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Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:21 pm
by Funkster
G08 wrote:
Funkster wrote:He started playing football in 7th grade. Regardless, the point I'm making is he's had access to improve his mechanics for YEARS, a month isn't going to change much.
Mahomes attended Whitehouse High School where he played both sports but didn't start at quarterback for Whitehouse until midway through his junior season.

There's clips of him on twitter throwing the ball, dropping back from center. Looks good.
Not starting until junior year is pretty typical for a 4A-5A athlete. Doesn't mean he wasn't playing and surely doesn't mean he wasn't working on his skill. I've know coaches that play the quarters game and will split players between jv/varsity just because of player seniority.

Can you share the clip of him under center?

Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:23 pm
by G08
It's on the twitters, I'll take a looksie in a bit

Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:28 pm
by G08
Appearing as a guest on the Setting the Edge podcast this week, Rapoport stated that Texas Tech quarterback Patrick Mahomes might not make it to Round 2. He added that some NFL scouts see Mahomes as the top quarterback in this class. Mahomes has tremendous arm strength and athleticism, but he has to win in interviews and whiteboard sessions. That said, there is nothing keeping him from being the belle of the ball for a team in Round 1.

Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:46 pm
by BamaBear09
Funkster wrote:
G08 wrote:
Funkster wrote:He started playing football in 7th grade. Regardless, the point I'm making is he's had access to improve his mechanics for YEARS, a month isn't going to change much.
Mahomes attended Whitehouse High School where he played both sports but didn't start at quarterback for Whitehouse until midway through his junior season.

There's clips of him on twitter throwing the ball, dropping back from center. Looks good.
Not starting until junior year is pretty typical for a 4A-5A athlete. Doesn't mean he wasn't playing and surely doesn't mean he wasn't working on his skill. I've know coaches that play the quarters game and will split players between jv/varsity just because of player seniority.

Can you share the clip of him under center?
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Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:49 pm
by G08
I didn't like his throwing motion on the last one, want that cleaner and the ball held up a tick higher.

Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:39 pm
by staleystarch
G08 wrote:This is a very, very early "MY GUY!" from me :arrow: it's telling of how poorly I'm expecting this season to go :(

That being said, here's some very quick thoughts of mine on the kid:

I'm simply enamored by his athleticism, arm strength, size, and really his character: people have raved about it. His father played professional baseball and the kid spent a lot of his youth around professional athletes and it seems like it has rubbed off on him.

6'3" 230 lbs and he has a RIFLE for an arm (no joke, he can throw it 65 yards from his knees). He's this odd mix of Favre/Manziel/Rodgers when you look at his elite traits, but he still needs at least one year on the bench refining his mechanics (I don't like where he holds the ball nor how he stands in the pocket, needs to clean up his footwork as well) but the talent is there. He'll make some throws that will leave your jaw on the floor (across his body, but accurate and with zip) and other 'simple' throws that he will flat-out miss (read: mechanics).

I'm sure he'll move up the boards as the season progresses (of course, assuming his shoulder is healthy) but I'd gladly spend a 2nd or 3rd on the kid if he finishes out this season as I am expecting. He's not Russell Wilson, he's not Johnny Manziel, he's somewhere in the middle with a better arm than either.

Keep an eye on this kid... just turned 21 and is currently a Junior.
I really like Mahomes, but I think he needs to ride the bench for at least a year in the pros. If the Bears can do that I want him.

Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:36 pm
by Atkins&Rebel
Funkster wrote:Most likely Mahomes has played football all his life. He's had access to trainers, coaches and special position coaches. Do you think a month is really going to "change" his mechanics? You could see a tweak here or there for the underwear Olympic but as soon as the helmet and pads go on, those tweaks will go out the window. This kid can really spin the ball has good size and wants to throw from the pocket first and foremost but also has the ablitly to use his legs.

It's very surprising in his 2 years as the starter, with his sloppy lazy mechanics, he only threw 25 interceptions(41 TD's) in 1,164 attempts. Not to mention his 741 rushing yards and 22 rushing TD's. This kid once accounted for 819 yards in a single game. I'm definitely going to pay more attention to Mr. Patrick Mahomes II.
He's only ever had to learn offensive systems. I doubt anyone in HS or college ever cared that he looked bad as long as he could sling the rock. He wasn't ever under a QB guru who emphasized footwork in the west coast style.

I've taken guys off the street and coached them to play QB. I'm sure a real football coach can teach a guy who's played in a high level structure can teach the kid to take a snap, drop back 3-5-7 yards and throw the ball as the WR makes his cut. His throwing mechanics will never be perfect, but the footwork is what NFL coaches will want to see synced with the WR's route tree. It's not like Mahomes looks like Leftwich when he throws...his release is actually pretty decent...but that arm just looks off some times. And yes, that can be dones easily in a month...good thing he's probably already been working on it these last few weeks!

Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 4:55 pm
by BamaBear09
This write up right here is exactly how I feel about Mahomes

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Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 5:08 pm
by Rusty Trombagent
BamaBear09 wrote:This write up right here is exactly how I feel about Mahomes

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now what am i supposed to do with this erection?
i'll probably just go watch some brad kaaya cutups to make it go away. easier than bothering my wife.

Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 6:00 pm
by UOK
This throw here gave me 8/10 wood.

