I like Nelson, but a top 10 guard is implausible no matter the talent. Also, there are several Guards scheduled to be a FA, who are well established, that would allow us to go in another direction at 8:
Xavier Su'a-Filo
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Believe it or not, he's looked fairly good in Jacksonville.G08 wrote:Get out.Atkins&Rebel wrote: Patrick Omameh
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With how important/highly paid guards have become, I don't think it's all that improbable.
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There's a lot of bad out there (Greg Robinson and Bobby Hart) and pre-injured guys (Justin Pugh) but maybe a few guys who might fit the Pace "ascending player" mold.G08 wrote:Are there any UFAs that we think can upgrade Bobbie Massie and allow us to use the #8 pick elsewhere?
Ulrick John, GNB (26 in May) — Colts 7th rounder in 2014. Had decent measurables back then. He's been on three different teams' practice squad.
James Hurst, BAL (26 last December) — UDFA in 2014 after breaking his leg. Pro day measurables were bad, but I thought he had potential as a senior and North Carolina.
Chris Hubbard, PIT (27 in April) — UDFA in 2013. Decent measurables. Has played all over the line with mediocre results.
Austin Pasztor, ATL (27 last November) — UDFA in 2012. Pretty good measurables. Has some starting experience with the Browns and has played some guard as well.
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Yeah... I think I throw money at Fuller, a speed WR, and a pass rusher in FA.
Taking my highest rated OL/RT in round 1, and BPA in round 2 (another WR perhaps).
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If Hiestand comes back, it wouldn't surprise me in the least to see Nelson or McGlinchey drafted at 8.
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Don't like McGlinchey all that much, I think he's overrated and looks like he's strictly a RT in the NFL.
I like him as a RT prospect but I don't see any upside for him going to LT later in his career. I think Nelson is an elite guard prospect and I see McGlinchey has an above average RT prospect. Rather take the player that will be elite at his position (even if it's guard).
I like him as a RT prospect but I don't see any upside for him going to LT later in his career. I think Nelson is an elite guard prospect and I see McGlinchey has an above average RT prospect. Rather take the player that will be elite at his position (even if it's guard).
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Now that Nagy has come in and intends to run more spread I’ve changed my preference to Christian Kirk. Speed fits the new system more than a big guy with a big wingspan who can fight CBs for the ball. We’ll still have Shaheen close in in a crowded end zone.staleystarch wrote:If the Bears go WR with pick 8 I prefer Cortand Sutton over Christian Kirk. I know there are some good sub 6 foot WR in the league, Antonio Brown just one example. Still, I prefer big WRs in the end zone. Cortland Sutton fits that bill.
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I was hoping with some of the early season talk about him, he would be a top tier LT. He seems to have a delayed reaction time compared to others. That is how he gets beat up field by speed. Technique wise he is solid until he is beat. Physically he has an ideal frame. He moves well enough. But getting out of his stance he is a split second late to often.DaSuperfan wrote:Don't like McGlinchey all that much, I think he's overrated and looks like he's strictly a RT in the NFL.
I like him as a RT prospect but I don't see any upside for him going to LT later in his career. I think Nelson is an elite guard prospect and I see McGlinchey has an above average RT prospect. Rather take the player that will be elite at his position (even if it's guard).
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Kirk is my guy in R2. But doubt he gets that far. If we trade with Buffalo and get their 21-22 picks, I'd go for Landry and Kirk back to back.staleystarch wrote:Now that Nagy has come in and intends to run more spread I’ve changed my preference to Christian Kirk. Speed fits the new system more than a big guy with a big wingspan who can fight CBs for the ball. We’ll still have Shaheen close in in a crowded end zone.staleystarch wrote:If the Bears go WR with pick 8 I prefer Cortand Sutton over Christian Kirk. I know there are some good sub 6 foot WR in the league, Antonio Brown just one example. Still, I prefer big WRs in the end zone. Cortland Sutton fits that bill.
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Matt Miller's first mock of the season is out. He did 2 rounds. Had us taking:
Connor Williams OT Texas
DJ Moore WR Maryland
Watching tape on Moore gets me excited about him, he has the speed and playmaking ability the Bears will be looking for. I'm still on the fence about Connor Williams. He looks like he's got some short arms for an OT, we'll find out more during the combine measurements. He also seems like he has a lot to prove coming off an MCL injury. I think I would have preferred an edge rusher like Landry instead.
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Connor Williams OT Texas
DJ Moore WR Maryland
Watching tape on Moore gets me excited about him, he has the speed and playmaking ability the Bears will be looking for. I'm still on the fence about Connor Williams. He looks like he's got some short arms for an OT, we'll find out more during the combine measurements. He also seems like he has a lot to prove coming off an MCL injury. I think I would have preferred an edge rusher like Landry instead.
