I don't recall Aaron Rodgers walking around flapping his gums saying he was going to take Joe Montana's intellect and pair it with Randall Cunningham's body to be the greatest QB ever... also no one knows how Rodgers would have turned out had he ended up in San Fran because Alex Smith was on some terrible teams and took quite a beating his early seasons... some might even say it stunted his growth... while Rodgers got to sit behind a hall of fame QB for three seasons and play in the same offensive system his whole career... but yeah he was drafted after Smith and turned out better, so that definitely means Kizer is gonna be good... sure... :rolf:Adipost wrote:I love it. Remember, San Fran drafted Alex Smith over Aaron Rodgers because they thought Rodgers was too arrogant/cocky.BamaBear09 wrote:
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QB Prospect Discussion: Deshone Kizer, Notre Dame
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athletes talking about things being taken out of context always reminds me of this:
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Look... I know what he's getting at, but "draft me because I know how to lose" isn't really how you want to come across.Deshone Kizer wrote:The one thing I have over the other QB's in this class...I have the experience of losing.
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True. But think how well he'd fit in here.wab wrote:Look... I know what he's getting at, but "draft me because I know how to lose" isn't really how you want to come across.Deshone Kizer wrote:The one thing I have over the other QB's in this class...I have the experience of losing.
Mikefive's theory: The only time you KNOW that a sports team player, coach or management member is being 100% honest is when they're NOT reciting "the company line".
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I gotta admit, as much as I don't like Kizer's game, he's proven to be a pretty impressive kid throughout the draft process.
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I don't give a flying fuck about how he interviews or how media savvy and/or charming he is. I don't like how he looks on the field, and just because he'd make a good analyst in retirement doesn't mean he'll be worth a shit as a QB.
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I agree. I sill don't want him anywhere near the Bears.UOK wrote:I don't give a flying fuck about how he interviews or how media savvy and/or charming he is. I don't like how he looks on the field, and just because he'd make a good analyst in retirement doesn't mean he'll be worth a shit as a QB.
Well, you'd better prepare yourself to start liking him real quick. Pre-order your Kizer jersey this weekend.UOK wrote:I don't give a flying fuck about how he interviews or how media savvy and/or charming he is. I don't like how he looks on the field, and just because he'd make a good analyst in retirement doesn't mean he'll be worth a shit as a QB.
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Showing that GIF over and over doesn't really do much man.
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Give me a football smart, articulate kid with solid physical traits and I'll find a way to get his machines cleaned up. You can always improve that if the kid is willing to put in the work.UOK wrote:I don't give a flying fuck about how he interviews or how media savvy and/or charming he is. I don't like how he looks on the field, and just because he'd make a good analyst in retirement doesn't mean he'll be worth a shit as a QB.
His tape and right now, I hate him. But these dudes aren't finished products.
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YOU ARE ALREADY DOING IT!G08 wrote:Give me a football smart, articulate kid with solid physical traits and I'll find a way to get his machines cleaned up. You can always improve that if the kid is willing to put in the work.UOK wrote:I don't give a flying fuck about how he interviews or how media savvy and/or charming he is. I don't like how he looks on the field, and just because he'd make a good analyst in retirement doesn't mean he'll be worth a shit as a QB.
His tape and right now, I hate him. But these dudes aren't finished products.
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UOK wrote:I don't give a flying fuck about how he interviews or how media savvy and/or charming he is. I don't like how he looks on the field, and just because he'd make a good analyst in retirement doesn't mean he'll be worth a shit as a QB.
and I think it is highly possible he DOES become the next Brady Quinn ... Notre Dame QB drafted with all the hopes and dreams, showed in a short period of time he could not handle the NFL game, and became a studio talking head "expert"
Kizer has a template to follow
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Adipost's dream draft:
1 - Kizer
2 - Conley
3 - Mixon
4 - Brantley
4 - Rae Carruth
1 - Kizer
2 - Conley
3 - Mixon
4 - Brantley
4 - Rae Carruth
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-1 for not drafting OJ Simpsonwab wrote:Adipost's dream draft:
1 - Kizer
2 - Conley
3 - Mixon
4 - Brantley
4 - Rae Carruth
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Yes, I've liked Conley for a while. He was in my Messiah Mock Off-season a while back.wab wrote:Adipost's dream draft:
1 - Kizer
2 - Conley
3 - Mixon
4 - Brantley
4 - Rae Carruth
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Kizer needs to go to a team with an established successful vet to sit behind and learn from ... I think the Cardinals are a good fit for him ... Arians will straighten out his mental focus
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I think Andy Reid is the best option for Kizer.
