QB Prospect Discussion: Deshaun Watson, Clemson

ysleblanc · Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:52 am

When I hear the discussion about Trubisky and Kizer possibly going ahead of Watson, I shake my head...didn't this guy slice and dice an Alabama defense with a bunch of guys that will play in the NFL? Is he not a 3 year starter, not a one and done guy?

I just don't see how DW is not the clear cut #1 QB.

Moriarty · Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:14 am

ysleblanc wrote:When I hear the discussion about Trubisky and Kizer possibly going ahead of Watson, I shake my head...didn't this guy slice and dice an Alabama defense with a bunch of guys that will play in the NFL? Is he not a 3 year starter, not a one and done guy?

I just don't see how DW is not the clear cut #1 QB.

Successful college QBing isn't as predictive of successful pro QBing as you think it is.

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Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:36 am

If Watson doesn't make it in the NFL, it won't be for lack of effort on his part. That's what I love about him. His drive. A lot of QB's had success in college that didn't translate to the NFL because they thought they could get by on talent and not put in the effort.

That's not Watson.

BamaBear09 · Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:06 am

ysleblanc wrote:When I hear the discussion about Trubisky and Kizer possibly going ahead of Watson, I shake my head...didn't this guy slice and dice an Alabama defense with a bunch of guys that will play in the NFL? Is he not a 3 year starter, not a one and done guy?

I just don't see how DW is not the clear cut #1 QB.

The issue with Watson is he may not have the physical tools to be an NFL level QB... the 49 MPH at the combine does not bode well... especially since it seems that since 2008 only one QB who threw the ball at the combine under 54 MPH is a starter in the NFL, Tyrod Taylor, and he was a 5th round pick who bounced around the league a couple years before he finally won a starting spot and that said, there are some who would even question how successful he has been... Now I'm not saying it is a cut and dry stat considering that there are plenty QBs who never threw at the combine and thus there is no recorded number for their velocity but based on the data we do have, 49 MPH doesn't look good. If Watson ends up in the first round, he will be the first QB with a recorded under 50 MPH to go in the first... and that's based on his college performance and his mental make up but if his arm isn't enough, it could be enough to prevent him from becoming a great QB... that's where the questions come from...

Also not sure if anyone has said this but everyone here's new favorite whipping boy also threw it 49 MPH at the combine in 2013... and we see how excited everyone here is at getting Glennon now, it's possible he's an example of how Watson will be viewed 4 years from now...

Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:12 am

But Glennon has a big arm!

thunderspirit · Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:43 pm

wab wrote:But Glennon has a big arm!

Except no, he does not.
#preachingtothechoir

G08 · Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:13 pm

Oh God damn it with the MPH bullshit.

And Glennon does have a solid arm, just watch his games.

BamaBear09 · Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:26 pm

G08 wrote:Oh God damn it with the MPH bullshit.

And Glennon does have a solid arm, just watch his games.

I'm just going off the available data and the fact is of the recorded velocity tests, almost all the guys who throw under 54 MPH haven't had success in the NFL.

http://www.pass2win.com/ball-velocity-e ... er-qb.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

G08 · Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:29 pm

I have two questions:

Were they all asked to throw max velocity? Or were they being monitored more for their release and accuracy?

Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:32 pm

Shane Carden is on that list. Remember when he was going to be the next Brett Favre?

BamaBear09 · Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:33 pm

G08 wrote:I have two questions:

Were they all asked to throw max velocity? Or were they being monitored more for their release and accuracy?

They were positioned between two radar guns and told to rip it. I'm not trying to knock Watson, someone asked why there were questions and that's part of why...

Nanky · Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:59 pm

Going back to 2008, the only one they seems to have been below 55 MPH and has success so far was Dak. It's an interesting list to look through. Definitely makes me wonder if he can be successful in the NFL or not.

G08 · Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:04 pm

BamaBear09 wrote:
G08 wrote:I have two questions:

Were they all asked to throw max velocity? Or were they being monitored more for their release and accuracy?
They were positioned between two radar guns and told to rip it. I'm not trying to knock Watson, someone asked why there were questions and that's part of why...

Is this accurate? I've never heard that they were told to stand between two guns and throw it as hard as they can.

Even still, seeing Christian Ponder above Mike Glennon makes me laugh. Brad Kaaya with a higher MPH than Glennon as well? I sincerely hope people don't put stock in this.

Adipost · Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:09 pm

BamaBear09 wrote:
G08 wrote:I have two questions:

Were they all asked to throw max velocity? Or were they being monitored more for their release and accuracy?
They were positioned between two radar guns and told to rip it. I'm not trying to knock Watson, someone asked why there were questions and that's part of why...