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Atkins&Rebel wrote:
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Interesting, but it was done way back in May, using 2016 production. Adding in 2017 ought to change the story significantly.
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Dogs. I shoulda known better to check on the date.Moriarty wrote:Atkins&Rebel wrote:
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Interesting, but it was done way back in May, using 2016 production. Adding in 2017 ought to change the story significantly.
Anywho, Gallup is listed in PFF as the top WR this past season for production. It'll be interesting to see where guys are ranked after this year is added in
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Player I keep seeing people talk about, and someone i really want to see at the Senior Bowl and combine is OLB/DE Marcus Davenport of UTSA.
The latest Stick to Football podcast has him as a top 15 pick and I've seen others talk about him as having a Bruce Irvin like rise leading up to the draft.
6'7" 255 pounds and ultra productive at UTSA. By the time April rolls around he may be in the running at #8.
From Sports Illustrated a couple of weeks ago:
The latest Stick to Football podcast has him as a top 15 pick and I've seen others talk about him as having a Bruce Irvin like rise leading up to the draft.
6'7" 255 pounds and ultra productive at UTSA. By the time April rolls around he may be in the running at #8.
From Sports Illustrated a couple of weeks ago:
You might have never heard of the guy I had to keep moving up. I mentioned UTSA edge rusher Marcus Davenport—a 6' 7" freak of a receiver-turned-pass rusher—a few weeks back. I didn’t have him in my early November mock. I put him at the end of the first round in the initial list I put together this time around, and then multiple execs told me he’s not getting out of the Top 15. I wound up putting him at 14, behind only Chubb among rushers, and Davenport clearly has a chance to rise higher.
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I think Brian O'Neill is the first OT off the board. I'm upset that Kiper scooped me.
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I agree. To be honest, barring an amazing combine and private workout I could not justify picking him at eight either. Even Ridley may be a stretch there too.DaSuperfan wrote:Kirk is my guy in R2. But doubt he gets that far. If we trade with Buffalo and get their 21-22 picks, I'd go for Landry and Kirk back to back.staleystarch wrote:Now that Nagy has come in and intends to run more spread I’ve changed my preference to Christian Kirk. Speed fits the new system more than a big guy with a big wingspan who can fight CBs for the ball. We’ll still have Shaheen close in in a crowded end zone.staleystarch wrote:If the Bears go WR with pick 8 I prefer Cortand Sutton over Christian Kirk. I know there are some good sub 6 foot WR in the league, Antonio Brown just one example. Still, I prefer big WRs in the end zone. Cortland Sutton fits that bill.
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I'll be breathing into the brown paper bag again if we take Ridley at #8. I'm just not ready for another WR in the first round. Why Pace would want to emulate Matt Millen is beyond me.UOK wrote:
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I don't see it happening but I think there are pretty good odds that the Bills don't find a trade partner before our pick and there's a QB they like remaining when it comes around. I can't find a player that I like enough in our situation at #8 so that's my hope beyond hope right now.G08 wrote:Trade down with the Bills and give me Landry and Kirk.
For the record I see no way that Pace pulls the trigger on that trade.
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I just don't love anyone at 8 and I'm of the opinion that you don't draft guards or right tackles with a top 8 pick. I guess we could take a corner there.malk wrote:I don't see it happening but I think there are pretty good odds that the Bills don't find a trade partner before our pick and there's a QB they like remaining when it comes around. I can't find a player that I like enough in our situation at #8 so that's my hope beyond hope right now.G08 wrote:Trade down with the Bills and give me Landry and Kirk.
For the record I see no way that Pace pulls the trigger on that trade.
Maybe we "reach" for a pass rusher (doubt Chubb will be there) at #8 and then take the best WR in round 2? Grab a RT in round 4?
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Strictly using Kiper's board and assuming I had to hold onto the #8 pick, I would take Roquan Smith and be totally happy with that.
If I could trade with Buffalo, then its Landry and Tarvarus Jackson.
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If the Kiper draft fell that way I'd go Landry straight up at 8. Look up his 2016 tape when he was healthy. He was a dominant edge rusher.
Right now, Landry is my top guy for the Bears in R1.
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Yogabba mentioned this in another thread, but he brought up a good point about what trends we've seen in Ryan Pace's drafts.
We've no indication of what he'll do with something that's not a top 10 pick, but his three Day 1 selections have all had elite traits for their position. While I don't anticipate it in 2018, both 2016 (Leonard Floyd) and 2017 (Mitchell Trubisky) also established that he'll move up in the draft to get the guy he wants.
Day 2 has usually been reserved for linemen (Eddie Goldman and Hroniss Grasu in 2016, Cody Whitehair and Jonathan Bullard in 2017). 2018 saw him draft Adam Shaheen, another elite traits guy; whether that's a sign of Day 2 things to come or not remains to be seen.