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Good QB coach is probably good for every young QB.
I would argue Arians would be better for a Kizer, and Mahomes, then Reid. Reid would do better with Webb, and Watson.
Realistically Hue Jackson is a good fit for Trubisky. He has worked with a lot of bad QBs and had some success. He fits that style and Hue has shown designed movement in his style.
I would argue Arians would be better for a Kizer, and Mahomes, then Reid. Reid would do better with Webb, and Watson.
Realistically Hue Jackson is a good fit for Trubisky. He has worked with a lot of bad QBs and had some success. He fits that style and Hue has shown designed movement in his style.
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CJ Beathard, probably.malk wrote:And for Fox?
I'll get my coat.
KFFL refugee.
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Love that Kizer brought his little sister on to the carpet. I don't want the Bears to pick him, but I wish him the best.
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The only thing that would top this draft is if the Bears took Kizer at 36.
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Well maybe they can trade up from 36 to 35 and give up the rest of their picks and then draft Kizer... you know, do it right...wab wrote:The only thing that would top this draft is if the Bears took Kizer at 36.
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I spoke to execs from several teams that drafted a quarterback in this process and heard the same thing time and again as to why Kizer, the projected first-overall pick back in September when the season began, fell out of the first round entirely. The more time some teams spent with him and the more work they did on him, it gave them pause.
"The quarterback has to be clean, especially when you are taking him that high," one exec said. "He can't be a pain in the ass. It isn't just what [Notre Dame coach Brian] Kelly said about him. That's not really it. It's that he wasn't really a team leader.
"When you brought in kids from that school and you asked them about Kizer, no one ever really got excited. It wasn't like, 'He's the man! That's my guy! You ask Clemson kids about (Deshaun) Watson, and it's like, 'That's our dog! He is our leader. We'd do anything for that guy.' You talk to kids from UNC about Trubisky and it was the same thing. But with Kizer it was like, 'He's a cool guy.' That's going to be a challenging situation for him, going to Cleveland, having to be the savior."
I spoke to execs from several teams that drafted a quarterback in this process and heard the same thing time and again as to why Kizer, the projected first-overall pick back in September when the season began, fell out of the first round entirely. The more time some teams spent with him and the more work they did on him, it gave them pause.
"The quarterback has to be clean, especially when you are taking him that high," one exec said. "He can't be a pain in the ass. It isn't just what [Notre Dame coach Brian] Kelly said about him. That's not really it. It's that he wasn't really a team leader.
"When you brought in kids from that school and you asked them about Kizer, no one ever really got excited. It wasn't like, 'He's the man! That's my guy! You ask Clemson kids about (Deshaun) Watson, and it's like, 'That's our dog! He is our leader. We'd do anything for that guy.' You talk to kids from UNC about Trubisky and it was the same thing. But with Kizer it was like, 'He's a cool guy.' That's going to be a challenging situation for him, going to Cleveland, having to be the savior."
Leading up to the 2005 NFL Draft, the San Francisco 49ers gave an edge to eventual No. 1 pick Alex Smith thanks to his humble nature and a litany of perceived flaws in Aaron Rodgers -- cockiness, arrogance and a goofy throwing motion among them.UOK wrote:http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-i ... -for-a-qb/
I spoke to execs from several teams that drafted a quarterback in this process and heard the same thing time and again as to why Kizer, the projected first-overall pick back in September when the season began, fell out of the first round entirely. The more time some teams spent with him and the more work they did on him, it gave them pause.
"The quarterback has to be clean, especially when you are taking him that high," one exec said. "He can't be a pain in the ass. It isn't just what [Notre Dame coach Brian] Kelly said about him. That's not really it. It's that he wasn't really a team leader.
"When you brought in kids from that school and you asked them about Kizer, no one ever really got excited. It wasn't like, 'He's the man! That's my guy! You ask Clemson kids about (Deshaun) Watson, and it's like, 'That's our dog! He is our leader. We'd do anything for that guy.' You talk to kids from UNC about Trubisky and it was the same thing. But with Kizer it was like, 'He's a cool guy.' That's going to be a challenging situation for him, going to Cleveland, having to be the savior."
"The other thing as Alex at the time was a good kid -- a very good person, a safe choice, always trying to please," former 49ers coach Mike Nolan said Tuesday morning on NFL HQ. "On the other hand, Aaron was very cocky, very confident, arrogant. So you can say, 'Why didn't you take him to begin with?' Because that's really what your best quarterbacks look like. They aren't very pleasing. They aren't very safe."