EDGE rusher talk

[mmmc_35]

The more I think about it, the more I believe it has to be Tremaine Edmunds. At worst, he's an elite talent at MLB (keyword: talent). At best? A versatile EDGE rusher that not only can get after the passer but can drop into coverage and carry RBs up the sidelines with ease. That's the move if I'm calling the shots.

I completely agree. Ever sense Wab mentioned him, he has been the guy I think fits.

[G08]

The more I think about it, the more I believe it has to be Tremaine Edmunds. At worst, he's an elite talent at MLB (keyword: talent). At best? A versatile EDGE rusher that not only can get after the passer but can drop into coverage and carry RBs up the sidelines with ease. That's the move if I'm calling the shots.

I completely agree. Ever sense Wab mentioned him, he has been the guy I think fits.

Yup, and just like the WRs adding him pushes everyone down a level.

Floyd - Starter
Acho - Starter in base
Edmunds - Pass rusher in sub packages
Lynch - depth

[IotaNet]

The more I think about it, the more I believe it has to be Tremaine Edmunds. At worst, he's an elite talent at MLB (keyword: talent). At best? A versatile EDGE rusher that not only can get after the passer but can drop into coverage and carry RBs up the sidelines with ease. That's the move if I'm calling the shots.

I completely agree. Ever sense Wab mentioned him, he has been the guy I think fits.

Yup, and just like the WRs adding him pushes everyone down a level.

Floyd - Starter
Acho - Starter in base
Edmunds - Pass rusher in sub packages
Lynch - depth

sign me up. I see this kid as a weapon for Fangio to train and deploy in fiendish ways.

Me want.

[Hematite]

I'm kinda intriqued by Ja'von Rolland Jones in the 6th round if he is still available. He's not gonna be a guy that can be effective every down, but in sub packages when its time to get the QB, he may have value!

He played for a small school but was a sack machine. Gem or shiny rock?

[crueltyabc]

Just watched Hubbard vs Iowa and was not impressed. He uses his hands to keep blockers off his body but it's not exactly a great bull rush, and his speed around the edge is not impressive. He looked OK for the first quarter then his team started getting spanked and he couldn't make a play. Shows good effort I guess?

I hate this group.

[G08]

I hate this group.

Every single one of them has flaws and it's annoying. More and more I'm thinking at 8 you have to go EDGE. It will suck if Edmunds is gone, but if we have to reach for Landry then so freaking be it. Dude has a ton of flaws, but so did Floyd and Pace traded up for that dude.

[crueltyabc]

I was thinking about this when posting in the Top 8 thread, and I kinda think the opposite of your reasoning. If Chubb (obv) and Edmunds are gone, I think we fill another need with a high floor player at 8 (Nelson, Smith) and kick the can on OLB. We can draft a situational rusher guy later (4th) and accept that Acho is starting in 2018. Maybe Lynch or the 4th rounder rookie can add 5-6 sacks and Floyd gets 8. Or we trade down and get two of these questionable EDGE guys and hope that one works out. We need two starters from this draft and can't afford to whiff on #8.

EDIT: I'm assuming that only EDGE trash will be left in the second and we'll end up drafting OL or WR

[Mikefive]

The more I think about it, the more I believe it has to be Tremaine Edmunds. At worst, he's an elite talent at MLB (keyword: talent). At best? A versatile EDGE rusher that not only can get after the passer but can drop into coverage and carry RBs up the sidelines with ease. That's the move if I'm calling the shots.

I completely agree. Ever sense Wab mentioned him, he has been the guy I think fits.

Yup, and just like the WRs adding him pushes everyone down a level.

Floyd - Starter
Acho - Starter in base
Edmunds - Pass rusher in sub packages
Lynch - depth

sign me up. I see this kid as a weapon for Fangio to train and deploy in fiendish ways.

Me want.

That's how I see it as well. Even if we play him inside in some packages, Fangio has made superstars out of inside guys who can go get the QB. He works because of Fangio's creativity.

[IotaNet]

The more I think about it, the more I believe it has to be Tremaine Edmunds. At worst, he's an elite talent at MLB (keyword: talent). At best? A versatile EDGE rusher that not only can get after the passer but can drop into coverage and carry RBs up the sidelines with ease. That's the move if I'm calling the shots.