Day 3 appears to be Pace's day for defensive backs: Adrian Amos (2016), Deon Bush/Deiondre' Hall/DeAndre Houston-Carson (2017), and Eddie Jackson (2018). This is clearly a trend in my mind. An important secondary trend to note here is that each of his defensive back draftees has measured 6'0" or taller. Likewise, Day 3 is also when he takes running backs: Jeremy Langford (2015), Jordan Howard (2016), and Tarik Cohen (2017). There's no apparent overriding commonality there, although each did have a broad jump measurement of 118 inches (9'10"), which is one of the tests used to measure explosiveness. That's worth watching. I think it's a safe conclusion to expect the Bears to add a DB and RB in rounds 4-7.
Pace's late selections (Tayo Fabuluje in 2015, Daniel Braverman in 2016, and probably Jordan Morgan in 2017) appear to be trying to find lightning in a bottle. Fabuluje had elite size, if not much else. Braverman had a really good 3-cone time and displayed excellent hands in college, though athletically he showed little promise otherwise. And Morgan, from a rather shallow draft, was a Division II player whom they believe has promise — I don't share their optimism, but I'll be glad to eat crow about that if he succeeds.
FWIW, when evaluating his draft record, I've said before that I consider most drafts to be between 150-175 players deep, give or take, and that anything beyond that point is a lottery ticket. So my evaluations are scored taking that into account.
2015: 5 selections through 5 rounds, .333 success rate (2/5) — Goldman, Amos
2016: 7 selections through 5 rounds, .571 success rate (4/7) — Floyd, Whitehair, Kwiatkoski, Howard; jury out on Bullard and Hall
2017: 5 selections through 5 rounds, .600 success rate (3/5) — Trubisky, Jackson, Cohen; jury still out on Shaheen and Morgan
We've no indication of what he'll do with something that's not a top 10 pick, but his three Day 1 selections have all had elite traits for their position. While I don't anticipate it in 2018, both 2016 (Leonard Floyd) and 2017 (Mitchell Trubisky) also established that he'll move up in the draft to get the guy he wants.
Day 2 has usually been reserved for linemen (Eddie Goldman and Hroniss Grasu in 2016, Cody Whitehair and Jonathan Bullard in 2017). 2018 saw him draft Adam Shaheen, another elite traits guy; whether that's a sign of Day 2 things to come or not remains to be seen.
Day 3 appears to be Pace's day for defensive backs: Adrian Amos (2016), Deon Bush/Deiondre' Hall/DeAndre Houston-Carson (2017), and Eddie Jackson (2018). This is clearly a trend in my mind. An important secondary trend to note here is that each of his defensive back draftees has measured 6'0" or taller. Likewise, Day 3 is also when he takes running backs: Jeremy Langford (2015), Jordan Howard (2016), and Tarik Cohen (2017). There's no apparent overriding commonality there, although each did have a broad jump measurement of 118 inches (9'10"), which is one of the tests used to measure explosiveness. That's worth watching. I think it's a safe conclusion to expect the Bears to add a DB and RB in rounds 4-7.
Pace's late selections (Tayo Fabuluje in 2015, Daniel Braverman in 2016, and probably Jordan Morgan in 2017) appear to be trying to find lightning in a bottle. Fabuluje had elite size, if not much else. Braverman had a really good 3-cone time and displayed excellent hands in college, though athletically he showed little promise otherwise. And Morgan, from a rather shallow draft, was a Division II player whom they believe has promise — I don't share their optimism, but I'll be glad to eat crow about that if he succeeds.
FWIW, when evaluating his draft record, I've said before that I consider most drafts to be between 150-175 players deep, give or take, and that anything beyond that point is a lottery ticket. So my evaluations are scored taking that into account.
2015: 5 selections through 5 rounds, .333 success rate (2/5) — Goldman, Amos
2016: 7 selections through 5 rounds, .571 success rate (4/7) — Floyd, Whitehair, Kwiatkoski, Howard; jury out on Bullard and Hall
2017: 5 selections through 5 rounds, .600 success rate (3/5) — Trubisky, Jackson, Cohen; jury still out on Shaheen and Morgan
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Looks like you can cross the top WRs off the list in R1-2 now with the signing of ARob and maybe Taylor Gabriel?
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Yeah, pretty much think their aggressiveness in FA shows that they are not overwhelmed over any of the prospects at 8 in the WR department.Mikefive wrote:Looks like you can cross the top WRs off the list in R1-2 now with the signing of ARob and maybe Taylor Gabriel?
The more this FA period shakes out, barring any trades for players or draft picks I think we can narrow down to 3 positions on day one. OL, LB, and CB.
Feel that we will be getting a OL player in the first furthering their commitment to set Trubisky up for success.
After securing OL, they will have addressed every position offensively of need. They will then add to position of need on defense. Think this will be BPA out of CB or LB with second.