I thought they just took the highest number of all of their throws at the combine. I didn't know they specifically had to throw it as hard as they could.

G08 · Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:11 pm

Adipost wrote:
BamaBear09 wrote:
G08 wrote:I have two questions:

Were they all asked to throw max velocity? Or were they being monitored more for their release and accuracy?
They were positioned between two radar guns and told to rip it. I'm not trying to knock Watson, someone asked why there were questions and that's part of why...
I thought they just took the highest number of all of their throws at the combine. I didn't know they specifically had to throw it as hard as they could.

That's what I thought as well... I've never heard of what Bama is referencing. I sure as hell have never seen it and I embarrassingly have watched more Combine coverage than one man should in a lifetime

BamaBear09 · Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:15 pm

G08 wrote:
BamaBear09 wrote:
G08 wrote:I have two questions:

Were they all asked to throw max velocity? Or were they being monitored more for their release and accuracy?
They were positioned between two radar guns and told to rip it. I'm not trying to knock Watson, someone asked why there were questions and that's part of why...
Is this accurate? I've never heard that they were told to stand between two guns and throw it as hard as they can.

Even still, seeing Christian Ponder above Mike Glennon makes me laugh. Brad Kaaya with a higher MPH than Glennon as well? I sincerely hope people don't put stock in this.

I misread, this season they changed the test, they had them throw one left and gunned it and then throw right and gunned it... previous they just had them toss it.

G08 · Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:20 pm

There's been a "knock" on Watson since high school that he has a mediocre arm, but a scout went on to explain that Watson was so concerned with pinpoint accuracy that often times he would take something off his ball to make sure he could 'feather' it into the receiver.

I've seen dude rip it more than enough to not worry about his arm... he can get it 58 yards fine; I don't need more than 45-55 if I'm being honest.

BamaBear09 · Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:22 pm

G08 wrote:There's been a "knock" on Watson since high school that he has a mediocre arm, but a scout went on to explain that Watson was so concerned with pinpoint accuracy that often times he would take something off his ball to make sure he could 'feather' it into the receiver.

I've seen dude rip it more than enough to not worry about his arm... he can get it 58 yards fine; I don't need more than 45-55 if I'm being honest.

Like I said, I was surprised when that number came back because I've seen him make deep throws with ease, only brought it up because the person asked why there were questions.

G08 · Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:43 pm

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G08 · Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:59 pm

Watson thus far has visited with:

KC
CLE
JAX
SF
AZ
HOU
NYJ
BUF

Talked to us on the phone (on the phone??)

thunderspirit · Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:05 pm

G08 wrote:Watson thus far has visited with:

KC
CLE
JAX
SF
AZ
HOU
NYJ
BUF

Talked to us on the phone (on the phone??)

Mostly texting, really.

"do u like me Y/N"

That sort of thing.

Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:40 pm

I don't think Watson makes it out of the top 12. But I have no idea where he goes.

G08 · Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:47 pm

wab wrote:I don't think Watson makes it out of the top 12. But I have no idea where he goes.

I'm good with one of two things:

1. Trade down to 8, take your top rated QB, and play around with our 3 2nd round picks

2. Take Watson at 3 and smile at the first round talent that falls into our lap at #36

Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:52 pm

Having not visited with him gives me pause.

G08 · Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:56 pm

wab wrote:Having not visited with him gives me pause.

There's no reason if you really think about it... I would have to think Pace and scouts have vetted (vet?) him enough.

Not getting him up on the board with our OC, though, bothers me.

Who the fuck knows. 6 more days boys!!

mmmc_35 · Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:16 pm

They did and everyone and their mother to his pro day.

Rusty Trombagent · Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:46 pm

wab wrote:I don't think Watson makes it out of the top 12. But I have no idea where he goes.

on that note i'm kind of surprised how many people are mocking him to the jags at 4. i just dont see the new regime completely giving up on bortles just like that.

G08 · Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:13 pm

Watson has the quickest release in this draft, same exact time as Aaron Rodgers.

Ball velocity comes out about 2mph slower than Kizer/Trubisky.

Moriarty · Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:38 pm

G08 wrote:Watson has the quickest release in this draft, same exact time as Aaron Rodgers.

Ball velocity comes out about 2mph slower than Kizer/Trubisky.

Not from what I've seen:
https://walterfootball.com/combine2017QB.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

G08 · Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:02 pm

Moriarty wrote:
G08 wrote:Watson has the quickest release in this draft, same exact time as Aaron Rodgers.

Ball velocity comes out about 2mph slower than Kizer/Trubisky.
Not from what I've seen:
https://walterfootball.com/combine2017QB.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Mine come from actual games, not the Combine where players are not told to throw the ball as hard as they can.

At the Combine, you're focused on accuracy.