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Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 8:56 pm
by mmmc_35
RustyTrombone wrote:
BamaBear09 wrote:This write up right here is exactly how I feel about Mahomes

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now what am i supposed to do with this erection?
i'll probably just go watch some brad kaaya cutups to make it go away. easier than bothering my wife.
Rusty, your posts are great.

Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:22 am
by BamaBear09
Nice podcast about Mahomes and his pre-draft workout/prep

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Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:19 pm
by BamaBear09
Another nice breakdown by two draftniks....

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Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:30 pm
by G08
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Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:24 am
by malk
What is the defensive back doing on the second throw?!

Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:30 am
by Boris13c
malk wrote:What is the defensive back doing on the second throw?!

looks like he is running along and getting beat

Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:30 am
by G08
malk wrote:What is the defensive back doing on the second throw?!
Probably not thinking he was going to rip it 55+ yards after running around, Favre did that to us once upon a time back in the 90s.

Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:33 am
by Boris13c
G08 wrote:
malk wrote:What is the defensive back doing on the second throw?!
Probably not thinking he was going to rip it 55+ yards after running around, Favre did that to us once upon a time back in the 90s.

Burnt Fart did that to the Bears more than once ... the most egregious one I can recall was a Monday Night game where he was running around in his own endzone before playing bomber pilot on a 90+ yard TD pass (about 50 yards of that in the air)

Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:37 am
by G08
Boris13c wrote:
G08 wrote:
malk wrote:What is the defensive back doing on the second throw?!
Probably not thinking he was going to rip it 55+ yards after running around, Favre did that to us once upon a time back in the 90s.

Burnt Fart did that to the Bears more than once ... the most egregious one I can recall was a Monday Night game where he was running around in his own endzone before playing bomber pilot on a 90+ yard TD pass (about 50 yards of that in the air)
That'st the one that immediately came to mind. Our corner was like "I didn't think he could throw it that far". I want to say it was Jeremy Lincoln.

Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:41 am
by Boris13c
G08 wrote:
Boris13c wrote:
G08 wrote:
malk wrote:What is the defensive back doing on the second throw?!
Probably not thinking he was going to rip it 55+ yards after running around, Favre did that to us once upon a time back in the 90s.

Burnt Fart did that to the Bears more than once ... the most egregious one I can recall was a Monday Night game where he was running around in his own endzone before playing bomber pilot on a 90+ yard TD pass (about 50 yards of that in the air)
That'st the one that immediately came to mind. Our corner was like "I didn't think he could throw it that far". I want to say it was Jeremy Lincoln.
Donnell Woolford was the victim

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3rd and 10 and the Bears give up a 99 yard TD .... that's some vintage suck right there

Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:55 am
by G08
I was thinking of a different one... he went up the left sideline and I recall they were moving left to right.

Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:12 pm
by Boris13c
G08 wrote:I was thinking of a different one... he went up the left sideline and I recall they were moving left to right.

that's the unfortunate history, that there are so many of these types of plays he made against the Bears we could come up with multiple examples

Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 4:48 pm
by Adipost
Not to rain on the parade of all of these HOF predictione, but here is the list of QB's coming out of the air raid offense:

Tim Couch
Brandon Weeden
Johnny Manziel
Kevin Kolb
Geno Smith
John Beck
Nick Foles
Josh Heupel
Kliff Kingsbury
B.J. Symons
Case Keenum
Dominique Davis
Graham Harrell
Jared Lorenzen
Jason White
Max Hall
Nate Hybl
Sonny Cumbie
Taylor Potts

Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:05 pm
by mmmc_35
Forgot

Aaron Rodgers
Drew Brees
Russell Wilson (NC State)
Philip Rivers
Big Ben

Other Spread Systems

Marcus Marriota
Alex Smith
Can Newton

Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:32 pm
by Adipost
mmmc_35 wrote:Forgot

Aaron Rodgers
Drew Brees
Russell Wilson (NC State)
Philip Rivers
Big Ben

Other Spread Systems

Marcus Marriota
Alex Smith
Can Newton
I mean the specific Texas Tech air raid.

Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:40 pm
by mmmc_35
So specifically Kliff and Lynch players. Because your list isn't compiled of only Tech guys.

Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:56 pm
by Adipost
mmmc_35 wrote:So specifically Kliff and Lynch players. Because your list isn't compiled of only Tech guys.
Pure air raid QB's

QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:34 pm
by BamaBear09
Adipost wrote:Not to rain on the parade of all of these HOF predictione, but here is the list of QB's coming out of the air raid offense:

Tim Couch
Brandon Weeden
Johnny Manziel
Kevin Kolb
Geno Smith
John Beck
Nick Foles
Josh Heupel
Kliff Kingsbury
B.J. Symons
Case Keenum
Dominique Davis
Graham Harrell
Jared Lorenzen
Jason White
Max Hall
Nate Hybl
Sonny Cumbie
Taylor Potts
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz should I break out the list of QBs that failed from pro style systems? I'm sure my list would be longer... hey I could also put out a list of QBs who failed that were 6'4" or maybe I could put out a list of QBs with five letter last names that have failed in the NFL since we're making lists of failed QBs that don't matter because those guys aren't Mahomes... point to the one on the list that had Mahomes's arm talent...

Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:40 pm
by mmmc_35
1st round QBs have an under 50% success rate. Technically picking a QB in the first is a losing proposition.

Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:17 pm
by Rusty Trombagent
or, how about this list:

jimmy clausen
brady quinn
rick mirer