. I'd like to see him get up to 325 lbs if he can pack another 10 on in muscle.
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I bought one of those draft guide magazines and it was pretty bad but it did show who everyone picked last year and how they did. It was kind of shocking to me just how little last years class did. The Bears actually had one of the better drafts with two starters.
Ny point in this is, if you're only going to get one or two starters at most per draft,why try to hit singles? If Ego reaches potential he's at minimum a starter and possibly much more.
Ny point in this is, if you're only going to get one or two starters at most per draft,why try to hit singles? If Ego reaches potential he's at minimum a starter and possibly much more.
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did you guys watch emery's interview with joniak and thayer on the bear's site?wab wrote:He only started 12 games in 3 years...all last season. He's basically the defensive line version of Kyle Long.
apparently the first time phil saw kyle long was when he was down in arizona to see will sutton 2 years ago. apparently his scouts told him to check out this kyle long kid while he's there, and then sutton goes down with an ankle after his first play and emery spends the rest of the game watching kyle.
so as emery put it, sutton's basically responsible for phil drafting kyle.
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Also in that interview, Thayer talks about how he didn't see any mock drafts with Fuller going to the Bears. Umm that's just for TV right? He's not that incompetent...?
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Clearly wasn't reading the mocks herecrueltyabc wrote:Also in that interview, Thayer talks about how he didn't see any mock drafts with Fuller going to the Bears. Umm that's just for TV right? He's not that incompetent...?
Actually I know Mel had us taking Fuller as well.
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well, Sutton in the 3rd to team with Ferguson from round 2 means I am pleased that the defensive line rotation has been effectively upgraded
I think these 2 will do for the defensive line what Long and Mills did for the offensive line
thank you Phil
I think these 2 will do for the defensive line what Long and Mills did for the offensive line
thank you Phil
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Will was cut on the 11th. Did it take him an entire week to pack his bags?
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Yeah I was really....incorrect about this one.mmmc_35 wrote:Kid of interesting thread read. This was the in Phil we trust era.
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I think many of us went through this.wab wrote:Yeah I was really....incorrect about this one.mmmc_35 wrote:Kid of interesting thread read. This was the in Phil we trust era.
I remember reacting to Emery's first draft with "wow, he actually sees the same holes in the team I see, even if I wouldn't have drafted those players where he drafted them." After years of watching Jerry Angelo do exactly NOT that, it wasn't hard to get behind Emery for a while.
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i think too that emery's press conferences had alot to do with it. every time i heard him speak i was like "fuck yeah, this is my guy" and i think after years of smarmy-ass angelo press conferences i was just straight up enchanted.thunderspirit wrote:I think many of us went through this.wab wrote:Yeah I was really....incorrect about this one.mmmc_35 wrote:Kid of interesting thread read. This was the in Phil we trust era.
I remember reacting to Emery's first draft with "wow, he actually sees the same holes in the team I see, even if I wouldn't have drafted those players where he drafted them." After years of watching Jerry Angelo do exactly NOT that, it wasn't hard to get behind Emery for a while.
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Eh... Kind of. In a lot of aspects though your not. Sutton fit the scheme at that time. The next year the scheme changed, and he was a square peg. For Sutton the best situation would have been Lovies defense, and for Sutton to drop some weight. We will never see that now.wab wrote:Yeah I was really....incorrect about this one.mmmc_35 wrote:Kid of interesting thread read. This was the in Phil we trust era.
A middle 3rd round pick to contribute for 3 years in a bad fit, isn't really a bad pick.
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Well I did predict DROY for him. Soooo.mmmc_35 wrote:Eh... Kind of. In a lot of aspects though your not. Sutton fit the scheme at that time. The next year the scheme changed, and he was a square peg. For Sutton the best situation would have been Lovies defense, and for Sutton to drop some weight. We will never see that now.wab wrote:Yeah I was really....incorrect about this one.mmmc_35 wrote:Kid of interesting thread read. This was the in Phil we trust era.
A middle 3rd round pick to contribute for 3 years in a bad fit, isn't really a bad pick.
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I think it was all of the false promises of years gone by that had us so easily mesmerized by Emery ... he talked a good game and took actions we thought were the correct ones to makeRustyTrubisky wrote:i think too that emery's press conferences had alot to do with it. every time i heard him speak i was like "fuck yeah, this is my guy" and i think after years of smarmy-ass angelo press conferences i was just straight up enchanted.thunderspirit wrote:I think many of us went through this.wab wrote:Yeah I was really....incorrect about this one.mmmc_35 wrote:Kid of interesting thread read. This was the in Phil we trust era.
I remember reacting to Emery's first draft with "wow, he actually sees the same holes in the team I see, even if I wouldn't have drafted those players where he drafted them." After years of watching Jerry Angelo do exactly NOT that, it wasn't hard to get behind Emery for a while.
and then things just kind of imploded ... maybe in a different way than in years past, but ending with the same miserable result
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Yep...Emery and his "Championships, not one, but many" talk did us all in!!Boris13c wrote:I think it was all of the false promises of years gone by that had us so easily mesmerized by Emery ... he talked a good game and took actions we thought were the correct ones to makeRustyTrubisky wrote:i think too that emery's press conferences had alot to do with it. every time i heard him speak i was like "fuck yeah, this is my guy" and i think after years of smarmy-ass angelo press conferences i was just straight up enchanted.thunderspirit wrote:I think many of us went through this.wab wrote:Yeah I was really....incorrect about this one.mmmc_35 wrote:Kid of interesting thread read. This was the in Phil we trust era.
I remember reacting to Emery's first draft with "wow, he actually sees the same holes in the team I see, even if I wouldn't have drafted those players where he drafted them." After years of watching Jerry Angelo do exactly NOT that, it wasn't hard to get behind Emery for a while.
and then things just kind of imploded ... maybe in a different way than in years past, but ending with the same miserable result