I completely agree. Ever sense Wab mentioned him, he has been the guy I think fits.

Yup, and just like the WRs adding him pushes everyone down a level.

Floyd - Starter
Acho - Starter in base
Edmunds - Pass rusher in sub packages
Lynch - depth

sign me up. I see this kid as a weapon for Fangio to train and deploy in fiendish ways.

Me want.

That's how I see it as well ... He works because of Fangio's creativity.

Exactly.

That's the same reason we don't have to automatically choose Quenton Nelson at 8. Harry Hiestand is an OL guru and as long as we draft someone with reasonable skill/talent (Could Mike McGlinchey make it to #39?), Harry will absolutely coach him up.

[wab]

If Edmunds and Nelson are gone and the Bears aren’t comfortable with Davenport...I’m good with Vea or Bryan at 8. Bryan may be a stretch but I think he goes top 12 by the time it’s all said and done. Hard to ignore the JJ Watt comparisons.

[Atkins&Rebel]

Who plays DE vs NT if we take Vea? Does Vea man the NT and Goldman kicks out to DE, or vice versa?

Not against the idea, I like Vea, but not if our coaches think he and Goldman play the same position.

[wab]

Who plays DE vs NT if we take Vea? Does Vea man the NT and Goldman kicks out to DE, or vice versa?

Not against the idea, I like Vea, but not if our coaches think he and Goldman play the same position.

Goldman probably kicks out to end.

[Adipost]

Who plays DE vs NT if we take Vea? Does Vea man the NT and Goldman kicks out to DE, or vice versa?

Not against the idea, I like Vea, but not if our coaches think he and Goldman play the same position.

Goldman probably kicks out to end.

The problem with 3 elite DE’s is that one usually has to sit out when the Bears are in sub packages.

[Hematite]

Who plays DE vs NT if we take Vea? Does Vea man the NT and Goldman kicks out to DE, or vice versa?

Not against the idea, I like Vea, but not if our coaches think he and Goldman play the same position.

Goldman probably kicks out to end.

The problem with 3 elite DE’s is that one usually has to sit out when the Bears are in sub packages.

Drafting Saquon Barkley if he falls to 8 is bad, because of Howard.
Drafting Vea at 8, even though we have Goldman, is somehow a better choice?

I'm confused.

[wab]

Who plays DE vs NT if we take Vea? Does Vea man the NT and Goldman kicks out to DE, or vice versa?

Not against the idea, I like Vea, but not if our coaches think he and Goldman play the same position.

Goldman probably kicks out to end.

The problem with 3 elite DE’s is that one usually has to sit out when the Bears are in sub packages.

Drafting Saquon Barkley if he falls to 8 is bad, because of Howard.
Drafting Vea at 8, even though we have Goldman, is somehow a better choice?

I'm confused.

Because the defensive line and the running back position are about as apples and oranges as you can get.

[Hematite]

I'm kinda intriqued by Ja'von Rolland Jones in the 6th round if he is still available. He's not gonna be a guy that can be effective every down, but in sub packages when its time to get the QB, he may have value!

He played for a small school but was a sack machine. Gem or shiny rock?

Now I know why I was ignored Wab!!

[Mikefive]

Who plays DE vs NT if we take Vea? Does Vea man the NT and Goldman kicks out to DE, or vice versa?

Not against the idea, I like Vea, but not if our coaches think he and Goldman play the same position.

Goldman probably kicks out to end.

The problem with 3 elite DE’s is that one usually has to sit out when the Bears are in sub packages.

Drafting Saquon Barkley if he falls to 8 is bad, because of Howard.
Drafting Vea at 8, even though we have Goldman, is somehow a better choice?

I'm confused.

You could play Hicks, Goldman and Vea at the 3 DE spots and probably be pretty darned successful. Probably the best run defense in the league.

With 2 very good RBs, there's only one ball and the other isn't a blocking specialist.

[G08]

If Edmunds and Nelson are gone and the Bears aren’t comfortable with Davenport...I’m good with Vea or Bryan at 8. Bryan may be a stretch but I think he goes top 12 by the time it’s all said and done. Hard to ignore the JJ Watt comparisons.

Davenport makes sense if Pace and Friends feel comfortable with developing him. Kid just feels so raw to me.

[Adipost]

If Edmunds and Nelson are gone and the Bears aren’t comfortable with Davenport...I’m good with Vea or Bryan at 8. Bryan may be a stretch but I think he goes top 12 by the time it’s all said and done. Hard to ignore the JJ Watt comparisons.

Davenport makes sense if Pace and Friends feel comfortable with developing him. Kid just feels so raw to me.

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/3/20/17089168/2018-nfl-draft-marcus-davenport-breakdown-scouting-report

[Rusty Trombagent]

davenport is raw, but edmunds has potential. gotcha.

[G08]

davenport is raw, but edmunds has potential. gotcha.

Absolutely, you can do a ton more with Edmunds on the defensive side of the ball than you can Davenport. The difference between the two is that Edmunds has shown it against better competition while Davenport was slapping Rice and North Texas around (more than half his sacks in those two games last season).

I see the talent, for sure, but I like the idea of Edmunds playing ILB and OLB more than I like the idea of Davenport playing OLB and 3T. That's just me.

[UOK]

I'm looking forward to the podcast on Sunday if only to know Chris and I will be greatly triggering G08 by shitting on Edmunds, as both of us would hate the pick.

[G08]

I'm looking forward to the podcast on Sunday if only to know Chris and I will be greatly triggering G08 by shitting on Edmunds, as both of us would hate the pick.

That's honestly 75% of the fun of draft season for me. Everyone has their opinions and they're passionate about it.

Just have good reasons!

[cblaz11]

Davenport and Edmunds are both raw.

Davenport has shown the ability to be an edge rusher though..

[UOK]

I'm looking forward to the podcast on Sunday if only to know Chris and I will be greatly triggering G08 by shitting on Edmunds, as both of us would hate the pick.

That's honestly 75% of the fun of draft season for me. Everyone has their opinions and they're passionate about it.

Just have good reasons!

• More of an athlete than a football talent; I don't want to bet the 8th pick on athletic gifts only to find out the guy can't interpret or execute courtesy of poor football instincts.
• Needs countless reps to improve footwork and tackling form. One of those things he still has to prove he can learn, but...
• ...I don't know how I feel about drafting a kid this young. It'd be one thing if you had a Freeman or veteran starter in place that would let Edmunds learn from, but Edmunds would be expected to start and immediately contribute. That's a lot of pressure to put on a 20 year old in a huge market.
• The boom or bust gamble makes me worried. I would respect the pick for the boldness of it, but if you take him over a generational guard talent like Nelson, you're fucking up. Maybe.
• I'd be much, much happier with Edmunds being the pick on the condition that the Bears acquired him after trading down. At 8? It would obviously depend on the board, but I'd consider my other options heavily before taking a chance.

[cblaz11]

My biggest concern with Edmunds is the fact that he's consistently out of position lol

[cblaz11]

But man is he big. How tall is he? 6-5? Does that mean we should also start him at shooting guard for the Bulls? I know he's shown zero ability to hit a jumper...or dribble, but we're drafting him as an edge rusher so why stop there?

[Hematite]

But man is he big. How tall is he? 6-5? Does that mean we should also start him at shooting guard for the Bulls? I know he's shown zero ability to hit a jumper...or dribble, but we're drafting him as an edge rusher so why stop there?

Hmmmm. interesting thought exercise. But I agree. The fact that he hasn't shown on tape that he is capable of being a full time edge rusher scares me a bit. All of the good GM's/scouts always talk about the tape, always go back to the tape.

It's a risky pick, but if he worked out and became an Anthony Barr type player, it would be so worth the risk. Glady, I don't have to figure that one out, Pace and Co. I'm sure are doing their best to do just that.

Personally, I'd love Edmunds in a trade down scenario (if he's still available).

[wab]

I was really hot on Edmunds early on, and I still really like him, but the Bears already have that same guy on the roster. Give me Nelson and I'll be happy. If he's gone, give me Vita Vea or Taven Bryan and I'll be happy.

[G08]

My biggest concern with Edmunds is the fact that he's consistently out of position lol

108 tackles this season, 14 for a loss; 94 tackles last season, 16.5 for a loss.... but consistently out of position.